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  • nolaegghead
    nolaegghead Posts: 42,109
    Legume said:
    @nolaegghead what does a DAC do for me?
    @legume - it is a digital to analog audio signal converter.  Basically it allows you to convert a digital signal to analog.  This is where the magic of quality occurs, since most of our music is stored digitally.  If you plug the headphone output from a tablet, echo or whatever to your amp, you're letting that device's DAC generate the analog output.  If you want to convert a purely digital output like USB or optical to analog (because most amps don't accept digital), you would need some kind of DAC.  I have a really nice one for my stereo.

    Here's an example:


    But if you're fine with the analog output from your device (which is perfectly acceptable), you don't need one.


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  • HeavyG
    HeavyG Posts: 10,380
    Legume said:
    I need a stereo receiver.  

    80w +

    Ability to stream to it from a tablet (ideally something higher quality than just Bluetooth like DTS, DLNA, but I really don’t know these things). I don’t own a bunch of music, I stream. Preferably not always across Bluetooth.

    no A/V, just two speakers and option for sub

    Phono in

    at least one digital input, no need right now, just future consideration

    What brands do you like?  Cambridge has been recommended to me.  Others?

    "Receiver" implies a built in tuner (AM/FM) - do you also need/want that?
    “Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away.” ― Philip K. Diçk




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  • Botch
    Botch Posts: 17,350
    edited May 2021
    Legume said:
    I need a stereo receiver.  

    80w +

    Ability to stream to it from a tablet (ideally something higher quality than just Bluetooth like DTS, DLNA, but I really don’t know these things). I don’t own a bunch of music, I stream. Preferably not always across Bluetooth.

    no A/V, just two speakers and option for sub

    Phono in

    at least one digital input, no need right now, just future consideration

    What brands do you like?  Cambridge has been recommended to me.  Others?
    Yamaha still makes a surprising number of stereo receivers.  I've been a Yamaha guy since 1979, but don't do streaming so I can't comment on that.  
    https://www.crutchfield.com/shopsearch/yamaha_stereo_receiver.html

    “I'll have what she's having."  

        -Rob Reiner's mother!   

    Ogden, UT, USA

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  • GrateEggspectations
    GrateEggspectations Posts: 11,545
    johnmitchell said:
    Stuck in Greenville NC due to no gas hopefully tomorrow will be better.. Today looking for gas was like a “Mad Max” movie
    There is a gasoline shortage? How come?

    There is great irony in your signature block at present: “When in doubt Accelerate....”
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  • TideEggHead
    TideEggHead Posts: 1,345
    johnmitchell said:
    Stuck in Greenville NC due to no gas hopefully tomorrow will be better.. Today looking for gas was like a “Mad Max” movie
    Yep feeling it here too, yesterday I put $15 in our accord because I was in a rush and that’s was at $2.72 I think? Today I went to finish filling it up and paid $3.40 per gallon. All they had was premium at the stations that had gas. 
    LBGE
    AL
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  • Legume
    Legume Posts: 15,936
    HeavyG said:
    Legume said:
    I need a stereo receiver.  

    80w +

    Ability to stream to it from a tablet (ideally something higher quality than just Bluetooth like DTS, DLNA, but I really don’t know these things). I don’t own a bunch of music, I stream. Preferably not always across Bluetooth.

    no A/V, just two speakers and option for sub

    Phono in

    at least one digital input, no need right now, just future consideration

    What brands do you like?  Cambridge has been recommended to me.  Others?

    "Receiver" implies a built in tuner (AM/FM) - do you also need/want that?
    Yep, might as well. Not an absolute requirement and I know it narrows the choices a little, but why not.
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  • Ozzie_Isaac
    Ozzie_Isaac Posts: 21,648
    edited May 2021
    Legume said:
    I need a stereo receiver.  

    80w +

    Ability to stream to it from a tablet (ideally something higher quality than just Bluetooth like DTS, DLNA, but I really don’t know these things). I don’t own a bunch of music, I stream. Preferably not always across Bluetooth.

    no A/V, just two speakers and option for sub

    Phono in

    at least one digital input, no need right now, just future consideration

    What brands do you like?  Cambridge has been recommended to me.  Others?
    Denon PMA-600NE for a decent budget stereo amp w/streaming.

    Less than your specs, but 2x70watts at 4ohms is close.

    Musical Fidelity and Emotiv are two other good brands.

    I would rather light a candle than curse your darkness.

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  • nolaegghead
    nolaegghead Posts: 42,109
    I like Emotiva a lot. Best bargain "boutique" stuff out there, IMO
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  • Ozzie_Isaac
    Ozzie_Isaac Posts: 21,648
    Cambridge EVO 150 looks pretty sweet too.

    I would rather light a candle than curse your darkness.

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  • Legume
    Legume Posts: 15,936
    Ozzie_Isaac said:
    Cambridge EVO 150 looks pretty sweet too.
    It does, but that price point hurts. 
    THANK YOU FOR YOUR ATTENTION TO THIS MATTER
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  • Ozzie_Isaac
    Ozzie_Isaac Posts: 21,648
    Legume said:
    Ozzie_Isaac said:
    Cambridge EVO 150 looks pretty sweet too.
    It does, but that price point hurts. 
    Yeah, two stimmies is not an impulse buy.  Is this in a secondary listening room/house or your primary space?

    I would rather light a candle than curse your darkness.

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  • nolaegghead
    nolaegghead Posts: 42,109
    Maybe if it's your 3rd or 4th house you could go ghetto with that Cambridge....right, Ozzie?!
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  • nolaegghead
    nolaegghead Posts: 42,109
    (Where did I put my Grey Poupon)....
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  • Legume
    Legume Posts: 15,936
    Lol, just the one house.  Will be the only stereo.
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  • GlennM
    GlennM Posts: 1,445
    Legume said:
    I want to avoid Bluetooth when I can, but plan on getting a small android tablet just for the stereo and leave it on a cradle by the stereo - avoid the pitfalls of using my phone, etc.
    I use a receiver with 2 speakers and a sub in my garage. I bought a Bluetooth adaptor on Amazon and stream from a google mini - works great, no dropouts and voice control

    In the bush just East of Cambridge,Ontario 
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  • fishlessman
    fishlessman Posts: 34,572
    TideEggHead said:
    johnmitchell said:
    Stuck in Greenville NC due to no gas hopefully tomorrow will be better.. Today looking for gas was like a “Mad Max” movie
    Yep feeling it here too, yesterday I put $15 in our accord because I was in a rush and that’s was at $2.72 I think? Today I went to finish filling it up and paid $3.40 per gallon. All they had was premium at the stations that had gas. 

    its been 3.99 for premium all winter here.
    fukahwee maine

    you can lead a fish to water but you can not make him drink it
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  • kl8ton
    kl8ton Posts: 6,403
     @SonVolt I feel this needs its own thread.  This is awesome.
    Large, Medium, MiniMax, 36" Blackstone
    Grand Rapids MI
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  • northGAcock
    northGAcock Posts: 15,173
    nolaegghead said:
    Legume said:
    @nolaegghead what does a DAC do for me?
    @legume - it is a digital to analog audio signal converter.  Basically it allows you to convert a digital signal to analog.  This is where the magic of quality occurs, since most of our music is stored digitally.  If you plug the headphone output from a tablet, echo or whatever to your amp, you're letting that device's DAC generate the analog output.  If you want to convert a purely digital output like USB or optical to analog (because most amps don't accept digital), you would need some kind of DAC.  I have a really nice one for my stereo.

    Here's an example:


    But if you're fine with the analog output from your device (which is perfectly acceptable), you don't need one.


    I went all analog about a year ago. No regrets, but had 400-500 albums i had lugged around for 40 years. Also have three reel to reel decks with about a hundred album releases on the shelf. Hard to beat the old stuff. I sold my CD collection.
    Ellijay GA with a Medium & MiniMax

    Well, I married me a wife, she's been trouble all my life,
    Run me out in the cold rain and snow
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  • Legume
    Legume Posts: 15,936
    northGAcock said:
    nolaegghead said:
    Legume said:
    @nolaegghead what does a DAC do for me?
    @legume - it is a digital to analog audio signal converter.  Basically it allows you to convert a digital signal to analog.  This is where the magic of quality occurs, since most of our music is stored digitally.  If you plug the headphone output from a tablet, echo or whatever to your amp, you're letting that device's DAC generate the analog output.  If you want to convert a purely digital output like USB or optical to analog (because most amps don't accept digital), you would need some kind of DAC.  I have a really nice one for my stereo.

    Here's an example:


    But if you're fine with the analog output from your device (which is perfectly acceptable), you don't need one.


    I went all analog about a year ago. No regrets, but had 400-500 albums i had lugged around for 40 years. Also have three reel to reel decks with about a hundred album releases on the shelf. Hard to beat the old stuff. I sold my CD collection.
    That sounds great.

    However, I have a turntable and only a handful of LPs.  I’ll buy more here and there, but it won’t be a centerpiece for me.  I’ve found that LP sides are much shorter than I remember and I prefer to curate my own playlists or listen in the many other ways streaming services provide.  I won’t accumulate any more music as an owner, I’m a renter and I’m happy to be.  What I’m no longer happy with is quality of music streamed via my phone then across Bluetooth to a tv soundbar or a portable Bluetooth speaker.  I do want to try some of the higher quality streaming as well once I get setup.

    Coincidentally, my UE megaboom just died as well, so now I need a decent portable speaker for outdoors, camper, etc., hit that’s an easier find.
    THANK YOU FOR YOUR ATTENTION TO THIS MATTER
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  • Ozzie_Isaac
    Ozzie_Isaac Posts: 21,648
    Legume said:
    northGAcock said:
    nolaegghead said:
    Legume said:
    @nolaegghead what does a DAC do for me?
    @legume - it is a digital to analog audio signal converter.  Basically it allows you to convert a digital signal to analog.  This is where the magic of quality occurs, since most of our music is stored digitally.  If you plug the headphone output from a tablet, echo or whatever to your amp, you're letting that device's DAC generate the analog output.  If you want to convert a purely digital output like USB or optical to analog (because most amps don't accept digital), you would need some kind of DAC.  I have a really nice one for my stereo.

    Here's an example:


    But if you're fine with the analog output from your device (which is perfectly acceptable), you don't need one.


    I went all analog about a year ago. No regrets, but had 400-500 albums i had lugged around for 40 years. Also have three reel to reel decks with about a hundred album releases on the shelf. Hard to beat the old stuff. I sold my CD collection.
    That sounds great.

    However, I have a turntable and only a handful of LPs.  I’ll buy more here and there, but it won’t be a centerpiece for me.  I’ve found that LP sides are much shorter than I remember and I prefer to curate my own playlists or listen in the many other ways streaming services provide.  I won’t accumulate any more music as an owner, I’m a renter and I’m happy to be.  What I’m no longer happy with is quality of music streamed via my phone then across Bluetooth to a tv soundbar or a portable Bluetooth speaker.  I do want to try some of the higher quality streaming as well once I get setup.

    Coincidentally, my UE megaboom just died as well, so now I need a decent portable speaker for outdoors, camper, etc., hit that’s an easier find.
    In general, I belive your sound quality is not related directly to "bluetooth". It is probably related to average soundbars coupled with average Bluetooth streaming hardware.  Bluetooth is capable of high data rates, but all devices in the chain need to be able to handle it.  Encoding, transmitting, decoding.  Not to mention starting with a high quality source.

    All that to say, I would not discount bluetooth all together.  However, I do prefer wifi or hardlines.

    I would rather light a candle than curse your darkness.

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  • Legume
    Legume Posts: 15,936
    Ozzie_Isaac said:
    Legume said:
    northGAcock said:
    nolaegghead said:
    Legume said:
    @nolaegghead what does a DAC do for me?
    @legume - it is a digital to analog audio signal converter.  Basically it allows you to convert a digital signal to analog.  This is where the magic of quality occurs, since most of our music is stored digitally.  If you plug the headphone output from a tablet, echo or whatever to your amp, you're letting that device's DAC generate the analog output.  If you want to convert a purely digital output like USB or optical to analog (because most amps don't accept digital), you would need some kind of DAC.  I have a really nice one for my stereo.

    Here's an example:


    But if you're fine with the analog output from your device (which is perfectly acceptable), you don't need one.


    I went all analog about a year ago. No regrets, but had 400-500 albums i had lugged around for 40 years. Also have three reel to reel decks with about a hundred album releases on the shelf. Hard to beat the old stuff. I sold my CD collection.
    That sounds great.

    However, I have a turntable and only a handful of LPs.  I’ll buy more here and there, but it won’t be a centerpiece for me.  I’ve found that LP sides are much shorter than I remember and I prefer to curate my own playlists or listen in the many other ways streaming services provide.  I won’t accumulate any more music as an owner, I’m a renter and I’m happy to be.  What I’m no longer happy with is quality of music streamed via my phone then across Bluetooth to a tv soundbar or a portable Bluetooth speaker.  I do want to try some of the higher quality streaming as well once I get setup.

    Coincidentally, my UE megaboom just died as well, so now I need a decent portable speaker for outdoors, camper, etc., hit that’s an easier find.
    In general, I belive your sound quality is not related directly to "bluetooth". It is probably related to average soundbars coupled with average Bluetooth streaming hardware.  Bluetooth is capable of high data rates, but all devices in the chain need to be able to handle it.  Encoding, transmitting, decoding.  Not to mention starting with a high quality source.

    All that to say, I would not discount bluetooth all together.  However, I do prefer wifi or hardlines.
    Agree.  I’m upgrading all the links in the chain, or at least the major ones.  I don’t expect to drop Bluetooth, but take advantage of better options when I can.
    THANK YOU FOR YOUR ATTENTION TO THIS MATTER
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  • northGAcock
    northGAcock Posts: 15,173
    edited May 2021
    Legume said:
    Ozzie_Isaac said:
    Legume said:
    northGAcock said:
    nolaegghead said:
    Legume said:
    @nolaegghead what does a DAC do for me?
    @legume - it is a digital to analog audio signal converter.  Basically it allows you to convert a digital signal to analog.  This is where the magic of quality occurs, since most of our music is stored digitally.  If you plug the headphone output from a tablet, echo or whatever to your amp, you're letting that device's DAC generate the analog output.  If you want to convert a purely digital output like USB or optical to analog (because most amps don't accept digital), you would need some kind of DAC.  I have a really nice one for my stereo.

    Here's an example:


    But if you're fine with the analog output from your device (which is perfectly acceptable), you don't need one.


    I went all analog about a year ago. No regrets, but had 400-500 albums i had lugged around for 40 years. Also have three reel to reel decks with about a hundred album releases on the shelf. Hard to beat the old stuff. I sold my CD collection.
    That sounds great.

    However, I have a turntable and only a handful of LPs.  I’ll buy more here and there, but it won’t be a centerpiece for me.  I’ve found that LP sides are much shorter than I remember and I prefer to curate my own playlists or listen in the many other ways streaming services provide.  I won’t accumulate any more music as an owner, I’m a renter and I’m happy to be.  What I’m no longer happy with is quality of music streamed via my phone then across Bluetooth to a tv soundbar or a portable Bluetooth speaker.  I do want to try some of the higher quality streaming as well once I get setup.

    Coincidentally, my UE megaboom just died as well, so now I need a decent portable speaker for outdoors, camper, etc., hit that’s an easier find.
    In general, I belive your sound quality is not related directly to "bluetooth". It is probably related to average soundbars coupled with average Bluetooth streaming hardware.  Bluetooth is capable of high data rates, but all devices in the chain need to be able to handle it.  Encoding, transmitting, decoding.  Not to mention starting with a high quality source.

    All that to say, I would not discount bluetooth all together.  However, I do prefer wifi or hardlines.
    Agree.  I’m upgrading all the links in the chain, or at least the major ones.  I don’t expect to drop Bluetooth, but take advantage of better options when I can.
    You will be missing out on looking through the bins of old albums at the used record stores. The excitement of stumbling on those unexpected gems. How can you pass on this? Just kidding....enjoy music how ever you listen to it.
    Ellijay GA with a Medium & MiniMax

    Well, I married me a wife, she's been trouble all my life,
    Run me out in the cold rain and snow
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  • Legume
    Legume Posts: 15,936

    You will be missing out on looking through the bins of old albums at the used record stores. The excitement of stumbling on those unexpected gems. How can you pass on this? Just kidding....enjoy music how ever you listen to it.
    I will browse the bins and pick up some used classics, but 20-25 minute sides definitely isn’t my preference.
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  • nolaegghead
    nolaegghead Posts: 42,109
    I'm content paying ten bucks a month to spotify.  SWMBO is a collector of albums - LP and CDs.   To each his own.   With DSP you can make a studio edited digital recording sound like it's played on a **** turntable.  If that's your bag, man.
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  • Ozzie_Isaac
    Ozzie_Isaac Posts: 21,648
    edited May 2021
    nolaegghead said:
    I'm content paying ten bucks a month to spotify.  SWMBO is a collector of albums - LP and CDs.   To each his own.   With DSP you can make a studio edited digital recording sound like it's played on a **** turntable.  If that's your bag, man.
    Shots fired.

    An LP with the analogue signal is everything, exactly as it was recorded in the studio.  It is impossible that digital technology can in any was come close to that.  The only thing better may be wax cylinders.

    Also, I have a $10,000 set of cables for your woofers and a $12,000 set for your tweeter.  No true appreciator of the musical arts would ever send all their signals over a single set of cables.  Bi-wiring is absolutely essential to unlocking the potential of a setup.

    I would rather light a candle than curse your darkness.

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  • Legume
    Legume Posts: 15,936
    For the best sound, you have to reduce the distance from the source to the speaker to your ear.
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  • Ozzie_Isaac
    Ozzie_Isaac Posts: 21,648
    Legume said:
    For the best sound, you have to reduce the distance from the source to the speaker to your ear.
    Hard to get a food sound stage that way!  Need decent open back headphones for that ....

    I would rather light a candle than curse your darkness.

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  • Botch
    Botch Posts: 17,350
    Legume said:
    For the best sound, you have to reduce the distance from the source to the speaker to your ear.
    I am happy we don't see this much, anymore.  

    “I'll have what she's having."  

        -Rob Reiner's mother!   

    Ogden, UT, USA

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