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Real Deal Pulled Pork- I finally get it (took long enough)
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The Cen-Tex Smoker
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We don't do a ton of pulled pork down here but it's always been in the rotation. It's always been pretty good- certainly better than you could get at a BBQ joint down here. I can count on one hand the number of times I've ordered it at a place here (in my entire life). When I eat bbq, I'm going for Brisket, Ribs, and Sausage (The TX Holy Trinity). Earlier this year we went to Southern Smoke down in Houston with @20stone and @20stonespice(There is a thread somewhere on here with all the pics). Aaron Franklin was there, as well as several other celebrity bbq people, including Rodney Scott doing whole hog over hickory coals and an open pit. We waited our turn and got a little nibble. It was so simple but subtly better than any bbq pork that I had ever tasted. There was no rub to speak of and no bark on the piece I got yet it was still popping with something different.
Fast forward to a few weeks ago when I got the book Salt, Fat, Acid, Heat. I was thinking about this book and how I could use it in all my cooking, but also how it could relate specifically to bbq. The chapter on acid was very eye-opening for me. She talked about food that just had that "zing"- and that was acid. In the case of pulled pork, this means vinegar. I know that vinegar and pulled pork go together like peas and carrots and I've always added some. I just did it because people said to. I really had no context as to the "why", I just blindly did it. It was always good but I was never looking to achieve balance. Just adding to add because I read about it somewhere. In following her lead, I really thought about the why and what I was trying to achieve by adding acid (vinegar) to pulled pork. I thought back to that bite I had of Rodney's pig and thought- I want it to be like that. I was looking for that subtle "zing". I added a little bit by bit until it just lit up. Not a flavor, it's more subtle than that. I handed a bite to TFJ (who is not a big bbq fan) and she just looked up and smiled and said "what did you do"? Then the kids. We all settled down with a big pile and went back for more. It was by far the best I've ever done and very reminiscent of That bite I had from Rodney Scott. So simple and hiding in plain site this whole time.
I've had it every day this week and it's now gone. We would have normally thrown half of it out or frozen it after a few days (and thrown it out later). we always enjoyed it right off the egg but never really felt compelled to go back again and again like this time.
Pulled pork or whole hog are such large chunks of meat and all the flavor is in the outermost millimeter. the vinegar sauce adds salt and acid to ALL the meat allowing the smoky brown bits to play their part but not have to carry the whole load.
I know I'm preaching to the choir to many people on here who grew up in the south or understood the glory that is properly done pig, but I imagine there are many like me who are either thick headed or just didn't get it until now. It took a fancy cookbook for me to get what generations of pitmasters have been screaming to anyone who would listen. "It's the acid, dumbass"! So if you are like me and really didn't understand the glory of perfectly done pig- next time you try it, add acid (vinegar) little by little until it pops. Then enjoy. The only way I can describe "unit it pops" is that it does not taste like vinegar per se. When all the other flavors get really bright and pronounced, you are there.
I can tell you that for the first time in my life, I put pulled pork at the top of the pedestal with brisket. When done right, there really isn't anything better. Consider me converted.
I'm trying my best to figure out how to apply this to brisket. The only way I know of is the vinegar style bbq sauces we like down here but that is not as subtle as vinegar pulled pork sauce. Stay tuned, I'll figure something out.
BTW- I use Myron Mixon's vinegar sauce just because I don't know any better
2 cups cider vinegar 1 cup ketchup ½ cup hot sauce 2 tablespoons salt 2 tablespoons coarsely ground black pepper 1 tablespoon red pepper flakes ½ cup sugar
Fast forward to a few weeks ago when I got the book Salt, Fat, Acid, Heat. I was thinking about this book and how I could use it in all my cooking, but also how it could relate specifically to bbq. The chapter on acid was very eye-opening for me. She talked about food that just had that "zing"- and that was acid. In the case of pulled pork, this means vinegar. I know that vinegar and pulled pork go together like peas and carrots and I've always added some. I just did it because people said to. I really had no context as to the "why", I just blindly did it. It was always good but I was never looking to achieve balance. Just adding to add because I read about it somewhere. In following her lead, I really thought about the why and what I was trying to achieve by adding acid (vinegar) to pulled pork. I thought back to that bite I had of Rodney's pig and thought- I want it to be like that. I was looking for that subtle "zing". I added a little bit by bit until it just lit up. Not a flavor, it's more subtle than that. I handed a bite to TFJ (who is not a big bbq fan) and she just looked up and smiled and said "what did you do"? Then the kids. We all settled down with a big pile and went back for more. It was by far the best I've ever done and very reminiscent of That bite I had from Rodney Scott. So simple and hiding in plain site this whole time.
I've had it every day this week and it's now gone. We would have normally thrown half of it out or frozen it after a few days (and thrown it out later). we always enjoyed it right off the egg but never really felt compelled to go back again and again like this time.
Pulled pork or whole hog are such large chunks of meat and all the flavor is in the outermost millimeter. the vinegar sauce adds salt and acid to ALL the meat allowing the smoky brown bits to play their part but not have to carry the whole load.
I know I'm preaching to the choir to many people on here who grew up in the south or understood the glory that is properly done pig, but I imagine there are many like me who are either thick headed or just didn't get it until now. It took a fancy cookbook for me to get what generations of pitmasters have been screaming to anyone who would listen. "It's the acid, dumbass"! So if you are like me and really didn't understand the glory of perfectly done pig- next time you try it, add acid (vinegar) little by little until it pops. Then enjoy. The only way I can describe "unit it pops" is that it does not taste like vinegar per se. When all the other flavors get really bright and pronounced, you are there.
I can tell you that for the first time in my life, I put pulled pork at the top of the pedestal with brisket. When done right, there really isn't anything better. Consider me converted.
I'm trying my best to figure out how to apply this to brisket. The only way I know of is the vinegar style bbq sauces we like down here but that is not as subtle as vinegar pulled pork sauce. Stay tuned, I'll figure something out.
BTW- I use Myron Mixon's vinegar sauce just because I don't know any better
2 cups cider vinegar 1 cup ketchup ½ cup hot sauce 2 tablespoons salt 2 tablespoons coarsely ground black pepper 1 tablespoon red pepper flakes ½ cup sugar
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I couldn't agree with you more. It's the vinegar.
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Eastern style Carolina BBQ."I've made a note never to piss you two off." - Stike
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If you have watched the videos of the Skylight Inn saucing as well as the one of Chris Lilly doing it after chopping a few butts, you get the idea. Skylight uses only Texas Pete and vinegar. Don't know what's in Lilly's recipe, but I'll guarantee it's mostly vinegar.
Can't find the video of the Skylight, but basically, they just pour on a bunch of Pete followed by a bunch of vinegar, then mix.
Lilly saucing is at 1:55
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rj8M6KOkyw8
I'm sure his recipe is similar to this one...
http://www.nakedwhiz.com/elder.htm
Welcome to the wonderful world of vinegar!I hate it when I go to the kitchen for food and all I find are ingredients!
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Michael Ruhlman, a noted food writer and blogger, had a revelation when a chef told him to add some lemon juice to a dish. The acid transformed it completely. Its a game changer.
BTW, get a whole hog head and put a splash of vinegar sauce on the cheek meat. Sharks in feeding frenzy will swim back when they see you tear into that.
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I'm partial to Fat Johnnies Bastardized Piedmont Sauce. To me it's the perfect balance of vinegar, heat, and sweet.
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gdenby said:Michael Ruhlman, a noted food writer and blogger, had a revelation when a chef told him to add some lemon juice to a dish. The acid transformed it completely. Its a game changer.
BTW, get a whole hog head and put a splash of vinegar sauce on the cheek meat. Sharks in feeding frenzy will swim back when they see you tear into that.
We have 3 of them in the field right now but i dont think we will be doing whole hog bbq with any of them. We do have 6 cheeks walking around and I have one in my freezer from the last one. Might just thaw that out this weekend and throw it in with my brisketKeepin' It Weird in The ATX FBTX -
I belive another key to this is that the whole hog or shoulder being cooked still has the skin attached. This does something magical, in my opinion.
I like to do whole shoulders instead of butts on the Egg, it just has a different texture. A whole /half hog texture.------------------------------
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JohnInCarolina said:Eastern style Carolina BBQ.
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DoubleEgger said:JohnInCarolina said:Eastern style Carolina BBQ.Keepin' It Weird in The ATX FBTX
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The Cen-Tex Smoker said:DoubleEgger said:JohnInCarolina said:Eastern style Carolina BBQ.
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Excuse me for this, but I'm a little lost in the sauce. (Pun intended)
my issue is that im always concerned that I am over saucing after I pull.
Are you saying to sauce it after you pull and let it sit for a little bit before you serve, or sauce and serve immediately? -
This is a very popular sauce that has been floating around the BBQ Brethren for years. Give it a whirl!!
Shack Attack Sauce
Here is a delicious version of an old VA BBQ sauce inspired by a VA BBQ man named Shack. I drink this stuff straight, that's how good it is. It has no sugar in it, so sweet sauce fans may want to stay away.
1 1/2 cup Apple Cider Vinegar
1/4 cup water
1/4 cup of your favorite hot sauce
1 Tablespoon (TBS) Paprika
1 TBS Black Pepper
1 TBS Kitchen Salt (or 1 1/2 TBS K-Salt)
2 TBS Yellow Mustard (French)
Mix well, let sit for at least 24 to 48 hours before serving for best results. I blend it in my Ninja, that's why it's about 16 ounces total.
Just a hack that makes some $hitty BBQ.... -
DoubleEgger said:JohnInCarolina said:Eastern style Carolina BBQ."I've made a note never to piss you two off." - Stike
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Great post, John!
I always top my pulled pork sammies with my vinegar slaw. It's very wet, so it's not lacking vinegar and works very well with pork... especially for peeps who say they don't like vinegar slaw, or slaw period. It's very bright and has that zing that you're talking about.Just a hack that makes some $hitty BBQ.... -
DoubleEgger said:The Cen-Tex Smoker said:DoubleEgger said:JohnInCarolina said:Eastern style Carolina BBQ.Keepin' It Weird in The ATX FBTX
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cazzy said:This is a very popular sauce that has been floating around the BBQ Brethren for years. Give it a whirl!!
Shack Attack Sauce
Here is a delicious version of an old VA BBQ sauce inspired by a VA BBQ man named Shack. I drink this stuff straight, that's how good it is. It has no sugar in it, so sweet sauce fans may want to stay away.
1 1/2 cup Apple Cider Vinegar
1/4 cup water
1/4 cup of your favorite hot sauce
1 Tablespoon (TBS) Paprika
1 TBS Black Pepper
1 TBS Kitchen Salt (or 1 1/2 TBS K-Salt)
2 TBS Yellow Mustard (French)
Mix well, let sit for at least 24 to 48 hours before serving for best results. I blend it in my Ninja, that's why it's about 16 ounces total."I've made a note never to piss you two off." - Stike -
JohnInCarolina said:cazzy said:This is a very popular sauce that has been floating around the BBQ Brethren for years. Give it a whirl!!
Shack Attack Sauce
Here is a delicious version of an old VA BBQ sauce inspired by a VA BBQ man named Shack. I drink this stuff straight, that's how good it is. It has no sugar in it, so sweet sauce fans may want to stay away.
1 1/2 cup Apple Cider Vinegar
1/4 cup water
1/4 cup of your favorite hot sauce
1 Tablespoon (TBS) Paprika
1 TBS Black Pepper
1 TBS Kitchen Salt (or 1 1/2 TBS K-Salt)
2 TBS Yellow Mustard (French)
Mix well, let sit for at least 24 to 48 hours before serving for best results. I blend it in my Ninja, that's why it's about 16 ounces total.Keepin' It Weird in The ATX FBTX -
cazzy said:Great post, John!
I always top my pulled pork sammies with my vinegar slaw. It's very wet, so it's not lacking vinegar and works very well with pork... especially for peeps who say they don't like vinegar slaw, or slaw period. It's very bright and has that zing that you're talking about.Keepin' It Weird in The ATX FBTX -
Next time I do a butt I'm going to try one of these vinegar sauces for sure“There are three rules that I live by: never get less than twelve hours sleep; never play cards with a guy who has the same first name as a city; and never get involved with a woman with a tattoo of a dagger on her body.”
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I always do a mustard vinegar sauce and serve with pickles, pickled red onions, and pickled banana peppers to give it extra vinegar.Mustard Vinegar Sauce1 cup apple cider vinegar1/2 cup Yellow mustard1/4 cup onion finely minced2 cloves garlic pureed1/2 teaspoon black pepper1 tablespoon Worcestershire sauce1/2 cup brown sugar1/4 teaspoon cayenne pepper1/2 teaspoon salt1/2 teaspoon Tabasco sauceCombine ingredients and simmer for 15 minutes
I actually go a little heavier on the mustard but this is the recipe I found that I started from. -
Great post, I always like the science behind things and never knew why putting slaw on a pulled pork sandwich was done, I just put it on because it was like putting mustard on a hot dog, you just do it.
I will have to pick up that cook book also.
Thanks!Dave
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EggNorth said:Great post, I always like the science behind things and never knew why putting slaw on a pulled pork sandwich was done, I just put it on because it was like putting mustard on a hot dog, you just do it.
I will have to pick up that cook book also.
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@The Cen-Tex Smoker "Salt, Fat, Acid, Heat" is a really good book. It has made me change the way I do several things. I have been experimenting and watching my wife's reaction to some of the things I cook. The book has definitely caused positive changes in my food.
I'm happy for your success.Coleman, Texas
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The Cen-Tex Smoker said:DoubleEgger said:The Cen-Tex Smoker said:DoubleEgger said:JohnInCarolina said:Eastern style Carolina BBQ.
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Great post. Another Texan who only learned about pulled pork when my nephew married a girl from west Tennessee. Usually make one or two trips a year there to see them and their family and have eaten a lot of pulled pork from Memphis to Knoxville.
Was told that Texans BBQ beef because you have to get off your horse to steal a pig.
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SciAggie said:@The Cen-Tex Smoker "Salt, Fat, Acid, Heat" is a really good book. It has made me change the way I do several things. I have been experimenting and watching my wife's reaction to some of the things I cook. The book has definitely caused positive changes in my food.
I'm happy for your success.Keepin' It Weird in The ATX FBTX -
The Cen-Tex Smoker said:JohnInCarolina said:cazzy said:This is a very popular sauce that has been floating around the BBQ Brethren for years. Give it a whirl!!
Shack Attack Sauce
Here is a delicious version of an old VA BBQ sauce inspired by a VA BBQ man named Shack. I drink this stuff straight, that's how good it is. It has no sugar in it, so sweet sauce fans may want to stay away.
1 1/2 cup Apple Cider Vinegar
1/4 cup water
1/4 cup of your favorite hot sauce
1 Tablespoon (TBS) Paprika
1 TBS Black Pepper
1 TBS Kitchen Salt (or 1 1/2 TBS K-Salt)
2 TBS Yellow Mustard (French)
Mix well, let sit for at least 24 to 48 hours before serving for best results. I blend it in my Ninja, that's why it's about 16 ounces total.
Keepin' It Weird in The ATX FBTX -
Fun thread. I've always been a vinegar guy.
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I will say that having sampled a good range of PP that the variations in quality and flavor, just within NC, are incredible."I've made a note never to piss you two off." - Stike
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JohnInCarolina said:I will say that having sampled a good range of PP that the variations in quality and flavor, just within NC, are incredible.------------------------------
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