Whatever your thoughts on climate change, this is BS & would cost all of us.

Davec433

@Begger or we could just move to a one child policy like China where you need a permit to have a kid and forced sterilization for the lame right?

Darby_Crenshaw

nazis were a minority. No requirement for being a nazi party member in either wehrmacht oder luftwaffe. Oder kriegsmarine auch. 

it only took a small minority of zealots to highjack the political process and, under the guise of returning to an imagined former glory, plunge a country into xenophobia and militarism.  I Wonder if there is a lesson there

lousubcap

@Davec433 - I recall recently reading that China is going away from the one child policy.  Many demographic issues and beyond but...I didn't read for consumption.  And it's Friday so who knows where this will go...

Davec433

lousubcap said:

@Davec433 - I recall recently reading that China is going away from the one child policy.  Many demographic issues and beyond but...I didn't read for consumption.  And it's Friday so who knows where this will go...

You are right they have changed it to one couple 2 kids.

henapple

Nice of them 

theyolksonyou

I have a self imposed ban on more than 2 kids. 

nolaegghead

Anyone see the movie "Idiocracy"?

henapple

Was that the Democrat debate? 

Darby_Crenshaw

Lech mir auf den arsch

(getting a head start for when we have to speak Deutsch)

"koennen sie mir sagen wie ich zur den Nazi Rally, beim Trump Tuerm, komme?"

henapple

Better practice arabic

Fred19Flintstone

Darby_Crenshaw said:

nazis were a minority. No requirement for being a nazi party member in either wehrmacht oder luftwaffe. Oder kriegsmarine auch. 

it only took a small minority of zealots to highjack the political process and, under the guise of returning to an imagined former glory, plunge a country into xenophobia and militarism.  I Wonder if there is a lesson there

I didn't know that.  I always figured the German military in those days required its members to be a nazi.  

Darby_Crenshaw

No worries

history isn't important anyway!

Legume

theyolksonyou said:

I have a self imposed ban on more than 2 kids. 

So did I, until the second one was twins.

theyolksonyou

Legume said:

theyolksonyou said:

I have a self imposed ban on more than 2 kids. 

So did I, until the second one was twins.

I imposed 9 yrs ago so I'm good. 

Zmokin

I believe in global warming, our planet has been warming since the end of the last ice age.  Based on the historical evidence, what I don't believe in is that global warming is a bad thing.  Scientific analysis shows that our planet has been much warmer in the past than it is today.  That data also shows that life flourishes when the planet is warmer and life diminishes when the planet cools.  Now maybe we wimpy humans that think the temp should be 72 degrees all the time might find global warming uncomfortable, but I do not believe that it means the end of life on this planet.  Now maybe a couple of billion years from now when the sun starts turning into a red giant, then global warming will become death to all life as we get cooked to a crisp, but that is a little too far in the future for me to get all worked up about.

Sardonicus

theyolksonyou said:

Legume said:

theyolksonyou said:

I have a self imposed ban on more than 2 kids. 

So did I, until the second one was twins.

I imposed 9 yrs ago so I'm good. 

I remember when I "imposed".  It was a coupla days before I could walk right.
  

Darby_Crenshaw

Aber, Ich glaube das BGE ist ein Gesellschaft mit beschraentke Haftung!

Ja oder Nicht? 

Darby_Crenshaw

Btw. "Lame"?

don't be so hard on yourself bro

GATraveller

Legume said:

theyolksonyou said:

I have a self imposed ban on more than 2 kids. 

So did I, until the second one was twins.

You and me both brother! 

SkySaw

As some others have mentioned, science should have nothing to do with politics. The two areas become confused in ways that research is beginning to understand. For example, research shows that people who are high in authoritarianism (ie., are right-wing) are more likely to seek information that confirms their existing beliefs and less likely to pursue balanced information (http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1467-9221.2005.00416.x/abstract). Science requires an open mind, because inconvenient findings can lead to a complete change in personal beliefs, understanding, and behaviours.

For those who posted that the science has not PROVEN global warming, or that they don’t believe the science, or that the field of climate research has been corrupted by a grand conspiracy, I think you might enjoy spending a bit of time learning about what science really is, and its purpose. I don’t mean that in a patronizing way. It's just that it is impossible to have an informed opinion about scientific findings if you don’t know anything about science. 

GATraveller

http://www.climatedepot.com/2015/11/29/skeptical-climate-documentary-set-to-rock-un-climate-summit-film-to-have-red-carpet-premiere-in-paris/

henapple

bgebrent

Science is really simple to understand if you choose to read and understand science.  It also splains what we know as of today.  Either edumacate yourself or ignore science.

Mikee

Burning fossil fuels does not contribute to global warming; nor does it heat your home. It just a myth.

bgebrent

Well, if you believe that therm for therm, you ignore logic.  If you believe volcanic activity blows away human input, you have an argument.

Steve753

If you want to see what runaway carbon can do, look no further than the planet Venus.

nolaegghead

Fart noises?

Fred19Flintstone

Steve753 said:

If you want to see what runaway carbon can do, look no further than the planet Venus.

Who says we have runaway carbon?  Plants eat carbon dioxide here on Earth.  Are there plants on Venus?  No, there are none.  The Earth continually cleans itself.  Look at the Horizon oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico.  That was deemed catastrophic and will ruin the ecology of the gulf along with the fishery.  That caused some problems, but barely a year later, everything is back to normal.

We have pretty good regulation already. In the US, the air is pretty clean and so is the water.  As long as we stick to the existing laws, there's no reason to shoot our economy down with more regs.  Man is not causing global warming.  The earth is not warming.  Why hasn't the mean temps gone up the last 16 years?

Let me close with another tidbit.  Did you know that parts of Greenland were actively farmed 1,200 years ago?  Frozen Greenland was farmed for about 400 years.  The crop of choice was barley.  The point is the climate was warm in that pre-industrial time and man had nothing to do with it.  It has since gotten colder and man had nothing to do with that either.

johnnyp

Massive deforestation has significantly impacted how much carbon can be naturally reduced during the earth's natural carbon cycle

JohnInCarolina

Fred19Flintstone said:

Steve753 said:

If you want to see what runaway carbon can do, look no further than the planet Venus.

Who says we have runaway carbon?  Plants eat carbon dioxide here on Earth.  Are there plants on Venus?  No, there are none.  The Earth continually cleans itself.  Look at the Horizon oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico.  That was deemed catastrophic and will ruin the ecology of the gulf along with the fishery.  That caused some problems, but barely a year later, everything is back to normal.

We have pretty good regulation already. In the US, the air is pretty clean and so is the water.  As long as we stick to the existing laws, there's no reason to shoot our economy down with more regs.  Man is not causing global warming.  The earth is not warming.  Why hasn't the mean temps gone up the last 16 years?

Let me close with another tidbit.  Did you know that parts of Greenland were actively farmed 1,200 years ago?  Frozen Greenland was farmed for about 400 years.  The crop of choice was barley.  The point is the climate was warm in that pre-industrial time and man had nothing to do with it.  It has since gotten colder and man had nothing to do with that either.

There is so much wrong with this post it's difficult to know where to start.  Every paragraph contains incorrect information and/or logical fallacies.  Well done Fred.

I'll just comment on the Deepwater Horizon spill, as I think I've addressed most of your other misconceptions before.  About a month ago, NOAA and the Deepwater Horizon Trustees released a draft plan for gulf restoration.  It is actually open to public comment until mid-December, so I encourage people who are legitimately intellectually curious to read it.  The plan can be found here:

http://www.gulfspillrestoration.noaa.gov/restoration-planning/gulf-plan/

This is a comprehensive, 15-year plan that will cost around $10B.  It will take that long and cost that much because of the extensive damage that was done and how difficult it will be to mitigate it.  But yeah, like you wrote, everything is "back to normal."