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Youtube cooks wearing gloves, handling raw chicken then touching everything in sight

BlueRidgeSmokers
BlueRidgeSmokers Posts: 107
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I've watched a few YT videos where the experts glove up, handle raw chicken, then touch everything in sight. Everything. Including the seasoning bottles, the cooker handles, you name it. So why are they wearing gloves? Obviously to look cool and maybe reduce the desire to wash their hands.

An actual real chef that pays the mortgage (and set kids to school) cooking once told me: glove one hand, handle the raw meat with that one. Leave your other clean hand ungloved to handle everything else. He could not have been more on the target. Once you glove a hand, you can't tell when you've contaminated it, and will contaminate everything around you.

I'm an iceberg of serenity (tm) or I'd comment on these videos; last time I did, the so-called wing king went ballistic and I just deleted my comment (also, his air-fryer wing recipe wasn't good, whatev).


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  • Botch
    Botch Posts: 17,330
    Has anyone here gotten sick from raw chicken (knowingly)?  Does anyone here know of someone who's gotten sick?  Anyone ever read about anyone getting sick from raw chicken?
    I'm not saying it hasn't happened, but I just can't name a single concrete example.  And I grew up watching Julia flopping raw chickens all over the place, and she lived into her 90's.  Just a mini-subject that I'd really like to see some hard statistics on...
     
    WRT food video mistakes, most EweTubers (including a few of my favorites) do this: when they spatchcock a chicken, whether by knife or shears, almost all of them march up the side of the spine and perfectly bisect  the oyster!  So half "may" get eaten in the final dish, while the other half will flavor some freezer-burned stock sometime in the future, maybe.  It bugs me.  
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  • BlueRidgeSmokers
    BlueRidgeSmokers Posts: 107
    I can't trace most instances of what was certainly food-borne illness for me to the source, but, at my advanced age, I'm sure chicken was at the root of a few. On the other hand, the things that make chicken dangerous, also reduce the profit of chicken farms, so there's a good business reason to keep us healthy, right?


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  • paqman
    paqman Posts: 4,919
    Botch said:
    Has anyone here gotten sick from raw chicken (knowingly)?  Does anyone here know of someone who's gotten sick?  Anyone ever read about anyone getting sick from raw chicken?
    I'm not saying it hasn't happened, but I just can't name a single concrete example.  And I grew up watching Julia flopping raw chickens all over the place, and she lived into her 90's.  Just a mini-subject that I'd really like to see some hard statistics on...
     
    WRT food video mistakes, most EweTubers (including a few of my favorites) do this: when they spatchcock a chicken, whether by knife or shears, almost all of them march up the side of the spine and perfectly bisect  the oyster!  So half "may" get eaten in the final dish, while the other half will flavor some freezer-burned stock sometime in the future, maybe.  It bugs me.  
    yes, salmonellosis is not fun…

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  • Buckwoody Egger
    Buckwoody Egger Posts: 1,466
    edited July 2023
    Agree and also see this watching the line at Waffle House.  If the illness probability was 100% it would be a different ballgame but it’s not.  Getting away with it is very common without penalty. Flashback to Covid mask debacles unavoidable. 
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  • Canugghead
    Canugghead Posts: 13,630
    edited July 2023
    nvm
    canuckland
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  • fishlessman
    fishlessman Posts: 34,552
    so you would not eat raw chicken from a vending machine =)

    Vending machine serving up chicken sashimi delicacy installed in Japans Kagoshima Pref - The Mainichi



    fukahwee maine

    you can lead a fish to water but you can not make him drink it
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  • HeavyG
    HeavyG Posts: 10,380
    The chicken is lightly roasted and the vending machine maintains a temperature of 5°C (only just a skosh into the temp "danger zone") so...Yes!

    It's not like it's vending machine fugu. :)


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  • BlueRidgeSmokers
    BlueRidgeSmokers Posts: 107
    fishlessman said:
    so you would not eat raw chicken from a vending machine =)

    Vending machine serving up chicken sashimi delicacy installed in Japans Kagoshima Pref - The Mainichi



    I like to think I'm open-minded and generally will try any food.

    Not sure about this one, though.

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  • fishlessman
    fishlessman Posts: 34,552
    The ten second sear is something new, traditionally it's just raw .  Not sure ten seconds kills much
    fukahwee maine

    you can lead a fish to water but you can not make him drink it
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  • Botch
    Botch Posts: 17,330
    fishlessman said:
    The ten second sear is something new, traditionally it's just raw .  Not sure ten seconds kills much
    It doesn't kill much, but it kills at the right spot (the freshly-cut spots).  I dunno.  
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  • Canugghead
    Canugghead Posts: 13,630
    FWIW, Chinese bbq almost got banned permanently in the GWN because it's stored in the 40-140 danger zone all day.

    https://acam.arts.ubc.ca/under-fire-by-christy-fong-and-denise-fong/#:~:text=This documentary short brings you,, provincial, and federal legislation.
    canuckland
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  • fishlessman
    fishlessman Posts: 34,552
    im still thinking this is a bar room bet or something best served on tiktok

    How Can You Eat Raw Eggs and Raw Chicken in Japan and Not Die


    fukahwee maine

    you can lead a fish to water but you can not make him drink it
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  • fishlessman
    fishlessman Posts: 34,552
    Botch said:
    Has anyone here gotten sick from raw chicken (knowingly)?  Does anyone here know of someone who's gotten sick?  Anyone ever read about anyone getting sick from raw chicken?
    I'm not saying it hasn't happened, but I just can't name a single concrete example.  And I grew up watching Julia flopping raw chickens all over the place, and she lived into her 90's.  Just a mini-subject that I'd really like to see some hard statistics on...
     
    WRT food video mistakes, most EweTubers (including a few of my favorites) do this: when they spatchcock a chicken, whether by knife or shears, almost all of them march up the side of the spine and perfectly bisect  the oyster!  So half "may" get eaten in the final dish, while the other half will flavor some freezer-burned stock sometime in the future, maybe.  It bugs me.  

    knowing how i am with food prep and storage, ive always wondered what others were doing to give me food poisoning......
    fukahwee maine

    you can lead a fish to water but you can not make him drink it
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  • lkapigian
    lkapigian Posts: 11,549
    Botch said:
    Has anyone here gotten sick from raw chicken (knowingly)?  Does anyone here know of someone who's gotten sick?  Anyone ever read about anyone getting sick from raw chicken?
    I'm not saying it hasn't happened, but I just can't name a single concrete example.  And I grew up watching Julia flopping raw chickens all over the place, and she lived into her 90's.  Just a mini-subject that I'd really like to see some hard statistics on...
     

    I feel the same way about the fear of Botulism in Fermented Salamis,I'd be more concerned about Salad and Botulism 
    Visalia, Ca @lkapigian
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  • StillH2OEgger
    StillH2OEgger Posts: 3,893
    fishlessman said:
    im still thinking this is a bar room bet or something best served on tiktok

    How Can You Eat Raw Eggs and Raw Chicken in Japan and Not Die


    Who doesn't like chicken tartare?
    Stillwater, MN
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  • HeavyG
    HeavyG Posts: 10,380
    All joking aside, it's really simple to pasteurize foods via sous vide so you could eat all the "raw" chicken (if it has been pasteurized is it technically still raw??) you want quite safely.

    OTOH that takes the thrill and sense of derring-do out of it I guess.  ¯\_(ツ)_/¯


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  • BlueRidgeSmokers
    BlueRidgeSmokers Posts: 107

    Interesting thought - 6 hours at 130F, I wonder what the chicken texture would be like.
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  • Botch
    Botch Posts: 17,330
    HeavyG said:
    All joking aside, it's really simple to pasteurize foods via sous vide so you could eat all the "raw" chicken (if it has been pasteurized is it technically still raw??) you want quite safely.
    We could've been sterilizing meats, milk, and veggies, for many years now by simply irradiating them, greatly increasing their shelf life/safety.  But certain experts scream bloody murder, and I love talking to them:
     
    Me: if we irradiated our food, it would last so much longer and be safer.
    Them: AAAHHHHH!!  No, we'll get cancer and mutate!
    Me: Have you ever put on a Band-Aid?
    Them: Well, duh; of course I have!
    Me: Have you ever read the print on the wrapper, "Guaranteed Sterile Until Opened?"
    Them: Uh...
    Me: Do you know how those Band-Aids were sterilized?
    Them: ICAN'THEARYOULAALAALAAOHSAYCANYOUSEE!
    Me: Yes, they've always been sterilized via irradiating.  And you've been topping your open wounds with them.  
    Them: They've either run, left the chat, hung up, or started swinging something heavy/sharp in my direction.  
    "First method of estimating the intelligence of a ruler is to look at the men he has around him."
           - Niccolo Machiavelli

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  • JohnInCarolina
    JohnInCarolina Posts: 34,663
    Botch said:
    HeavyG said:
    All joking aside, it's really simple to pasteurize foods via sous vide so you could eat all the "raw" chicken (if it has been pasteurized is it technically still raw??) you want quite safely.
    We could've been sterilizing meats, milk, and veggies, for many years now by simply irradiating them, greatly increasing their shelf life/safety.  But certain experts scream bloody murder, and I love talking to them:
     
    Me: if we irradiated our food, it would last so much longer and be safer.
    Them: AAAHHHHH!!  No, we'll get cancer and mutate!
    Me: Have you ever put on a Band-Aid?
    Them: Well, duh; of course I have!
    Me: Have you ever read the print on the wrapper, "Guaranteed Sterile Until Opened?"
    Them: Uh...
    Me: Do you know how those Band-Aids were sterilized?
    Them: ICAN'THEARYOULAALAALAAOHSAYCANYOUSEE!
    Me: Yes, they've always been sterilized via irradiating.  And you've been topping your open wounds with them.  
    Them: They've either run, left the chat, hung up, or started swinging something heavy/sharp in my direction.  
    That’s interesting, Botch.  I’d never really thought of this before. Do you know if any studies have been done on the safety of irradiated foods for human consumption?  
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  • fishlessman
    fishlessman Posts: 34,552
    are band aides safe.  i remember when they took the good iodine off the market and started giving us the lousy mercurochrome. then that stupid sticky gel crap that would load up with dirt
    fukahwee maine

    you can lead a fish to water but you can not make him drink it
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  • fishlessman
    fishlessman Posts: 34,552
    HeavyG said:
    All joking aside, it's really simple to pasteurize foods via sous vide so you could eat all the "raw" chicken (if it has been pasteurized is it technically still raw??) you want quite safely.

    OTOH that takes the thrill and sense of derring-do out of it I guess.  ¯\_(ツ)_/¯



    about 20 years ago there were still high end restaurants in nyc offering raw chicken right off the farm. a supermarket bird would probably kill you but i remember my future brother inlaw eating a raw chicken casserole that wasnt to be cooked til the next day for a family reunion without problems, maybe mayo kills off the bad stuff
    fukahwee maine

    you can lead a fish to water but you can not make him drink it
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  • lkapigian
    lkapigian Posts: 11,549
    edited July 2023
    2-3 % salt, lower water activity, eat all the uncooked proteins you desire , and it’s delicious

    foods with unsaturated fats spoil quicker , chicken and fish have a higher PH ( lower acidity )more water than beef and are higher in unsaturated fats 
    Visalia, Ca @lkapigian
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  • Botch
    Botch Posts: 17,330
    JohnInCarolina said:
    That’s interesting, Botch.  I’d never really thought of this before. Do you know if any studies have been done on the safety of irradiated foods for human consumption?  
    There were, there was a push to start doing this but it was about 20, 30 years ago.  Siri just gave me this:
    https://www.cdc.gov/foodsafety/communication/food-irradiation.html

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