Wondering the thread sunk trigger-perhaps just a move to OT??

TechsasJim · February 2023

lousubcap said:

@fishlessman - I am the reverse sear of your usps experience. On a random basis our mail ends up in the neighbour (nod) on the next block over (their lot backs up to my street) as they have the same house number. New owners and the surrogate mail delivery responsibilities did not transfer. Hopefully fixed now.
However this issue did not arise for the first 17 years we lived here. Now it is random and the driver/delivery training program has some weaknesses.
Filing the occasional on-line complaint does generate immediate response. FWIW-

Cap we have the exact same issue. Prior owner was great (our street # but diff street name--yet similar) and we had reciprocity. New owners seem to be shut-ins and who knows what happens with our mail but I still deliver theirs to them (well their porch). Kinda reminds me of the movie "The Burbs"...I've never seen them...ever

lousubcap · February 2023

Legume said:

nolaegghead said:

You can sign up with USPS and see images of all the mail slated to go to your address, FWIW

We have this, it's great, but the local USPS are so shorthanded we have days without delivery and days with delivery at 7pm. I may see it 2 days before it arrives, but at least I know it's coming. I feel bad for them, they should cut delivery to 4-5 days/week except for express deliveries. If anyone is sending time sensitive, critical stuff my first class at this point, that's a mistake.

Have it here. That's how I know the mail has been diverted to the other house. Definitely a great service.

Botch · February 2023

HeavyG said:
There are well run organizations and there are poorly run organizations. Whether they are publicly owned or privately owned is usually of little real world relevance.

I rarely disagree with you, but here I must.
Publicly-owned (I assume you mean gov't here) are both well-, and poorly-run, and individuals within them can be well-meaning, or not.
Some privately-owned (I assume you mean for-profit here) are run both ways too, but once any family-run business goes public (and now I'm getting confused as to what you meant), it seems the shareholders are now the Ones To Be Served, and not the paying customers.

Oof-dah. Did you mean "public vs private" as govt vs for-profit, or as private vs publicly-traded?

TechsasJim · February 2023

Botch, it boils down to this: Public (govt) Private (owned or shared ownership -stocks).

Regardless, groups have to perform. In an economy such as ours the consumer has the ultimate right to choose, thus pay monies for goods/ service.

Yes, USPS is heavily subsidized by the Gov’t yet we still pay. At last check we are, or about, .60$ for a simple basic envelope.

Bottom line, if the consumer does not trust or believe in the service they received/paid for they are less likely to use that service again. If this persists the consumer will seek an alternate mean for a similar/comparable service.

Thus I do not trust/use USPS. Meanwhile they deliver heaps of garbage to my mailbox every day that goes directly to the recycling bin.

This to me is hypocriticalt, the group that burns the most fuel in our country is the Usps and they also distribute the most garbage.

Govt efficiencies at play.

Or you could pull a Biden and sit in an $85k electric vehicle (Hummer) and extol the virtues of tax rebates—when 90% of Americans cannot afford (nor would receive a tax break) for such a vehicle

end of my govt rant

Legume · February 2023

My carrier's name is Kevin. He's the 3rd carrier assigned to the route I'm on in 3+ years, but they've all been nice and conscientious. It's the subs that work their off days that suck. I can tell when it's a sub day because after 3+ years in this house, I still get mail addressed to the former owner from lawyers, various franchise state tax boards, other stuff like that. I always see it coming in the email with the scanned pieces of mail, but when it actually gets delivered to the mailbox...that's a sub running the route.

nolaegghead · February 2023

TechsasJim said:

Botch, it boils down to this: Public (govt) Private (owned or shared ownership -stocks).

Regardless, groups have to perform. In an economy such as ours the consumer has the ultimate right to choose, thus pay monies for goods/ service.

Yes, USPS is heavily subsidized by the Gov’t yet we still pay. At last check we are, or about, .60$ for a simple basic envelope.

Bottom line, if the consumer does not trust or believe in the service they received/paid for they are less likely to use that service again. If this persists the consumer will seek an alternate mean for a similar/comparable service.

Thus I do not trust/use USPS. Meanwhile they deliver heaps of garbage to my mailbox every day that goes directly to the recycling bin.

This to me is hypocriticalt, the group that burns the most fuel in our country is the Usps and they also distribute the most garbage.

Govt efficiencies at play.

Or you could pull a Biden and sit in an $85k electric vehicle (Hummer) and extol the virtues of tax rebates—when 90% of Americans cannot afford (nor would receive a tax break) for such a vehicle

end of my govt rant

Aren’t all the heaps of garbage sent by businesses? Btw - they are replacing their fleet with electric vehicles where possible, as are businesses everywhere. What would the perceived advantages of privatizing be except prices would increase and there being no monetary impetus to service remote locations, unless it’s a monopolistic entity, there can be competition, which would be inefficient if you get even more deliveries for mail. Expect FedEx and UPS to raise prices from having to travel the last mile, and ordinary mail to be metered and more complex because that’s what it takes to be profitable. Companies like to make 10-20% net, are the decreases in cost enough to do that without raising prices, and if that’s the case, why doesn’t the post office do that? All this boils down to - things are more complicated than the pundits draw them.

there is nothing stopping UPS and Fed Ex to distribute mail, In fact they do. For about 20 times the cost.

nolaegghead · February 2023

People outside of cities would be f*cked, like they would if the government didn’t step in with legislation to force companies to provide services (utilities, communications) and forcing the subsidies you see on those bills right now. Look at your phone bill, for example.

HeavyG · February 2023

Botch said:

HeavyG said:
There are well run organizations and there are poorly run organizations. Whether they are publicly owned or privately owned is usually of little real world relevance.

I rarely disagree with you, but here I must.
Publicly-owned (I assume you mean gov't here) are both well-, and poorly-run, and individuals within them can be well-meaning, or not.
Some privately-owned (I assume you mean for-profit here) are run both ways too, but once any family-run business goes public (and now I'm getting confused as to what you meant), it seems the shareholders are now the Ones To Be Served, and not the paying customers.

Oof-dah. Did you mean "public vs private" as govt vs for-profit, or as private vs publicly-traded?

What I meant, and must not have articulated well, is public agencies/organizations (aka government) and private agencies (whether they are privately owned or are publicly traded organizations beholden to shareholders). Basically government vs. private.

Any org. can be well run or poorly run regardless of where their funding comes from.

HeavyG · February 2023

TechsasJim said:

...

Thus I do not trust/use USPS. Meanwhile they deliver heaps of garbage to my mailbox every day that goes directly to the recycling bin.

This to me is hypocriticalt, the group that burns the most fuel in our country is the Usps and they also distribute the most garbage.

Govt efficiencies at play.

...

And just who is paying the USPS to deliver all the "heaps of garbage" that you just throw right into the recycling bin?

Seems to me a well run private business would know better than to waste all that money sending stuff they know is just going to be tossed into the bin.

fishlessman · February 2023

the fixed the massachusetts DMV years ago. if they could do that then the post office should be easy

fishlessman · February 2023

nolaegghead said:

TechsasJim said:

Botch, it boils down to this: Public (govt) Private (owned or shared ownership -stocks).

Regardless, groups have to perform. In an economy such as ours the consumer has the ultimate right to choose, thus pay monies for goods/ service.

Yes, USPS is heavily subsidized by the Gov’t yet we still pay. At last check we are, or about, .60$ for a simple basic envelope.

Bottom line, if the consumer does not trust or believe in the service they received/paid for they are less likely to use that service again. If this persists the consumer will seek an alternate mean for a similar/comparable service.

Thus I do not trust/use USPS. Meanwhile they deliver heaps of garbage to my mailbox every day that goes directly to the recycling bin.

This to me is hypocriticalt, the group that burns the most fuel in our country is the Usps and they also distribute the most garbage.

Govt efficiencies at play.

Or you could pull a Biden and sit in an $85k electric vehicle (Hummer) and extol the virtues of tax rebates—when 90% of Americans cannot afford (nor would receive a tax break) for such a vehicle

end of my govt rant

Aren’t all the heaps of garbage sent by businesses? Btw - they are replacing their fleet with electric vehicles where possible, as are businesses everywhere. What would the perceived advantages of privatizing be except prices would increase and there being no monetary impetus to service remote locations, unless it’s a monopolistic entity, there can be competition, which would be inefficient if you get even more deliveries for mail. Expect FedEx and UPS to raise prices from having to travel the last mile, and ordinary mail to be metered and more complex because that’s what it takes to be profitable. Companies like to make 10-20% net, are the decreases in cost enough to do that without raising prices, and if that’s the case, why doesn’t the post office do that? All this boils down to - things are more complicated than the pundits draw them.

there is nothing stopping UPS and Fed Ex to distribute mail, In fact they do. For about 20 times the cost.

the gas drives are as slow as the ponies, will electric be even slower for the post office. seems to take two plus weeks to send a check thru the post office from texas to boston

Ozzie_Isaac · February 2023

fishlessman said:

nolaegghead said:

TechsasJim said:

Botch, it boils down to this: Public (govt) Private (owned or shared ownership -stocks).

Regardless, groups have to perform. In an economy such as ours the consumer has the ultimate right to choose, thus pay monies for goods/ service.

Yes, USPS is heavily subsidized by the Gov’t yet we still pay. At last check we are, or about, .60$ for a simple basic envelope.

Bottom line, if the consumer does not trust or believe in the service they received/paid for they are less likely to use that service again. If this persists the consumer will seek an alternate mean for a similar/comparable service.

Thus I do not trust/use USPS. Meanwhile they deliver heaps of garbage to my mailbox every day that goes directly to the recycling bin.

This to me is hypocriticalt, the group that burns the most fuel in our country is the Usps and they also distribute the most garbage.

Govt efficiencies at play.

Or you could pull a Biden and sit in an $85k electric vehicle (Hummer) and extol the virtues of tax rebates—when 90% of Americans cannot afford (nor would receive a tax break) for such a vehicle

end of my govt rant

Aren’t all the heaps of garbage sent by businesses? Btw - they are replacing their fleet with electric vehicles where possible, as are businesses everywhere. What would the perceived advantages of privatizing be except prices would increase and there being no monetary impetus to service remote locations, unless it’s a monopolistic entity, there can be competition, which would be inefficient if you get even more deliveries for mail. Expect FedEx and UPS to raise prices from having to travel the last mile, and ordinary mail to be metered and more complex because that’s what it takes to be profitable. Companies like to make 10-20% net, are the decreases in cost enough to do that without raising prices, and if that’s the case, why doesn’t the post office do that? All this boils down to - things are more complicated than the pundits draw them.

there is nothing stopping UPS and Fed Ex to distribute mail, In fact they do. For about 20 times the cost.

the gas drives are as slow as the ponies, will electric be even slower for the post office. seems to take two plus weeks to send a check thru the post office from texas to boston

Our deliveries are 5-7 business days for in-town.

fishlessman · February 2023

Ozzie_Isaac said:

fishlessman said:

nolaegghead said:

TechsasJim said:

Botch, it boils down to this: Public (govt) Private (owned or shared ownership -stocks).

Regardless, groups have to perform. In an economy such as ours the consumer has the ultimate right to choose, thus pay monies for goods/ service.

Yes, USPS is heavily subsidized by the Gov’t yet we still pay. At last check we are, or about, .60$ for a simple basic envelope.

Bottom line, if the consumer does not trust or believe in the service they received/paid for they are less likely to use that service again. If this persists the consumer will seek an alternate mean for a similar/comparable service.

Thus I do not trust/use USPS. Meanwhile they deliver heaps of garbage to my mailbox every day that goes directly to the recycling bin.

This to me is hypocriticalt, the group that burns the most fuel in our country is the Usps and they also distribute the most garbage.

Govt efficiencies at play.

Or you could pull a Biden and sit in an $85k electric vehicle (Hummer) and extol the virtues of tax rebates—when 90% of Americans cannot afford (nor would receive a tax break) for such a vehicle

end of my govt rant

Aren’t all the heaps of garbage sent by businesses? Btw - they are replacing their fleet with electric vehicles where possible, as are businesses everywhere. What would the perceived advantages of privatizing be except prices would increase and there being no monetary impetus to service remote locations, unless it’s a monopolistic entity, there can be competition, which would be inefficient if you get even more deliveries for mail. Expect FedEx and UPS to raise prices from having to travel the last mile, and ordinary mail to be metered and more complex because that’s what it takes to be profitable. Companies like to make 10-20% net, are the decreases in cost enough to do that without raising prices, and if that’s the case, why doesn’t the post office do that? All this boils down to - things are more complicated than the pundits draw them.

there is nothing stopping UPS and Fed Ex to distribute mail, In fact they do. For about 20 times the cost.

the gas drives are as slow as the ponies, will electric be even slower for the post office. seems to take two plus weeks to send a check thru the post office from texas to boston

Our deliveries are 5-7 business days for in-town.

ive had items shipped from china thru the usps and its quicker than having it sent from another state thru usps at times. if you track it the mail leaves the carolinas, heads to chicago, then to connecticut, up to boston, then to tewksbury MA then to the city of lawrence where my town goes to pick it up to deliver it. the china route skips most of that

Legume · February 2023

I ordered a few things from a company that's 1.5 miles from me. Can't pick it up because they don't have a storefront or people employed to deal with it. I placed two orders 10 minutes apart because I decided to add a few things. One shipped yesterday via FedEx and is reportedly out for delivery today. The other hasn't shipped yet, but both are going from the warehouse to FedEx 7 miles away and then back to me. I know money could be saved in this scenario, but it would probably cost more to figure that out than they would save.

I have no point really, just more mail stuff today and wanted to boost my post count without cooking anything. I had toast this morning. No pics.

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