I honestly don’t know where to post this.

Botch

I appreciate your response, Fish.  

JohnInCarolina

fishlessman said:

JohnInCarolina said:

fishlessman said:

roughly $2500.00 to remove each illegal. thats pretty inexpensive for govt work but theres always the typical over runs in the budget as the years progress

Have you ever met anyone who's an undocumented immigrant, fish?

of course,  the hotel up the street was one of the first late night dumpings by the state. dont know how many families are staying there but there was over 150 children that entered the school system in just a few days. took a few months to hire, transplant, house, move the haitian translators into the school system. 

had only one problem with an illegal dominican, was harassing a trade school kid i hired last summer for money after work each night. told the guy he was lost and to git which did nothing. called the kids mom, a fiery dominican american. tight dominican community here...they took care of it

they were doing the school bus pickup in front of the hotel for several months here, the resident mass democrats went nuts.......someone figured out they could pick up the students behind the hotel..... outa sight, outa mind

how many illegal immigrants are now teaching at duke

If your main interactions with people like this has been through a shelter put in place by the state, that explains a lot.

Everyone who teaches at Duke has the proper status for doing so.  There's not really any wiggle room there.  

fishlessman

JohnInCarolina said:

fishlessman said:

JohnInCarolina said:

fishlessman said:

roughly $2500.00 to remove each illegal. thats pretty inexpensive for govt work but theres always the typical over runs in the budget as the years progress

Have you ever met anyone who's an undocumented immigrant, fish?

of course,  the hotel up the street was one of the first late night dumpings by the state. dont know how many families are staying there but there was over 150 children that entered the school system in just a few days. took a few months to hire, transplant, house, move the haitian translators into the school system. 

had only one problem with an illegal dominican, was harassing a trade school kid i hired last summer for money after work each night. told the guy he was lost and to git which did nothing. called the kids mom, a fiery dominican american. tight dominican community here...they took care of it

they were doing the school bus pickup in front of the hotel for several months here, the resident mass democrats went nuts.......someone figured out they could pick up the students behind the hotel..... outa sight, outa mind

how many illegal immigrants are now teaching at duke

If your main interactions with people like this has been through a shelter put in place by the state, that explains a lot.

Everyone who teaches at Duke has the proper status for doing so.  There's not really any wiggle room there.  

i can say that the legal immigrants have been a whole different story, the apple picker crowds, welders from bosnia, south america does some great masonry, tile work etc, but they are here legally. i work next to and in lawrence mass, its been an immigrant city going way back. the biggest base there is now from the dominican republic, the french canadians bailed out of the city in the past decade. the biggest base is probably not dominican, its the homeless.

if you visit boston i would not stay at that hotel up the street, its an eye opener

sorry to here that the illegals dont feel included and valued at the duke teaching facility.......

JohnInCarolina

fishlessman said:

JohnInCarolina said:

fishlessman said:

JohnInCarolina said:

fishlessman said:

roughly $2500.00 to remove each illegal. thats pretty inexpensive for govt work but theres always the typical over runs in the budget as the years progress

Have you ever met anyone who's an undocumented immigrant, fish?

of course,  the hotel up the street was one of the first late night dumpings by the state. dont know how many families are staying there but there was over 150 children that entered the school system in just a few days. took a few months to hire, transplant, house, move the haitian translators into the school system. 

had only one problem with an illegal dominican, was harassing a trade school kid i hired last summer for money after work each night. told the guy he was lost and to git which did nothing. called the kids mom, a fiery dominican american. tight dominican community here...they took care of it

they were doing the school bus pickup in front of the hotel for several months here, the resident mass democrats went nuts.......someone figured out they could pick up the students behind the hotel..... outa sight, outa mind

how many illegal immigrants are now teaching at duke

If your main interactions with people like this has been through a shelter put in place by the state, that explains a lot.

Everyone who teaches at Duke has the proper status for doing so.  There's not really any wiggle room there.  

i can say that the legal immigrants have been a whole different story, the apple picker crowds, welders from bosnia, south america does some great masonry, tile work etc, but they are here legally. i work next to and in lawrence mass, its been an immigrant city going way back. the biggest base there is now from the dominican republic, the french canadians bailed out of the city in the past decade. the biggest base is probably not dominican, its the homeless.

if you visit boston i would not stay at that hotel up the street, its an eye opener

sorry to here that the illegals dont feel included and valued at the duke teaching facility.......

And I’m sorry you’re an ahole.  Were you born that way, or did you work at it your whole life?

Buckwoody Egger

Botch said:

I appreciate your response, Fish.  

same here. thought provoking about how much should America spend, how much America is getting in return.  and geographically where, what industries, who should be eligible and for how long, etc. hate,  anger and stereotyping is the mentally easy and cheap out. not being smart can be cheap or expensive, can be destructive in short and long term.  usually never constructive. 

JohnInCarolina

Plenty of studies have been performed which indicate that undocumented immigrants are a net positive for the US economy.  Here is one, just for starters:

https://www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org/press-release/immigrants-keep-economy-strong-as-congress-debates-mass-deportation/

People tend to be influenced by their own personal experiences and what kind of news they consume, instead of the actual data, and maybe that’s understandable.  

Buckwoody Egger

the data in aggregate can be a net gain with losses distributed across various segments (that is also data). it is not “if the free internet is a net positive then all of the negatives within the internet must be dismissed”

so i am open to hearing viewpoints that, even if they are observationally skewed, remind me of the breadth and situational diversity at hand. as humans it’s easy to get tunnel vision.  

JohnInCarolina

Buckwoody Egger said:

the data in aggregate can be a net gain with losses distributed across various segments (that is also data). it is not “if the free internet is a net positive then all of the negatives within the internet must be dismissed”

so i am open to hearing viewpoints that, even if they are observationally skewed, remind me of the breadth and situational diversity at hand. as humans it’s easy to get tunnel vision.  

I’m all for looking at any kind of data, but it needs to be viewed in context.  

It costs money to educate a child, whether they’re undocumented or not.  Is that a loss?  Or should we consider the long term benefits of how an educated person can contribute to our society?

It costs money to put people who are fresh off a boat into a hotel.  Is that a loss compared to insisting they stay out on the streets?  

If basic dignity costs money, should we still consider it a loss?

What is the cost of lies?

Buckwoody Egger

those are probably all net gains between me you and ronald reagan.  

so to optimize it we would ask where is the spend is efficient effective etc vs ineffective etc. we would not bless a program unilaterally without prudent financial management and “getting better at it”.  maybe find a place where work is plentiful and hotels are cheap.  less shouting more solving 

JohnInCarolina

Buckwoody Egger said:

those are probably all net gains between me you and ronald reagan.  

so to optimize it we would ask where is the spend is efficient effective etc vs ineffective etc. we would not bless a program unilaterally without prudent financial management and “getting better at it”.  maybe find a place where work is plentiful and hotels are cheap.  less shouting more solving 

Hindsight is always 20/20.  There aren’t always solutions that make everyone happy.  Usually it’s just the opposite.  

Should we strive to do better?  Of course!  But maybe some humility is also in order, not to mention respect for state employees who are doing the best they can with limited resources and time.  

Buckwoody Egger

didn’t know fish was a state employee. fingers crossed on who is managing that pension!!

JohnInCarolina

Buckwoody Egger said:

didn’t know fish was a state employee.

You mean his sunny disposition didn't clue you in?  

fishlessman

JohnInCarolina said:

Buckwoody Egger said:

didn’t know fish was a state employee.

You mean his sunny disposition didn't clue you in?  

definitely not an angry state employee

fishlessman

JohnInCarolina said:

Buckwoody Egger said:

the data in aggregate can be a net gain with losses distributed across various segments (that is also data). it is not “if the free internet is a net positive then all of the negatives within the internet must be dismissed”

so i am open to hearing viewpoints that, even if they are observationally skewed, remind me of the breadth and situational diversity at hand. as humans it’s easy to get tunnel vision.  

I’m all for looking at any kind of data, but it needs to be viewed in context.  

It costs money to educate a child, whether they’re undocumented or not.  Is that a loss?  Or should we consider the long term benefits of how an educated person can contribute to our society?

It costs money to put people who are fresh off a boat into a hotel.  Is that a loss compared to insisting they stay out on the streets?  

If basic dignity costs money, should we still consider it a loss?

What is the cost of lies?

just wondering how many generations will live in that hotel ..........   

JohnInCarolina

fishlessman said:

JohnInCarolina said:

Buckwoody Egger said:

the data in aggregate can be a net gain with losses distributed across various segments (that is also data). it is not “if the free internet is a net positive then all of the negatives within the internet must be dismissed”

so i am open to hearing viewpoints that, even if they are observationally skewed, remind me of the breadth and situational diversity at hand. as humans it’s easy to get tunnel vision.  

I’m all for looking at any kind of data, but it needs to be viewed in context.  

It costs money to educate a child, whether they’re undocumented or not.  Is that a loss?  Or should we consider the long term benefits of how an educated person can contribute to our society?

It costs money to put people who are fresh off a boat into a hotel.  Is that a loss compared to insisting they stay out on the streets?  

If basic dignity costs money, should we still consider it a loss?

What is the cost of lies?

just wondering how many generations will live in that hotel ..........   

Maybe here's your answer:

https://www.mass.gov/news/governor-healey-announces-successful-closure-of-all-hotel-shelters-ends-state-of-emergency

fishlessman

JohnInCarolina said:

fishlessman said:

JohnInCarolina said:

Buckwoody Egger said:

the data in aggregate can be a net gain with losses distributed across various segments (that is also data). it is not “if the free internet is a net positive then all of the negatives within the internet must be dismissed”

so i am open to hearing viewpoints that, even if they are observationally skewed, remind me of the breadth and situational diversity at hand. as humans it’s easy to get tunnel vision.  

I’m all for looking at any kind of data, but it needs to be viewed in context.  

It costs money to educate a child, whether they’re undocumented or not.  Is that a loss?  Or should we consider the long term benefits of how an educated person can contribute to our society?

It costs money to put people who are fresh off a boat into a hotel.  Is that a loss compared to insisting they stay out on the streets?  

If basic dignity costs money, should we still consider it a loss?

What is the cost of lies?

just wondering how many generations will live in that hotel ..........   

Maybe here's your answer:

https://www.mass.gov/news/governor-healey-announces-successful-closure-of-all-hotel-shelters-ends-state-of-emergency

school starts in a couple weeks, ill wait and see if the bus stop is gone......theres no place for these families to move to in this particular town, lawrence next door has the projects that were put up in the 50's thru 70's that are basically full,  new ones there are now being built in old mill buildings but are years away. only place i can think of putting these families is in the elderly assisted living apartments but that would not work well with those already living there.

going to school where they are now in methuen is so much better than going in the city of lawrence which is probably where they get moved too. 

JohnInCarolina

fishlessman said:

JohnInCarolina said:

fishlessman said:

JohnInCarolina said:

Buckwoody Egger said:

the data in aggregate can be a net gain with losses distributed across various segments (that is also data). it is not “if the free internet is a net positive then all of the negatives within the internet must be dismissed”

so i am open to hearing viewpoints that, even if they are observationally skewed, remind me of the breadth and situational diversity at hand. as humans it’s easy to get tunnel vision.  

I’m all for looking at any kind of data, but it needs to be viewed in context.  

It costs money to educate a child, whether they’re undocumented or not.  Is that a loss?  Or should we consider the long term benefits of how an educated person can contribute to our society?

It costs money to put people who are fresh off a boat into a hotel.  Is that a loss compared to insisting they stay out on the streets?  

If basic dignity costs money, should we still consider it a loss?

What is the cost of lies?

just wondering how many generations will live in that hotel ..........   

Maybe here's your answer:

https://www.mass.gov/news/governor-healey-announces-successful-closure-of-all-hotel-shelters-ends-state-of-emergency

school starts in a couple weeks, ill wait and see if the bus stop is gone......theres no place for these families to move to in this particular town, lawrence next door has the projects that were put up in the 50's thru 70's that are basically full,  new ones there are now being built in old mill buildings but are years away. only place i can think of putting these families is in the elderly assisted living apartments but that would not work well with those already living there.

going to school where they are now in methuen is so much better than going in the city of lawrence which is probably where they get moved too. 

You seem to be under the assumption that the majority of them won't be able to find work, pay rent, etc.  

Maybe that's more correct these days than it used to be, what with ICE roaming the streets every day.  It's a shame.  

JohnInCarolina

Hey maybe Trump will find them all some jobs on farms!  



And in hotels!  And in kitchens!

Wait a minute…

fishlessman

JohnInCarolina said:

fishlessman said:

JohnInCarolina said:

fishlessman said:

JohnInCarolina said:

Buckwoody Egger said:

the data in aggregate can be a net gain with losses distributed across various segments (that is also data). it is not “if the free internet is a net positive then all of the negatives within the internet must be dismissed”

so i am open to hearing viewpoints that, even if they are observationally skewed, remind me of the breadth and situational diversity at hand. as humans it’s easy to get tunnel vision.  

I’m all for looking at any kind of data, but it needs to be viewed in context.  

It costs money to educate a child, whether they’re undocumented or not.  Is that a loss?  Or should we consider the long term benefits of how an educated person can contribute to our society?

It costs money to put people who are fresh off a boat into a hotel.  Is that a loss compared to insisting they stay out on the streets?  

If basic dignity costs money, should we still consider it a loss?

What is the cost of lies?

just wondering how many generations will live in that hotel ..........   

Maybe here's your answer:

https://www.mass.gov/news/governor-healey-announces-successful-closure-of-all-hotel-shelters-ends-state-of-emergency

school starts in a couple weeks, ill wait and see if the bus stop is gone......theres no place for these families to move to in this particular town, lawrence next door has the projects that were put up in the 50's thru 70's that are basically full,  new ones there are now being built in old mill buildings but are years away. only place i can think of putting these families is in the elderly assisted living apartments but that would not work well with those already living there.

going to school where they are now in methuen is so much better than going in the city of lawrence which is probably where they get moved too. 

You seem to be under the assumption that the majority of them won't be able to find work, pay rent, etc.  

Maybe that's more correct these days than it used to be, what with ICE roaming the streets every day.  It's a shame.  

rent for a one bedroom is 2k, a 3 bedroom is 3.5k.  i cant pay that, raise a family and add, health expenses, food, heat......

JohnInCarolina

fishlessman said:

JohnInCarolina said:

fishlessman said:

JohnInCarolina said:

fishlessman said:

JohnInCarolina said:

Buckwoody Egger said:

the data in aggregate can be a net gain with losses distributed across various segments (that is also data). it is not “if the free internet is a net positive then all of the negatives within the internet must be dismissed”

so i am open to hearing viewpoints that, even if they are observationally skewed, remind me of the breadth and situational diversity at hand. as humans it’s easy to get tunnel vision.  

I’m all for looking at any kind of data, but it needs to be viewed in context.  

It costs money to educate a child, whether they’re undocumented or not.  Is that a loss?  Or should we consider the long term benefits of how an educated person can contribute to our society?

It costs money to put people who are fresh off a boat into a hotel.  Is that a loss compared to insisting they stay out on the streets?  

If basic dignity costs money, should we still consider it a loss?

What is the cost of lies?

just wondering how many generations will live in that hotel ..........   

Maybe here's your answer:

https://www.mass.gov/news/governor-healey-announces-successful-closure-of-all-hotel-shelters-ends-state-of-emergency

school starts in a couple weeks, ill wait and see if the bus stop is gone......theres no place for these families to move to in this particular town, lawrence next door has the projects that were put up in the 50's thru 70's that are basically full,  new ones there are now being built in old mill buildings but are years away. only place i can think of putting these families is in the elderly assisted living apartments but that would not work well with those already living there.

going to school where they are now in methuen is so much better than going in the city of lawrence which is probably where they get moved too. 

You seem to be under the assumption that the majority of them won't be able to find work, pay rent, etc.  

Maybe that's more correct these days than it used to be, what with ICE roaming the streets every day.  It's a shame.  

rent for a one bedroom is 2k, a 3 bedroom is 3.5k.  i cant pay that, raise a family and add, health expenses, food, heat......

Tell me you've never spent any time with undocumented immigrants without telling me you've never spent any time with undocumented immigrants...

 

fishlessman

JohnInCarolina said:

fishlessman said:

JohnInCarolina said:

fishlessman said:

JohnInCarolina said:

fishlessman said:

JohnInCarolina said:

Buckwoody Egger said:

the data in aggregate can be a net gain with losses distributed across various segments (that is also data). it is not “if the free internet is a net positive then all of the negatives within the internet must be dismissed”

so i am open to hearing viewpoints that, even if they are observationally skewed, remind me of the breadth and situational diversity at hand. as humans it’s easy to get tunnel vision.  

I’m all for looking at any kind of data, but it needs to be viewed in context.  

It costs money to educate a child, whether they’re undocumented or not.  Is that a loss?  Or should we consider the long term benefits of how an educated person can contribute to our society?

It costs money to put people who are fresh off a boat into a hotel.  Is that a loss compared to insisting they stay out on the streets?  

If basic dignity costs money, should we still consider it a loss?

What is the cost of lies?

just wondering how many generations will live in that hotel ..........   

Maybe here's your answer:

https://www.mass.gov/news/governor-healey-announces-successful-closure-of-all-hotel-shelters-ends-state-of-emergency

school starts in a couple weeks, ill wait and see if the bus stop is gone......theres no place for these families to move to in this particular town, lawrence next door has the projects that were put up in the 50's thru 70's that are basically full,  new ones there are now being built in old mill buildings but are years away. only place i can think of putting these families is in the elderly assisted living apartments but that would not work well with those already living there.

going to school where they are now in methuen is so much better than going in the city of lawrence which is probably where they get moved too. 

You seem to be under the assumption that the majority of them won't be able to find work, pay rent, etc.  

Maybe that's more correct these days than it used to be, what with ICE roaming the streets every day.  It's a shame.  

rent for a one bedroom is 2k, a 3 bedroom is 3.5k.  i cant pay that, raise a family and add, health expenses, food, heat......

Tell me you've never spent any time with undocumented immigrants without telling me you've never spent any time with undocumented immigrants...

 

you maybe right....maybe these families living for free got 6 figure jobs 3 years ago and are ready to put 300k down on an 800k house.  wishing them luck

JohnInCarolina

fishlessman said:

JohnInCarolina said:

fishlessman said:

JohnInCarolina said:

fishlessman said:

JohnInCarolina said:

fishlessman said:

JohnInCarolina said:

Buckwoody Egger said:

the data in aggregate can be a net gain with losses distributed across various segments (that is also data). it is not “if the free internet is a net positive then all of the negatives within the internet must be dismissed”

so i am open to hearing viewpoints that, even if they are observationally skewed, remind me of the breadth and situational diversity at hand. as humans it’s easy to get tunnel vision.  

I’m all for looking at any kind of data, but it needs to be viewed in context.  

It costs money to educate a child, whether they’re undocumented or not.  Is that a loss?  Or should we consider the long term benefits of how an educated person can contribute to our society?

It costs money to put people who are fresh off a boat into a hotel.  Is that a loss compared to insisting they stay out on the streets?  

If basic dignity costs money, should we still consider it a loss?

What is the cost of lies?

just wondering how many generations will live in that hotel ..........   

Maybe here's your answer:

https://www.mass.gov/news/governor-healey-announces-successful-closure-of-all-hotel-shelters-ends-state-of-emergency

school starts in a couple weeks, ill wait and see if the bus stop is gone......theres no place for these families to move to in this particular town, lawrence next door has the projects that were put up in the 50's thru 70's that are basically full,  new ones there are now being built in old mill buildings but are years away. only place i can think of putting these families is in the elderly assisted living apartments but that would not work well with those already living there.

going to school where they are now in methuen is so much better than going in the city of lawrence which is probably where they get moved too. 

You seem to be under the assumption that the majority of them won't be able to find work, pay rent, etc.  

Maybe that's more correct these days than it used to be, what with ICE roaming the streets every day.  It's a shame.  

rent for a one bedroom is 2k, a 3 bedroom is 3.5k.  i cant pay that, raise a family and add, health expenses, food, heat......

Tell me you've never spent any time with undocumented immigrants without telling me you've never spent any time with undocumented immigrants...

 

you maybe right....maybe these families living for free got 6 figure jobs 3 years ago and are ready to put 300k down on an 800k house.  wishing them luck

You can probably get a sense of how many undocumented people are currently living in your city.  Most places have reasonable estimates for the number they have.  For example, where I live in Durham NC it's around 20,000.  The average rent for a one bedroom here is around $1400k.  So, not quite as high as what you quoted above but still not cheap.

Somehow they've figured it out here though.  We really don't have any free migrant hotels or shelters or whatnot, and we're not just handing out cash to people on the streets. 

I understand you want to believe that these people near you will only be existing off government assistance or whatnot, and there's probably nothing I can write to you that will disabuse you of your priors.  Oh well.  

fishlessman

JohnInCarolina said:

fishlessman said:

JohnInCarolina said:

fishlessman said:

JohnInCarolina said:

fishlessman said:

JohnInCarolina said:

fishlessman said:

JohnInCarolina said:

Buckwoody Egger said:

the data in aggregate can be a net gain with losses distributed across various segments (that is also data). it is not “if the free internet is a net positive then all of the negatives within the internet must be dismissed”

so i am open to hearing viewpoints that, even if they are observationally skewed, remind me of the breadth and situational diversity at hand. as humans it’s easy to get tunnel vision.  

I’m all for looking at any kind of data, but it needs to be viewed in context.  

It costs money to educate a child, whether they’re undocumented or not.  Is that a loss?  Or should we consider the long term benefits of how an educated person can contribute to our society?

It costs money to put people who are fresh off a boat into a hotel.  Is that a loss compared to insisting they stay out on the streets?  

If basic dignity costs money, should we still consider it a loss?

What is the cost of lies?

just wondering how many generations will live in that hotel ..........   

Maybe here's your answer:

https://www.mass.gov/news/governor-healey-announces-successful-closure-of-all-hotel-shelters-ends-state-of-emergency

school starts in a couple weeks, ill wait and see if the bus stop is gone......theres no place for these families to move to in this particular town, lawrence next door has the projects that were put up in the 50's thru 70's that are basically full,  new ones there are now being built in old mill buildings but are years away. only place i can think of putting these families is in the elderly assisted living apartments but that would not work well with those already living there.

going to school where they are now in methuen is so much better than going in the city of lawrence which is probably where they get moved too. 

You seem to be under the assumption that the majority of them won't be able to find work, pay rent, etc.  

Maybe that's more correct these days than it used to be, what with ICE roaming the streets every day.  It's a shame.  

rent for a one bedroom is 2k, a 3 bedroom is 3.5k.  i cant pay that, raise a family and add, health expenses, food, heat......

Tell me you've never spent any time with undocumented immigrants without telling me you've never spent any time with undocumented immigrants...

 

you maybe right....maybe these families living for free got 6 figure jobs 3 years ago and are ready to put 300k down on an 800k house.  wishing them luck

You can probably get a sense of how many undocumented people are currently living in your city.  Most places have reasonable estimates for the number they have.  For example, where I live in Durham NC it's around 20,000.  The average rent for a one bedroom here is around $1400k.  So, not quite as high as what you quoted above but still not cheap.

Somehow they've figured it out here though.  We really don't have any free migrant hotels or shelters or whatnot, and we're not just handing out cash to people on the streets. 

I understand you want to believe that these people near you will only be existing off government assistance or whatnot, and there's probably nothing I can write to you that will disabuse you of your priors.  Oh well.  

86 adults 130 kids was the initial flood into the hotel, we are not as big as durham. normally lawrence takes these situations in. the city was built on it. but the school system sucks, the project areas are crime ridden, and lawrence is basically the drug distribution hub of the north east, literally. thats where these families will end up and its not a place to make a new start in life

JohnInCarolina

fishlessman said:

JohnInCarolina said:

fishlessman said:

JohnInCarolina said:

fishlessman said:

JohnInCarolina said:

fishlessman said:

JohnInCarolina said:

fishlessman said:

JohnInCarolina said:

Buckwoody Egger said:

the data in aggregate can be a net gain with losses distributed across various segments (that is also data). it is not “if the free internet is a net positive then all of the negatives within the internet must be dismissed”

so i am open to hearing viewpoints that, even if they are observationally skewed, remind me of the breadth and situational diversity at hand. as humans it’s easy to get tunnel vision.  

I’m all for looking at any kind of data, but it needs to be viewed in context.  

It costs money to educate a child, whether they’re undocumented or not.  Is that a loss?  Or should we consider the long term benefits of how an educated person can contribute to our society?

It costs money to put people who are fresh off a boat into a hotel.  Is that a loss compared to insisting they stay out on the streets?  

If basic dignity costs money, should we still consider it a loss?

What is the cost of lies?

just wondering how many generations will live in that hotel ..........   

Maybe here's your answer:

https://www.mass.gov/news/governor-healey-announces-successful-closure-of-all-hotel-shelters-ends-state-of-emergency

school starts in a couple weeks, ill wait and see if the bus stop is gone......theres no place for these families to move to in this particular town, lawrence next door has the projects that were put up in the 50's thru 70's that are basically full,  new ones there are now being built in old mill buildings but are years away. only place i can think of putting these families is in the elderly assisted living apartments but that would not work well with those already living there.

going to school where they are now in methuen is so much better than going in the city of lawrence which is probably where they get moved too. 

You seem to be under the assumption that the majority of them won't be able to find work, pay rent, etc.  

Maybe that's more correct these days than it used to be, what with ICE roaming the streets every day.  It's a shame.  

rent for a one bedroom is 2k, a 3 bedroom is 3.5k.  i cant pay that, raise a family and add, health expenses, food, heat......

Tell me you've never spent any time with undocumented immigrants without telling me you've never spent any time with undocumented immigrants...

 

you maybe right....maybe these families living for free got 6 figure jobs 3 years ago and are ready to put 300k down on an 800k house.  wishing them luck

You can probably get a sense of how many undocumented people are currently living in your city.  Most places have reasonable estimates for the number they have.  For example, where I live in Durham NC it's around 20,000.  The average rent for a one bedroom here is around $1400k.  So, not quite as high as what you quoted above but still not cheap.

Somehow they've figured it out here though.  We really don't have any free migrant hotels or shelters or whatnot, and we're not just handing out cash to people on the streets. 

I understand you want to believe that these people near you will only be existing off government assistance or whatnot, and there's probably nothing I can write to you that will disabuse you of your priors.  Oh well.  

86 adults 130 kids was the initial flood into the hotel, we are not as big as durham. normally lawrence takes these situations in. the city was built on it. but the school system sucks, the project areas are crime ridden, and lawrence is basically the drug distribution hub of the north east, literally. thats where these families will end up and its not a place to make a new start in life

Well, you started off complaining about all the money they were costing the city, so perhaps this is progress.  

DoubleEgger

Yet another example of why trickle down economics is a myth. $20B could have “trickled down” to Uber drivers who are barely getting by if they are getting by at all. 

https://www.cnbc.com/2025/08/06/uber-stock-q2-2025-earnings.html

Legume

JohnInCarolina

Botch

Legume said:

So, barron got so tall because he only had three fingers on each hand?  

Gulfcoastguy

He’s also too short in that picture.

JohnInCarolina