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GATraveller said:They're all a bunch of criminals. One side is big business and the other is big government. I'm afraid we're at the tipping point where the leaches have learned that they can vote their way to a bigger gub'mint handout funded by us working schleps. Way I see it - if you don't pay taxes then you shouldn't have a vote.
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Some just way more than others.Green egg, dead animal and alcohol. The "Boro".. TN
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henapple said:Some just way more than others.
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True but I pay around half my damn income in taxes.
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It's not a liberal or conservative thing...it's a holy ****, someone is taking a bunch of my hard earned money.Green egg, dead animal and alcohol. The "Boro".. TN -
I should have specified income, payroll or property....
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henapple said:True but I pay around half my damn income in taxes. Federal SS Sales tax Gas taxes Extra tax on tobacco and alcohol It's not a liberal or conservative thing...it's a holy ****, someone is taking a bunch of my hard earned money.You should call your congressman.
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I pay a lot of tax and the roads here are the worst in the country and the public schools are so good, we send our daughter to private school. This is Utopia!Flint, Michigan
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Eggcelsior said:henapple said:True but I pay around half my damn income in taxes. Federal SS Sales tax Gas taxes Extra tax on tobacco and alcohol It's not a liberal or conservative thing...it's a holy ****, someone is taking a bunch of my hard earned money.You should call your congressman.
Also, please let them know what you'd like to do without. Eliminate health care for the elderly? Social Security? Roads? Food and drug safety? Lots of military hardware designed to fight a war that ended 25 years ago?
Unfortunately, when taxes get cut (because that makes everyone happy and keeps them voting for you) services don't get cut (because that would make everyone unhappy and they would vote against you). That just kicks the can down road, because nobody wants to make the tough decision.
LBGE
Pikesville, MD
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That's true ACN, but the guvmint also wastes a lot of money building bridges to nowhere and studying important stuff like the effects of Swedish massage on rabbits and measuring cow flatulance (because cow farts are destroying this planet!).Flint, Michigan
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Fred19Flintstone said:That's true ACN, but the guvmint also wastes a lot of money building bridges to nowhere and studying important stuff like the effects of Swedish massage on rabbits and measuring cow flatulance (because cow farts are destroying this planet!).By the way. bovine methane production is the #1 methane producer over landfills and the Natural Gas Industry. It's mostly produced through breathing, not flatulence.
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@Acn ...basically you're nothing anyone can do?Green egg, dead animal and alcohol. The "Boro".. TN
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I guarantee you the gub'mint waste is more that a "drop in the bucket"
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@henapple - I didn't say that. I said that you can't have your cake and eat it too. The government can't cut taxes (it's revenue) and maintain the same spending levels anymore than an individual or family could. So if you want true fiscal responsibility, something neither major party is particularly interested in ACTUALLY dealing with, you need to drop expenditures as well as revenue.
LBGE
Pikesville, MD
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Cool Strawman Fred! Those "drops in the bucket" you just mentioned are nothing compared to real government waste, say, like the trillion dollar JSF boondoggle.Eggcelsior said:Fred19Flintstone said:That's true ACN, but the guvmint also wastes a lot of money building bridges to nowhere and studying important stuff like the effects of Swedish massage on rabbits and measuring cow flatulance (because cow farts are destroying this planet!).By the way. bovine methane production is the #1 methane producer over landfills and the Natural Gas Industry. It's mostly produced through breathing, not flatulence.
In order to have a straw man, the arguments must be false, misleading or exaggerated. I guess you caught me. Cow burps are destroying the planet, not farts. Essentially those tax wasting programs I mentioned are true. How do we know about cow burps? It's in a EPA report made annually and submitted to the United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change. I bet compiling that report every year hardly costs a dime!
Hey, I know. Let's talk about the money we waste on the United Nations!!!Flint, Michigan -
Let's talk about ALL the money we send to nations that hate us...Green egg, dead animal and alcohol. The "Boro".. TN
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I try to stay out of the politics around here, largely because I have a lot to learn when it comes to BBQ and I don't think it's a good idea to rub you guys the wrong way. I'd like to go to Salado and not have to worry about getting double-teamed for an atomic wedgie by @henapple and Cen-Tex as soon as I step out of my car.Plus, I'm about 1000 times smarter than most of you guys, give or take. I just hold back on the forum so as not to make that incredibly obvious. Arguing politics with you guys would be like a guy with a bazooka getting into a fight with guys carrying butter knives. It's just not a fair fight.So, yeah, I think I'll just stay out of it so that I don't rub you guys the wrong way."I've made a note never to piss you two off." - Stike
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Not burps, Fred. Exhalation. Also, that was still a straw man.
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henapple said:Let's talk about ALL the money we send to nations that hate us...
Steve
Caledon, ON
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I want to get in on this debate so bad that it is killing me. I can't get involved for obvious reasons though
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Yes you're right. The planet is doomed. Eat as many cows as you can while you still can.Eggcelsior said:Not burps, Fred. Exhalation. Also, that was still a straw man.
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Foreign aid is less than 1% of the federal budget, and most of that goes to nations that like us. Maybe this saves a quarter penny per dollar of your federal taxes.henapple said:Let's talk about ALL the money we send to nations that hate us...
LBGE
Pikesville, MD
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Fred19Flintstone said:
Not burps, Fred. Exhalation. Also, that was still a straw man.
Yes you're right. The planet is doomed. Eat as many cows as you can while you still can. -
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SGH said:I want to get in on this debate so bad that it is killing me. I can't get involved for obvious reasons though
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There is no perfect party or plan. Someone is always going to suffer. I had great fiscal years during the Clinton administration although I hated his agenda. My first thought for voting is my families saftey. I just believe that a conservative administration is more likely to handle that better. I believe in Reagan's economic policy that less taxes results in more spending creating more revenue. I'm not sure any govt can legislate morality.
@Eggcelsior, you mentioned the money spent on the cold war. I grew up in the 70's and 80's and the tension was high between the US and Soviet Union.
Someone mentioned our forces being outdated. There has been a changed to insurgents instead of massive armys but there is still countries building that type of army. We live under the fantasy that "it'll never happen here".
All that being said...I'm friends with every political and religious affiliations.Green egg, dead animal and alcohol. The "Boro".. TN -
You sure have a gloomy outlook on life, Fred. Cheer up! Cows are delicious.Eggcelsior said:Fred19Flintstone said:
Yes you're right. The planet is doomed. Eat as many cows as you can while you still can.Eggcelsior said:Not burps, Fred. Exhalation. Also, that was still a straw man.
I don't worry about anything. It's quite liberating and makes me very happy. You liberal types are generally unhappy hand wringers worrying about cow farts, sorry, burps and other such nonsense.
Time to power down and go home. It's been fun sparring with you. I'm pretty sure you lost.Flint, Michigan -
@henapple, no, I specifically mentioned the Star Wars SDI after you said Reagan bluffed as a joke. I did not comment on the entire cold war.
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Fred19Flintstone said:
I don't worry about anything. It's quite liberating and makes me very happy. You liberal types are generally unhappy hand wringers worrying about cow farts, sorry, burps and other such nonsense. Time to power down and go home. It's been fun sparring with you. I'm pretty sure you lost.Fred19Flintstone said:Not burps, Fred. Exhalation. Also, that was still a straw man.
Yes you're right. The planet is doomed. Eat as many cows as you can while you still can.
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