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OT: Do you still read a newspaper?
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The paper here in Atlanta SUCKS! I refer to it as The Al-Jazeera Journal of Constipation instead of the Atlanta Journal and Constitution. Its not even worth lining the bird cage with it.
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pgprescott said:If you think today's press is doing a good job or even trying to do so, I wholeheartedly disagree. They are mostly left wing activists. By definition they should not be journalists.
But I also agree with this:JustineCaseyFeldown said:There has never (read: NEVER) been a neutral source. ... If you have never thought someone on your 'opposition' made a good point, it's probably the voices in your echo chamber, not your human intelligence, that is running things for you.
The press in general has the right intention. Keep tabs on things, check power, spread ideas (editorial side). It is a bad thing to assume they are always correct, or that they are always evil. -
Theophan said:pgprescott said:If you think today's press is doing a good job or even trying to do so, I wholeheartedly disagree. They are mostly left wing activists. By definition they should not be journalists.
But I also agree with this:JustineCaseyFeldown said:There has never (read: NEVER) been a neutral source. ... If you have never thought someone on your 'opposition' made a good point, it's probably the voices in your echo chamber, not your human intelligence, that is running things for you.
The press in general has the right intention. Keep tabs on things, check power, spread ideas (editorial side). It is a bad thing to assume they are always correct, or that they are always evil. -
Yes. On the iPad Mon-Thursday, printed copy Fri-Sun.
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We have a landline, and we subscribe to the paper. (SWMBO reads the paper, I get my news from various amalgamated sources, however, the paper serves as an excellent base for crawfish consumption)
Sounds good to have both sides of an issue represented in media discussion, right? This technique gives traction and credence to many crack-pot conspiracy theories and fake news by legitimizing outrageous claims. News agencies should do a better job. Sadly we have a largely misinformed electorate.
"It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure that just ain't so." --Mark Twain
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No landline since 2003, never subscribed to a newspaper and read some articles online only.Seattle, WA
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landline at the house as well, the bastards took out my copper lines under protest, its so much better now though, the fiber optic line cuts out during power failures. cells are useless in my yard and im not going to work on fixing that. im not sure what we have to do at work, my old copper lines work there, had new fancy phones installed and the high frequency from some of the welders interferes with them big time. after a few weeks we had to tear them out and put the old phones back in. now they want to tear out the copper here as well
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pgprescott said:@JustineCaseyFeldown fair points about Oreilly.
If you think today's press is doing a good job or even trying to do so, I wholeheartedly disagree. They are mostly left wing activists. By definition they should not be journalists.
“Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away.” ― Philip K. Diçk -
fishlessman said:landline at the house as well, the bastards took out my copper lines under protest, its so much better now though, the fiber optic line cuts out during power failures. cells are useless in my yard and im not going to work on fixing that. im not sure what we have to do at work, my old copper lines work there, had new fancy phones installed and the high frequency from some of the welders interferes with them big time. after a few weeks we had to tear them out and put the old phones back in. now they want to tear out the copper here as well
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HeavyG said:pgprescott said:@JustineCaseyFeldown fair points about Oreilly.
If you think today's press is doing a good job or even trying to do so, I wholeheartedly disagree. They are mostly left wing activists. By definition they should not be journalists. -
pgprescott said:@JustineCaseyFeldown fair points about Oreilly.
If you think today's press is doing a good job or even trying to do so, I wholeheartedly disagree. They are mostly left wing activists. By definition they should not be journalists.Stillwater, MN -
StillH2OEgger said:pgprescott said:@JustineCaseyFeldown fair points about Oreilly.
If you think today's press is doing a good job or even trying to do so, I wholeheartedly disagree. They are mostly left wing activists. By definition they should not be journalists. -
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pgprescott said:StillH2OEgger said:pgprescott said:@JustineCaseyFeldown fair points about Oreilly.
If you think today's press is doing a good job or even trying to do so, I wholeheartedly disagree. They are mostly left wing activists. By definition they should not be journalists.BrandonQuad Cities
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pgprescott said:StillH2OEgger said:pgprescott said:@JustineCaseyFeldown fair points about Oreilly.
If you think today's press is doing a good job or even trying to do so, I wholeheartedly disagree. They are mostly left wing activists. By definition they should not be journalists.
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As for academia, what is the basis for your assertion that a large swath of it is corrupt?"I've made a note never to piss you two off." - Stike -
Giving equal time to opposing views isn't always the right thing to do. This is an extreme example obviously, but I hope we'd all agree that it doesn't make sense to give equal time to a flat-earther and a geophysicist."I've made a note never to piss you two off." - Stike
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pgprescott said:StillH2OEgger said:pgprescott said:@JustineCaseyFeldown fair points about Oreilly.
If you think today's press is doing a good job or even trying to do so, I wholeheartedly disagree. They are mostly left wing activists. By definition they should not be journalists.Stillwater, MN -
Yep, not sure why, but we still subscribe to the local newspaper, still have a landline and a fax machine and I still like to calculate my truck mileage with a calculator and I still refer to entering a phone number as "dialing a number" and I still remember Howard Cosell, hey, I'm ole school....I've also been known to open the car door for my wife......but one thing or sure is that I have a Big Green Egg and love it!!!!The problem with a problem is that you don't know it's a problem until it's a problem, and that is a big problem.
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I am enjoying the thoughts of folks on here. I don't disagree that media tends to lean liberal based on my own experiences, but it's also a statement that is easy to throw out there. As I mentioned, I tend to view newspaper coverage (not editorial page content which does not come from actual reporters) is mostly straight forward and offering both sides if being done professionally. Anyone got good examples of specific news stories in mainstream publications that have been written with unfair bias towards one side or another. I sometimes ask people when they make those kind of statements about the liberal media and I typically only hear broad claims with few specific examples.
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StillH2OEgger said:I am enjoying the thoughts of folks on here. I don't disagree that media tends to lean liberal based on my own experiences, but it's also a statement that is easy to throw out there. As I mentioned, I tend to view newspaper coverage (not editorial page content which does not come from actual reporters) is mostly straight forward and offering both sides if being done professionally. Anyone got good examples of specific news stories in mainstream publications that have been written with unfair bias towards one side or another. I sometimes ask people when they make those kind of statements about the liberal media and I typically only hear broad claims with few specific examples.
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JohnInCarolina said:pgprescott said:StillH2OEgger said:pgprescott said:@JustineCaseyFeldown fair points about Oreilly.
If you think today's press is doing a good job or even trying to do so, I wholeheartedly disagree. They are mostly left wing activists. By definition they should not be journalists.
ETA:
As for academia, what is the basis for your assertion that a large swath of it is corrupt?
Almost all all of them think similarly to you. Even you must admit at least half the people don't think as you do. Why do all the professors have to lean one way? Free speech! Oh, except for Condoleezza Rice and others. Right? The marketplace of ideas is closed in many universities and students are called vile names if they speak out. You know it's true. It's pathetic and a driver of mediocrity. -
pgprescott said:JohnInCarolina said:pgprescott said:StillH2OEgger said:pgprescott said:@JustineCaseyFeldown fair points about Oreilly.
If you think today's press is doing a good job or even trying to do so, I wholeheartedly disagree. They are mostly left wing activists. By definition they should not be journalists.
ETA:
As for academia, what is the basis for your assertion that a large swath of it is corrupt?
Almost all all of them think similarly to you. Even you must admit at least half the people don't think as you do. Why do all the professors have to lean one way? Free speech! Oh, except for Condoleezza Rice and others. Right? The marketplace of ideas is closed in many universities and students are called vile names if they speak out. You know it's true. It's pathetic and a driver of mediocrity.
As to your second paragraph, it doesn't really answer my question. What do you mean by "corrupt" ? What evidence is there to support your claim? All I see in your response is opinion.
All professors don't have to lean one way. We don't ask what political party people belong to when they apply to positions. In fact, during any interview I've ever been involved with, I can't recall a single instance in which politics even came up. We mostly talk about science and engineering, because that's what my colleagues actually care the most about believe it or not.
One of the main people involved with Trump's campaign was a Duke student who routinely wrote opinion pieces in the student newspaper. I don't recall him ever being shouted down or ostracized, even though I suspect many people on campus disagreed with his views.
When I've raised this issue with faculty in liberal arts their response is that they tend to take the opposite position to the students during lecture, regardless of what it is. The reason is simple. They are trying to develop the students' critical thinking skills, and providing some kind of echo chamber doesn't do that. In fact, it does just the opposite.
Where did you go to school by the way? I'm just asking because your perception is quite a bit different from any other place I'm familiar with, but I admit that different campuses have different cultures.
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I know someone that watches ABC Evening news regularly. I mentioned to him sometime back how in the tank Martha Raddatz was. He disagreed. He saw her crying on election night. He now sees her for what she is. I loved how both ABC and Raddatz claim she was not crying, but what can we expect them to say?
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JohnInCarolina said:pgprescott said:JohnInCarolina said:pgprescott said:StillH2OEgger said:pgprescott said:@JustineCaseyFeldown fair points about Oreilly.
If you think today's press is doing a good job or even trying to do so, I wholeheartedly disagree. They are mostly left wing activists. By definition they should not be journalists.
ETA:
As for academia, what is the basis for your assertion that a large swath of it is corrupt?
Almost all all of them think similarly to you. Even you must admit at least half the people don't think as you do. Why do all the professors have to lean one way? Free speech! Oh, except for Condoleezza Rice and others. Right? The marketplace of ideas is closed in many universities and students are called vile names if they speak out. You know it's true. It's pathetic and a driver of mediocrity.
As to your second paragraph, it doesn't really answer my question. What do you mean by "corrupt" ? What evidence is there to support your claim? All I see in your response is opinion.
All professors don't have to lean one way. We don't ask what political party people belong to when they apply to positions. In fact, during any interview I've ever been involved with, I can't recall a single instance in which politics even came up. We mostly talk about science and engineering, because that's what my colleagues actually care the most about believe it or not.
One of the main people involved with Trump's campaign was a Duke student who routinely wrote opinion pieces in the student newspaper. I don't recall him ever being shouted down or ostracized, even though I suspect many people on campus disagreed with his views.
When I've raised this issue with faculty in liberal arts their response is that they tend to take the opposite position to the students during lecture, regardless of what it is. The reason is simple. They are trying to develop the students' critical thinking skills, and providing some kind of echo chamber doesn't do that. In fact, it does just the opposite.
Where did you go to school by the way? I'm just asking because your perception is quite a bit different from any other place I'm familiar with, but I admit that different campuses have different cultures. -
I'm for critical thinking! Anyone else who is is not a lost cause, regardless of the opinion they come to, at least its a considered one.
All of our scales have different weights :-)“There are three rules that I live by: never get less than twelve hours sleep; never play cards with a guy who has the same first name as a city; and never get involved with a woman with a tattoo of a dagger on her body.”
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pgprescott said:You are a lost cause. You can't admit anything. Btw, many conservatives have been disallowed to speak on campuses. Fact not opinion. I have heard tons of stories of downright bullying by staff over the years. Every time it is a liberal bullying. Not sure I've ever been told of one in the other direction. To deny these things is willful ignorance. I'm glad that this one student you mention was treated fairly. I wonder what his sid of the story would be? You should seek him out and have a coffee. I'm curious.
To be clear, I'm not contending that liberals and conservatives are equally represented in academia. There's numerous studies indicating that they're not. But that's a very different question from corruption. To me, corruption would imply that people are holding ideas they don't believe to be correct, because they're being paid to do so, or something like that.
The student in question has long since graduated from Duke. I just recognized him recently because I used to read his pieces in the student newspaper, which is strangely on topic for this thread."I've made a note never to piss you two off." - Stike -
Hans61 said:I'm for critical thinking! Anyone else who is is not a lost cause, regardless of the opinion they come to, at least its a considered one.
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We subscribe to our local communities Hilltop Press, oh and I also read TheOnion.
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@JohnInCarolina as I said, maybe corrupt is the wrong word.
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