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  • HeavyG
    HeavyG Posts: 10,380
    “Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away.” ― Philip K. Diçk




  • lousubcap
    lousubcap Posts: 33,859
    Now, the above tweets present some interesting information (I don't do twitter but appreciate those who provide the material here).  Nothing like some internal strife to address while trying to get the best of Ukraine  some 16 months into that objective. Hang on!
    Louisville; Rolling smoke in the neighbourhood. # 38 for the win.  Life is too short for light/lite beer!  Seems I'm livin in a transitional period.
  • Legume
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  • HeavyG
    HeavyG Posts: 10,380
    “Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away.” ― Philip K. Diçk




  • HeavyG
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  • dmchicago
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  • JohnInCarolina
    JohnInCarolina Posts: 32,484
    "I've made a note never to piss you two off." - Stike
  • HeavyG
    HeavyG Posts: 10,380
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  • Gulfcoastguy
    Gulfcoastguy Posts: 6,705
    Well I expected something eventually. I thought Putin would have a 9mm aneurysm though.
  • lousubcap
    lousubcap Posts: 33,859
    It ain't over til its over and I'm not yet ready to buy the permanent pause from Wagner. 
    Louisville; Rolling smoke in the neighbourhood. # 38 for the win.  Life is too short for light/lite beer!  Seems I'm livin in a transitional period.
  • lousubcap
    lousubcap Posts: 33,859
    Today's Russia-Ukraine update will be delayed as I will be off the grid all morning (following this) and perhaps til late in the day.
    Louisville; Rolling smoke in the neighbourhood. # 38 for the win.  Life is too short for light/lite beer!  Seems I'm livin in a transitional period.
  • lousubcap
    lousubcap Posts: 33,859
    Things went much quicker than expected so here you go:
    Monday Russia-Ukraine update:

    U.S. intelligence officials saw signs that Yevgeny Prigozhin, chief of the paramilitary organization Wagner group, was preparing for armed action within Russia. Prigozhin’s known preparations included massing weapons and ammunition. One source familiar with the intelligence said, “It all happened very quickly,” making it difficult to determine how serious Prigozhin was about threatening the Russian military. Part of the justification that Prigozhin gave for his armed action was bad leadership and corruption among Russia’s top military officials. Prigozhin specifically called for Russia’s military chiefs, Sergei Shoigu, and Valery Gerasimov, to be removed. Natasha Bertrand, Alex Marquardt, Jim Sciutto, and Kylie Atwood report for CNN

    Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu made his first public appearance inspecting troops in Ukraine today in a bid to project order after Yevgeny Prigozhin led an armed action demanding Shoigu’s removal over the weekend. Neither President Vladimir Putin nor Prigozhin have made any public appearances since the armed action. AP News reports. 

    While the armed action inside Russia is unlikely to impact the Ukrainian counter-offensive in the short term, the Ukrainian military may be able to capitalize on the chaos and weakened morale. The paramilitary organization’s forces were instrumental in Russia’s advances in Ukraine, and if they are no longer operational, this may benefit Ukraine on the battlefield. However, U.S. officials said it is too soon to determine the long-term implications of the armed action. Julian E. Barnes and Thomas Gibbons-Neff report for the New York Times

    The armed action in Russia presents Kyiv and the West with the prospect that instability in Moscow will make the Ukraine conflict even deadlier as leaders vie for power. The United States and its allies may now have to grapple with a more chaotic Russia. Kremlin infighting could also lead President Vladimir Putin to take more extreme measures to demonstrate his control. Daniel Michaels reports for the Wall Street Journal

    Roskomnadzor, the Russian federal agency responsible for controlling and censoring mass media, has blocked access to Yevgeny Prigozhin’s company page. The notice on the website says the “material was blocked at the request of Roskomnadzor on the basis of the decision of the General Prosecutor’s Office of the Russian Federation dated June 24, 2023 No. 27-31-2023/Treb431-23.” Adam Schrader reports for UPI

    While Ukraine has reclaimed additional territory from Russian forces along the southern frontline, the situation on the battlefield has mainly remained the same over the past week, Ukraine Deputy Defense Minister Hanna Maliar said today. Pavel Polityuk reports for Reuters

    The 36,000 Ukrainian soldiers equipped and trained by the United States and its NATO allies are beginning to enter the fight. The deployment of these troops may be pivotal in a counter-offensive that has lacked significant progress. Helene Cooper and Eric Schmitt report for the New York Times

    Louisville; Rolling smoke in the neighbourhood. # 38 for the win.  Life is too short for light/lite beer!  Seems I'm livin in a transitional period.
  • lousubcap
    lousubcap Posts: 33,859
    More on Russia-Ukraine today:

    "A one-day armed mutiny/coup attempt has shaken up how the world views Russian power. The leader of Russia's convict-mercenary group Wagner sent his troops and tanks racing toward Moscow this weekend after alleging Russian military attacked his forces inside Ukraine. Authorities in Moscow now appear desperate to project calm and normalcy after what some historians are calling the most serious threat to the Kremlin since the failed August coup of 1991.

    Rewind: Prigozhin and his men had crossed back into Russia from Ukraine and purportedly seized control of the city of Rostov-on-Don—racing to Moscow to punish Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu and top general Valery Gerasimov. 

    Perhaps most notably for Shoigu and Gerasimov, no one in Russia's military stopped the Wagner convoys as they rolled through Rostov-on-Don and northward to Russia's capital, seeming to catch the Kremlin unprepared. By this time, Russia's FSB intelligence agency said it "launched a criminal case over [Prigozhin's] calls for an armed uprising," and demanded a stop to what it called "unlawful actions." And Wagner troops do not seem to have believed they were bluffing as they marched to the capital city. 

    One particularly startling detail: Wagner fighters reportedly shot down six Russian helicopters and even a plane that had been sent to stop them advancing to Moscow. Officials reportedly dug up portions of roads and placed obstacles in the path of Wagner's tanks, which plowed right over many of them. Troops were staged outside of Moscow, too, in anticipation of some sort of violent confrontation. The city's mayor declared Monday a day off from work for residents around the city. 

    And the man supposed to be in charge? A tense-looking Vladimir Putin released his own video message on Saturday, referencing Russia's revolution in 1917 and calling Wagner's sprint to the capital a "criminal adventure," a "serious crime," and "an armed rebellion."

    Shortly afterward, the leader of Belarus announced a surprise truce to ease tensions. That alleged deal brokered by Alexander Lukashenko allows Wagner's leader and some of his men to exile in neighboring Belarus and face no criminal prosecution in Russia. It also supposedly requires other Wagner mercenaries to become regular Russian Army soldiers. And so almost as quickly as it seemed to begin, it was all over. "

    Louisville; Rolling smoke in the neighbourhood. # 38 for the win.  Life is too short for light/lite beer!  Seems I'm livin in a transitional period.
  • Botch
    Botch Posts: 16,196
    It's fascinating to follow a series of late-breaking news about a fast-moving situation, from many news sources simultaneously.  
    I've seen reports that Shoigu, Gerasimov, and Putin had all fled Moscow, that Shoigu is now giving pep talks to Russian troops in Ukraine, and that Wagner is re-forming in Belarus.  
    I'd really like to know what most russian citizens know about what's going on.  There's a reason that authoritarians, dictators, despots, and wanna-be despots, do everything they can to crush the free press.  
    Pass the popcorn.    
    ___________

    "When small men begin to cast big shadows, it means that the sun is about to set."

    - Lin Yutang


  • lousubcap
    lousubcap Posts: 33,859
    Tuesday Russia -  Ukraine update:

    The paramilitary organization Wagner group chief Yevgeny Prigozhin remains under Russian investigation for his armed action, despite the Kremlin saying criminal charges had been dropped. In his first message since Saturday, Prigozhin said his group had merely aimed to “avoid the destruction of Wagner.” Laurence Peter reports for BBC News

    Russian President Vladimir Putin has called regular Wagner troops “patriots” who would be allowed to join the army, go to Belarus, or return home while accusing the leaders of the armed action of wanting “to see Russia choked in bloody strife.” James Gregory and Sarah Rainsford report for BBC News.

    The United States and its allies had “nothing to do with” the armed action in Russia, President Biden said yesterday. Biden also said he had convened a conference call to coordinate with some of the United States’ key allies over the weekend, who agreed to give Russian President Vladimir Putin “no excuse to blame this on the West or to blame this on NATO.” Biden cautioned that it was “still too early to reach a definitive conclusion about where this is going.” Anushka Patil and Michael Crowley report for the New York Times

    U.S. intelligence officials gathered an extraordinarily detailed and accurate picture of paramilitary organization Wagner group chief Yevgeny Prigozhin’s plans leading up to his short-lived armed action, including where and how Wagner was planning to advance, sources familiar with the matter have said. That intelligence was so closely held that it was shared only with select allies, including senior British officials, and not at the broader NATO level. Sharing the information more broadly would have risked compromising especially sensitive sources and methods, sources explained. Natasha Bertrand, Alex Marquardt, Kylie Atwood, and Kevin Liptak report for CNN.

    The United States and its allies are struggling to make sense of the armed action in Russia over the weekend. Officials are trying to understand the implications of the armed action for Ukraine’s counter-offensive and the stability of the political system in Russia. Some have called into question the longevity of the truce that paramilitary organization Wagner group chief Yevgeny Prigozhin and Russian President Vladimir Putin appeared to strike over the weekend. Shane Harris, Michael Birnbaum, Greg Miller, John Hudson, and Amy B Wang report for the Washington Post.

    Ukraine’s Defense Ministry yesterday said its forces had taken the village of Rivnopil in the western Donetsk region as Kyiv looks to take advantage of the confusion in Russia in the wake of paramilitary organization Wagner group’s armed action over the weekend. Matthew Luxmoore reports for the Wall Street Journal

    The Pentagon is set to announce up to $500 million in military aid for Ukraine today, including more than 50 heavily armored vehicles and an infusion of missiles for air defense systems, U.S. officials said yesterday. Lolita C. Baldor and Matthew Lee report for AP News. "

    Louisville; Rolling smoke in the neighbourhood. # 38 for the win.  Life is too short for light/lite beer!  Seems I'm livin in a transitional period.
  • lousubcap
    lousubcap Posts: 33,859
    Wednesday Russia-Ukraine update:

    "Chief of the paramilitary organization Wagner group, Yevgeny Prigozhin, arrived in Belarus yesterday, Belarusian President Alexander Lukashenko has confirmed. Lukashenko said that Wagner could help the Belarusian military by sharing their experience, tactics, and weapons. NATO members Poland, Latvia, and Lithuania have warned that Wagner’s arrival in Belarus could spell trouble for them. Paul Kirby reports for BBC News

    Russia’s domestic intelligence agency yesterday said it was dropping “armed mutiny” criminal charges against Yevgeny Prigozhin and members of his paramilitary organization Wagner group. The Russian Defense Ministry announced that the mercenary group’s fighters were preparing to hand over military equipment to the army. Valerie Hopkins reports for the New York Times

    Belarusian President Alexander Lukashenko yesterday said he stopped Russian President Vladimir Putin from making a “harsh decision.” His assertion suggests that Putin planned to kill Yevgeny Prigozhin. Robyn Dixon and Mary Ilyushina report for the Washington Post

    General Sergei Surovikin, the former top Russian commander in Ukraine, knew of Yevgeny Prigozhin’s plans for armed action against Russia’s military leadership, according to U.S. officials. This revelation has prompted questions about what support Prigozhin had inside Russia’s leadership. U.S. officials also said other Russian generals may have supported Prigozhin’s attempt to change the leadership of the Defense Ministry by force. Julian E. Barnes, Helene Cooper, and Eric Schmitt report for the New York Times.

    The armed action in Russia may increase the bipartisan pressure to spend more on aid to Ukraine, even if that means breaking the debt limit deal that capped defense funding at the administration’s request of $886 billion. Bipartisan support for further arming Kyiv runs deep in Congress. However, there are vocal conservatives, and some progressives, that oppose more U.S. aid. Joe Gould, Connor O’Brien, Lee Hudson, and Paul Mcleary report for POLITICO.

    Ukrainian forces are “highly likely” to have recaptured land in the country’s eastern Donbas region, occupied by Russia since 2014, the U.K. Ministry of Defence said yesterday. Ukraine’s President Volodymyr Zelenskyy said his country’s counter-offensive was advancing on all fronts. Alys Davies reports for BBC News. "


    Louisville; Rolling smoke in the neighbourhood. # 38 for the win.  Life is too short for light/lite beer!  Seems I'm livin in a transitional period.
  • fishlessman
    fishlessman Posts: 33,389
    does anyone find it odd that wagner is now in belarus, thats where i would put them if i were putin
    fukahwee maine

    you can lead a fish to water but you can not make him drink it
  • lousubcap
    lousubcap Posts: 33,859
    Thursday Russia-Ukraine update:

    "Russian President Vladimir Putin fueled speculation about a broader crackdown on supporters of Yevgeny Prigozhin, chief of the paramilitary organization Wagner group, this week. Several unverified reports by pro-war Russian blogs suggested that the authorities were investigating military service members with ties to Prigozhin. Gen. Sergei Surovikin, a senior military official, is said to have known about, and possibly supported, the armed action in advance. Anton Troianovski reports for the New York Times

    Satellite imagery shows that Belarus is rapidly building what appear to be temporary structures at an abandoned military base, revealing a possible location for the paramilitary organization Wagner group troops who chose to relocate to Belarus after the failed armed action in Russia. Christoph Koettl, Riley Mellen, and Dmitriy Khavin report for the New York Times

    President Biden used a diplomatic backchannel to Moscow to reassure Russian President Vladimir Putin that the United States had nothing to do with the armed action, which the White House views as an internal Russian matter. In the wake of the armed action, Biden sought an agreement with other NATO leaders that the West would be best served by remaining mostly silent. Eli Stokols, Jonathan Lemire, and Lauren Egan report for POLITICO

    Leaders of NATO members Estonia and Poland yesterday warned of the dangers of the paramilitary organization Wagner group’s potential relocation to Belarus. “Belarus is unpredictable and dangerous, and this has not changed,” Kaja Kallas, Estonia’s prime minister, said. Polish President Andrzej Duda said the Wagner presence in Belarus threatened NATO’s eastern-flank allies. Cora Engelbrecht and Steven Erlanger report for the New York Times

    Russia has assured the paramilitary organization Wagner group’s client states that its services would continue without interruption as Russia tries to take control of its operations. Wagner operates in numerous nations in Africa and the Middle East. Around 6,000 Wagner personnel work outside Russia and Ukraine, from defending mines, oil wells, and politicians to combat operations. Benoit Faucon, Joe Parkinson, and Drew Hinshaw report for the Wall Street Journal."

    Louisville; Rolling smoke in the neighbourhood. # 38 for the win.  Life is too short for light/lite beer!  Seems I'm livin in a transitional period.
  • lousubcap
    lousubcap Posts: 33,859
    More on Russia and the Wagner Group:

    "Russia's military is reportedly taking control of the mutinous Wagner mercenary organization, including the group's overseas operations in Africa and Syria, according to the Wall Street Journal, reporting Wednesday.

    Russian authorities have also reportedly detained a top general, Sergey Surovikin, commander of the Aerospace Forces, over allegations he knew about but did not stop the Wagner "baby coup" last weekend, several outlets reported over the past 24 hours, including the Moscow Times, and the Financial Times

    Surovikin is the general that U.S. officials allege likely colluded with Wagner chief,Yevgeny Prigozhin, according to the New York Times, reporting Tuesday. According to the Washington-based Institute for the Study of War, "If Russian authorities did arrest Surovikin then the Kremlin will likely use Surovikin and his affiliates as scapegoats to publicly explain why the Russian military and Russian internal security apparatuses responded poorly to the rebellion and to justify a potential overhaul of the Russian military leadership.""

    Louisville; Rolling smoke in the neighbourhood. # 38 for the win.  Life is too short for light/lite beer!  Seems I'm livin in a transitional period.
  • Legume
    Legume Posts: 15,173
    does anyone find it odd that wagner is now in belarus, thats where i would put them if i were putin
    I think he told them to stand down and stand by.
    Love you bro!
  • lousubcap
    lousubcap Posts: 33,859
    Friday Russia-Ukraine-Wagner update:

    "Russian authorities appear to have detained Sergei Surovikin, a top general, under suspicion that he was involved in planning the armed action, U.S. officials, citing early intelligence reports, said. U.S. officials cautioned that the reports were inconclusive and that the circumstances surrounding Surovikin remain unclear. Helene Cooper, Julian E. Barnes, and Eric Schmitt report for the New York Times

    The Biden administration asked Ukraine not to conduct covert attacks inside Russia during the paramilitary organization Wagner group’s armed action, according to U.S. officials. Ukraine was advised not to do anything that would influence the outcome of events or take advantage of the chaos. The United States’ efforts to be seen as uninvolved appear to have succeeded, as Russian officials recently began to signal that they did not believe the West was behind the armed action. Julian E. Barnes, Eric Schmitt, and Anton Troianovski report for the New York Times.

    The Ukrainian counter-offensive has focused on long-distance strikes rather than advancing troops and Western tanks, as Ukraine faces stiff Russian resistance. Ukrainian forces are using long-range Western weapons to hit Russian supply lines deep in occupied territory, as well as cheaper weaponry to soften the front line. Ian Lovett reports for the Wall Street Journal

    Ukrainian forces scattered thousands of antipersonnel mines last year, violating the 1997 Mine Ban Treaty, which Ukraine has signed, according to a Human Rights Watch report. Russia, which has not signed the treaty, has used antipersonnel mines extensively. Human Rights Watch reports. 

    A satellite communications system used by the Russian military was offline following a cyberattack late Wednesday and remained mostly offline yesterday. At least two groups claimed responsibility for the attack, one is a “hacktivist” organization, and the other said it is part of the paramilitary organization Wagner group. Joseph Menn reports for the Washington Post.

    The Biden administration is actively considering sending cluster munitions to Ukraine, two U.S. officials and a person familiar with the debate said. While the United States is not a signatory state of the 2010 Convention on Cluster Munitions which bans their use, Congress has restricted Washington’s ability to transfer cluster munitions, citing the risk to civilians. Alexander Ward reports for POLITICO. "

    Louisville; Rolling smoke in the neighbourhood. # 38 for the win.  Life is too short for light/lite beer!  Seems I'm livin in a transitional period.
  • JohnInCarolina
    JohnInCarolina Posts: 32,484
  • lousubcap
    lousubcap Posts: 33,859
    Being a non twitter person, I can't access the above link. 
    BTW-I normally have no issues.  Perhaps the end has arrived.  B)
    Louisville; Rolling smoke in the neighbourhood. # 38 for the win.  Life is too short for light/lite beer!  Seems I'm livin in a transitional period.
  • JohnInCarolina
    JohnInCarolina Posts: 32,484
    lousubcap said:
    Being a non twitter person, I can't access the above link. 
    BTW-I normally have no issues.  Perhaps the end has arrived.  B)

    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/justice-department/jan-6-defendant-arrested-obamas-home-guns-400-rounds-ammunition-van-rcna92094


    "I've made a note never to piss you two off." - Stike
  • lousubcap
    lousubcap Posts: 33,859
    @JohnInCarolina I had seen that earlier today but thanks for the link. 
    We are in a downward spiral with no endpoint in sight.
    Very disturbing and sad at the same time. 
    Louisville; Rolling smoke in the neighbourhood. # 38 for the win.  Life is too short for light/lite beer!  Seems I'm livin in a transitional period.
  • lousubcap
    lousubcap Posts: 33,859
    Momday Russia-Ukraine update:

    "William J. Burns, the C.I.A. director, called Sergei Naryshkin, the leader of Russia’s foreign intelligence service, after last week’s armed action to assure the Kremlin that the United States had no involvement in it, according to a U.S. official. Sergey Lavrov, the Russian foreign minister, has appeared to accept that the United States was not involved, noting that the United States also urged Ukraine to refrain from trying to take advantage of the rebellion. Julian E. Barnes reports for the New York Times

    The Russian government is moving to take control of Yevgeny Prigozhin’s companies and boost the recruitment of paramilitary organization Wagner group forces to state-backed mercenary companies. Joe Parkinson, Benoit Faucon, and Drew Hinshaw report for the Wall Street Journal

    The paramilitary organization Wagner group’s armed action is a sign of the war’s “corrosive” effect on Russia, said CIA Director William J. Burns on Saturday. “Disaffection with the war will continue to gnaw away at the Russian leadership” and create a “once in a generation opportunity” for U.S. intelligence, Burns added. Kelsey Ables, Adela Suliman, Nick Parker, and Karen DeYoung report for the Washington Post

    Ukrainian forces have said they are ready for any threat from Belarus after Belarus’ President Aleksandr Lukashenko invited paramilitary organization Wagner group members who had participated in a rebellion against Russian forces to relocate to an “abandoned” military base in his country. Megan Specia reports for the New York Times.

    CIA Director William J. Burns secretly visited Ukraine last month, where officials revealed an ambitious strategy to end the war. The strategy aims to retake Russian-occupied territory and open cease-fire negotiations with Moscow by the end of the year, officials familiar with the visit said. John Hudson and Shane Harris report for the Washington Post

    Ukraine’s counter-offensive against Russia will be difficult and “very bloody,” Gen. Mark Milley said. Milley said he was unsurprised that progress had been slower than predicted – but added that Ukraine was “advancing steadily.” Alexandra Fouché reports for BBC News

    Ukraine today said its forces gained some ground along eastern and southern fronts in the past week, reclaiming 14.4 square miles of territory. Pavel Polityuk reports for Reuters

    Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy has warned that Russian forces plan to sabotage the Zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant. Maj. Gen. Kyrylo Budanov, head of Ukraine’s military intelligence, said that Russians had planted explosives next to four of the six reactors and mined the cooling pond that supplies water to chill the reactors and spent fuel. Fredrick Kunkle and Kostiantyn Khudov report for the Washington Post."


    Louisville; Rolling smoke in the neighbourhood. # 38 for the win.  Life is too short for light/lite beer!  Seems I'm livin in a transitional period.
  • Botch
    Botch Posts: 16,196
    lousubcap said:
    Momday Russia-Ukraine update:

    Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy has warned that Russian forces plan to sabotage the Zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant. Maj. Gen. Kyrylo Budanov, head of Ukraine’s military intelligence, said that Russians had planted explosives next to four of the six reactors and mined the cooling pond that supplies water to chill the reactors and spent fuel. Fredrick Kunkle and Kostiantyn Khudov report for the Washington Post."

    I had read this from another source yesterday.  Dammit.  
    ___________

    "When small men begin to cast big shadows, it means that the sun is about to set."

    - Lin Yutang


  • Gulfcoastguy
    Gulfcoastguy Posts: 6,705
    Don’t the Orcs realize that winds blow East as well? 
  • JohnInCarolina
    JohnInCarolina Posts: 32,484
    "I've made a note never to piss you two off." - Stike