I honestly don’t know where to post this.

Buckwoody Egger · July 18

ooh ooh i have an idea, look up wharton penn graduates and bankruptcy frequency, maybe an outlier somewhere in the dataset

lousubcap · July 18

I like that offer @Buckwoody Egger as I could guess the winner/loser!
Very perceptive data approach.

JohnInCarolina · July 18

Buckwoody Egger said:

ooh ooh i have an idea, look up wharton penn graduates and bankruptcy frequency, maybe an outlier somewhere in the dataset

That does seem… odd, doesn’t it?

JohnInCarolina · July 18

JohnInCarolina · July 18

lousubcap · July 19

To True. And here we are. F'me.

DoubleEgger · July 20

Botch · July 22

Well, that didn't take long.

https://www.bradfordexchange.com/products/924528_ozzy-osbourne-solo-album-cover-zippo-lighters.html

JohnInCarolina · July 23

JohnInCarolina · July 24

JohnInCarolina · July 24

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Afetnw70S04

Botch · July 25

https://www.propublica.org/article/nathan-albers-fort-bliss-immigration?utm_source=sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=majorinvestigations&utm_content=feature

And to add to this, the administration is mentioning the idea of releasing these prisoners to "indentured servitude" (once called "slavery").

JohnInCarolina · July 25

LOL

lousubcap · July 26

The sycophants are now trying to dance around the deal struck with CHEETO. Had any had a spine we wouldn't be here today.

Botch · July 26

lousubcap said:

The sycophants are now trying to dance around the deal struck with CHEETO. Had any had a spine we wouldn't be here today.

I mentioned on another forum that, yesterday, Jerome Powell showed more backbone than all of the congressional republicans. Tonight, PBS showed a bit more of the exchange where Powell looked at the printout that dump gave him, pulled out his reading glasses, and completely nailed him to the wall. CBS and other "news" outlets didn't show the whole exchange; I just sent another donation to them.

JohnInCarolina · July 30

JohnInCarolina · July 31

lousubcap · July 31

Under Trump, ICE now has more money to spend each year than all but 15 of the world’s militaries. At $27.7 billion annually, Immigration and Customs Enforcement is newly offering $50,000 signing bonuses, student loan repayment and forgiveness options, and even “patriotic recruitment posters and benefits to attract the next generation of law enforcement professionals to find, arrest, and remove criminal illegal aliens,” the Department of Homeland Security announced Tuesday.

Bigger picture: “ICE is set to get $76.5 billion, nearly 10 times its current annual budget,” AP reported Wednesday. “Some $45 billion will go toward increasing detention capacity. Nearly $30 billion is for hiring 10,000 more staff so the agency can meet its goal of 1 million annual deportations.”

One former ICE official “estimated it would take three to four years to actually hire and train” those 10,000 new employees. Meantime, ICE is expected to “rely on private contractors, National Guard troops and other federal law enforcement officers to meet the administration’s goal of 3,000 arrests a day,” AP writes. Politico has more.

Developing: ICE is already operating at least nine large detention facilities for migrants in Louisiana, the New York Times reports in a multimedia feature published Thursday. One such facility in Alexandria—a former Air Force base until 1992—is now, as Times puts it, “the deportation capital of America.”

About the Alexandria, La., facility: “More deportation flights have taken off from there than from any other place in the United States, and more domestic ICE flights have passed through there than anywhere else, according to a widely cited database of ICE flights,” the Times reports.

Notable: “With cheap labor and real estate, the daily cost of holding an ICE detainee in the region is roughly a third of the average daily cost elsewhere. The highest court in the region—the federal appeals court based in New Orleans—is particularly Trump-friendly, and the state’s top elected officials, all of whom are Republicans, have put up no opposition.” Continue reading (gift link), here.

By the way: The Trump administration is running “a bit of a [legal] black hole” with its Everglades migrant detention facility, a federal judge said Monday. At the facility, known as “Alligator Alcatraz” to the Trump administration, “detainees have been barred from meeting attorneys, are being held without any charges and that a federal immigration court has canceled bond hearings,” AP reported Monday.

The judge warned at the Monday hearing “The court may be walking into a bit of a black hole about the interplay between the federal and state authorities and certainly jurisdictional concerns,” and added, “That’s part of the problem—who is doing what in this facility?”

fishlessman · July 31

bidens closed border policy seems to have worked pretty well, cost nothing to implement but everything to fix

fishlessman · July 31

help...my jeep is stuck in the river

Image: https://karmelknockingaround.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/05/Great-Duck-race-underway.jpg

JohnInCarolina · July 31

lousubcap said:

Under Trump, ICE now has more money to spend each year than all but 15 of the world’s militaries. At $27.7 billion annually, Immigration and Customs Enforcement is newly offering $50,000 signing bonuses, student loan repayment and forgiveness options, and even “patriotic recruitment posters and benefits to attract the next generation of law enforcement professionals to find, arrest, and remove criminal illegal aliens,” the Department of Homeland Security announced Tuesday.

Seems a wee bit excessive.

fishlessman · August 1

roughly $2500.00 to remove each illegal. thats pretty inexpensive for govt work

but theres always the typical over runs in the budget as the years progress

JohnInCarolina · August 2

fishlessman said:

roughly $2500.00 to remove each illegal. thats pretty inexpensive for govt work but theres always the typical over runs in the budget as the years progress

Have you ever met anyone who's an undocumented immigrant, fish?

Legume · August 2

fishlessman said:

roughly $2500.00 to remove each illegal. thats pretty inexpensive for govt work but theres always the typical over runs in the budget as the years progress

This assumes ICE will remove all of the estimated 11 million people here illegally in one year. I'll take your money all day on that bet.

Will they get 10% of that in a year? Trump's stated goal is 1 million per year. 3000 arrests per day.

So, $27k per arrest, for many, many years.

Botch · August 3

A discussion between Tristan Harris and Bill Maher, on AI. This was a bit eye-opening for me:

https://youtu.be/9ILrnsRoiJ8?si=0KBARNZCVMuTxuar

JohnInCarolina · August 3

Botch · August 3

fishlessman said:

roughly $2500.00 to remove each illegal. thats pretty inexpensive for govt work but theres always the typical over runs in the budget as the years progress

https://itep.org/undocumented-immigrants-taxes-2024/

Hmm, okay, $2,500 to remove this too:

Undocumented immigrants paid federal, state, and local taxes of $8,889 per person in 2022.

Republican math at its finest.

fishlessman · August 4

JohnInCarolina said:

fishlessman said:

roughly $2500.00 to remove each illegal. thats pretty inexpensive for govt work but theres always the typical over runs in the budget as the years progress

Have you ever met anyone who's an undocumented immigrant, fish?

of course, the hotel up the street was one of the first late night dumpings by the state. dont know how many families are staying there but there was over 150 children that entered the school system in just a few days. took a few months to hire, transplant, house, move the haitian translators into the school system.

had only one problem with an illegal dominican, was harassing a trade school kid i hired last summer for money after work each night. told the guy he was lost and to git which did nothing. called the kids mom, a fiery dominican american. tight dominican community here...they took care of it

they were doing the school bus pickup in front of the hotel for several months here, the resident mass democrats went nuts.......someone figured out they could pick up the students behind the hotel..... outa sight, outa mind

how many illegal immigrants are now teaching at duke

fishlessman · August 4

Legume said:

fishlessman said:

roughly $2500.00 to remove each illegal. thats pretty inexpensive for govt work but theres always the typical over runs in the budget as the years progress

This assumes ICE will remove all of the estimated 11 million people here illegally in one year. I'll take your money all day on that bet.

Will they get 10% of that in a year? Trump's stated goal is 1 million per year. 3000 arrests per day.

So, $27k per arrest, for many, many years.

i think i mentioned it would over run for years which would up the cost, no assumptions there

fishlessman · August 4

Botch said:

fishlessman said:

roughly $2500.00 to remove each illegal. thats pretty inexpensive for govt work but theres always the typical over runs in the budget as the years progress

https://itep.org/undocumented-immigrants-taxes-2024/

Hmm, okay, $2,500 to remove this too:
Undocumented immigrants paid federal, state, and local taxes of $8,889 per person in 2022.
Republican math at its finest.

maybe it just cost more here north of boston, the city here has it estimated around 70 k per illegal migrant families for hotels, food, medical, heat, electricity, healthcare, free debit cards, clothes, schooling etc. probably doesnt count the little things like haitian translator salaries and housing for the school systems, probably alot more money is coming from other sources because 70 k sounds awfully cheap for a family in mass with nothing. the hotel sits next to a mcdonalds with practically no workabees, where do illegals get a job here in mass, im not seeing it

Based on the provided information, illegal immigrant families in Massachusetts are eligible for various benefits and services, some of which are specific to emergency situations or are more broadly available regardless of immigration status

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here's a breakdown from the liberal state of mass of what they may be receiving:

Emergency Housing and Related Costs: The state's emergency shelter system is heavily impacted by the influx of migrants. The state is reportedly spending about $3,870 weekly per family in the shelter system. Some sources estimate monthly costs for housing families could be as high as $15,166. These costs may cover lodging, food, medical services, and essential items. Assistance upon moving out, such as help with moving services and furniture, may also be provided.
Welfare and Cash Assistance:
- WIC cards may provide $400-$800 monthly.
- DTA benefits for a family of four could reach up to $2,880 monthly.
- Some illegal or inadmissible migrants may still be eligible for certain welfare programs.
- Families with mixed immigration status may be eligible for programs like TAFDC or other welfare benefits.
Healthcare:
- MassHealth Limited is available for emergency care for those ineligible for other programs due to immigration status.
- The Health Safety Net program helps with costs at hospitals and community health centers for low-income residents, regardless of immigration status.
- Massachusetts provides resources for COVID-19 testing and treatment for low-income residents, regardless of immigration status.
- There is consideration to expand the program covering healthcare services for illegal immigrants.
Education:
- Eligible undocumented students may receive in-state tuition and potentially state financial aid at public colleges and universities.
- Universal school meals are provided for students in participating schools.
Other Benefits:
- Rental assistance is available through programs like RAFT, ERMA, and ERAP.
- Public health programs offer immunizations and treatment for communicable diseases.
- Short-term noncash emergency disaster assistance may be provided.
- In-kind services necessary for life or safety, such as shelters and medical services, are available.
- Access to free legal assistance is available through various organizations.
- Assistance with work permits and other legal needs is available through the IAS Program.
- ORI provides case management, health promotion, and employment services.

It is important to note that discussions about these benefits often include debates on the fiscal impact on taxpayers and whether these benefits might encourage further immigration.

I honestly don’t know where to post this.

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