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Brisket learnings/tips from a recent side by side experiment

I learned a few things from a recent brisket cook I did with a large egg and a classic kj side by side that I thought I'd share, video if you're like me and prefer audio/visual vs. text https://youtu.be/z2ZfSmtOu54

Spoiler, as for the blind taste test I couldn't tell the difference nor could my neighbour who's large egg i borrowed.  My large egg and the mini from @lkapigian are still happily in service at the cottage up north and my other large and minimax are at my brother in-laws, but that being said its been a while since I've gone back to the egg for a brisket vs. some recent experiments on the Joe that have modified my approach.

Key points in the video and that are transferable regardless of Kamado brand
1) 250+ tastes better than a fire sputtering along below that

2) Overnight dry brine, if you're not already doing it add your rub/salt the day/evening before and let it sit uncovered.  retains more moisture weight when its all said and done and it gives you time for learning #3.  Rub is 40% fresh cracked black pepper 15% Lawry's, 25% diamond kosher crystal salt, 10% garlic ... fresh pepper makes an appreciable difference

3) if you prep the day before, toss your timings in a pot... add 2c of water and simmer for 2-3hrs until the water is gone and all thats left is tallow.  strain off the crap and inject the briskets fat back into the flat.  this upgrades a choice to the same results as prime for less $$ (not in this particular video) 

4) the same setup for pizza works great for low and slow (two sets of deflectors).  I call it double indirect but its the same as pizza has always been where we don't want to overdo the bottom without having time to finish the top.  i used each grill spec'd out to the exact same price so the egg was not double indirect in this video but this would have solved the slightly overdone bottom

5) adding smoke mid cook.  the KJ has a removable ash drawer that makes it easy to toss in wood chips and slide it back in, but tossing in some to the bottom vent and shove them under with the ash tool worked just as well.  the next day these were gone / turned into charcoal from hot embers falling down... compared to opening the dome and removing everything this is a great way to add smoke all day in a kamado 

6) fat cap up.  always used to do down, but side by side to my offset briskets this is missing the benefit of a properly rendered fat cap vs. it being mush on the board when you slice.

7) foil boat works better on a bottom heat source grill like the egg than any other i've tried it on.  lets the top bark continue to develop, protects the bottom from over cooking, collects some tallow you can pour back over for resting, shortens the cook time... i avg about 10f per hour gained in a boat so if we are 160, boat = 4 hours until getting close to probe feel


Have a great memorial day weekend 



Two Kamado Joe Classic III & a Kamado Joe Jr.  Large BGE, Mini BGE 
YouTube: @smokingdadbbq 
Instagram: @smokingdadbbq  

Comments

  • lkapigianlkapigian Posts: 9,409
    Was wondering if you still had that Mini 
    Visalia, CaLGBE- Pit's by Klose Trailer -Stumps XL Stretch - Custom Santa Maria- FatStack Smoker FS120 FatStack 600- Blackstone 36 Blackstone 22 - Custom Cold Smoke House and a lonely Brinkman Vertical SmokerInstagram @lkapigian
  • Brisket_FanaticBrisket_Fanatic Posts: 2,882
    What's the other 10% ? I like that the idea of injecting it's own fat back into itself. Thanks for sharing?

    NW IA

    2 LBGE, 1 SBGE, 22.5 WSM, 1 Smokey Joe

  • lkapigian said:
    Was wondering if you still had that Mini 
    On my way to it as we speak. I love it still 
    Two Kamado Joe Classic III & a Kamado Joe Jr.  Large BGE, Mini BGE 
    YouTube: @smokingdadbbq 
    Instagram: @smokingdadbbq  

  • What's the other 10% ? I like that the idea of injecting it's own fat back into itself. Thanks for sharing?
    Doh math fail. Rest is garlic. If you want you can add some smoked paprika or celery seed but I don’t use them often 
    Two Kamado Joe Classic III & a Kamado Joe Jr.  Large BGE, Mini BGE 
    YouTube: @smokingdadbbq 
    Instagram: @smokingdadbbq  

  • RyanStlRyanStl Posts: 1,045
    edited May 27
    My dogs would be sad if I injected the trimmings back into the meat.
  • FoghornFoghorn Posts: 9,416
    I learned a few things from a recent brisket cook I did with a large egg and a classic kj side by side that I thought I'd share, video if you're like me and prefer audio/visual vs. text https://youtu.be/z2ZfSmtOu54

    Spoiler, as for the blind taste test I couldn't tell the difference nor could my neighbour who's large egg i borrowed.  My large egg and the mini from @lkapigian are still happily in service at the cottage up north and my other large and minimax are at my brother in-laws, but that being said its been a while since I've gone back to the egg for a brisket vs. some recent experiments on the Joe that have modified my approach.

    Key points in the video and that are transferable regardless of Kamado brand
    1) 250+ tastes better than a fire sputtering along below that

    2) Overnight dry brine, if you're not already doing it add your rub/salt the day/evening before and let it sit uncovered.  retains more moisture weight when its all said and done and it gives you time for learning #3.  Rub is 40% fresh cracked black pepper 15% Lawry's, 25% diamond kosher crystal salt, 10% garlic ... fresh pepper makes an appreciable difference

    3) if you prep the day before, toss your timings in a pot... add 2c of water and simmer for 2-3hrs until the water is gone and all thats left is tallow.  strain off the crap and inject the briskets fat back into the flat.  this upgrades a choice to the same results as prime for less $$ (not in this particular video) 

    4) the same setup for pizza works great for low and slow (two sets of deflectors).  I call it double indirect but its the same as pizza has always been where we don't want to overdo the bottom without having time to finish the top.  i used each grill spec'd out to the exact same price so the egg was not double indirect in this video but this would have solved the slightly overdone bottom

    5) adding smoke mid cook.  the KJ has a removable ash drawer that makes it easy to toss in wood chips and slide it back in, but tossing in some to the bottom vent and shove them under with the ash tool worked just as well.  the next day these were gone / turned into charcoal from hot embers falling down... compared to opening the dome and removing everything this is a great way to add smoke all day in a kamado 

    6) fat cap up.  always used to do down, but side by side to my offset briskets this is missing the benefit of a properly rendered fat cap vs. it being mush on the board when you slice.

    7) foil boat works better on a bottom heat source grill like the egg than any other i've tried it on.  lets the top bark continue to develop, protects the bottom from over cooking, collects some tallow you can pour back over for resting, shortens the cook time... i avg about 10f per hour gained in a boat so if we are 160, boat = 4 hours until getting close to probe feel


    Have a great memorial day weekend 



    Great post.

    #4 allows for #6 above.

    It aligns with research done on the topic. 

    https://www.wired.com/2015/07/high-tech-bbq/

    More importantly, it aligns with my process and bias.   :)


    XXL BGE, Karebecue, Klose BYC, Chargiller Akorn Kamado, Weber Smokey Mountain, Grand Turbo gasser, Weber Smoky Joe, and the wheelbarrow that my grandfather used to cook steaks from his cattle

    San Antonio, TX

  • lousubcaplousubcap Posts: 27,659
    Thanks for the effort and patience to produce the video.  Enjoyed it and will have to play around with the foil boat. 
    I am well aware of the BGE dome open and subsequent temperature rise phenomena but surprised that it does not occur with the KJ given the air introduction.  
    Louisville; "indeterminate Jim" here.  Rolling smoke in the neighbourhood. # 38 for the win.  Life is too short for light/lite beer!
  • lousubcap said:
    Thanks for the effort and patience to produce the video.  Enjoyed it and will have to play around with the foil boat. 
    I am well aware of the BGE dome open and subsequent temperature rise phenomena but surprised that it does not occur with the KJ given the air introduction.  
    I don’t get it. I’ve never gotten a flash back on the taller one yet (series 3) either so I am not sure if the extra distance has something to do with it. Puzzled 
    Two Kamado Joe Classic III & a Kamado Joe Jr.  Large BGE, Mini BGE 
    YouTube: @smokingdadbbq 
    Instagram: @smokingdadbbq  

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