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  • fishlessman
    fishlessman Posts: 34,580
    I forgot some dough in the fridge for a week and it looked like a gooey mess, way too loose.  But I said F it and made some pies.  The crust flavor was incredible. 

    power went out a week back after making dough, went 7 days. pretty much just dumped it into an oiled tray, spread it out, let it rise one more time. quite good and yes a gooey mess
    fukahwee maine

    you can lead a fish to water but you can not make him drink it
  • texaswig said:
    @Photo Egg I kinda needed something else to geek out on. I knew pizza was the next. 

     Have you brewed beer yet? :-)
    People keep asking me when I'm going to get into home-brewing, and for whatever reason I don't have that itch.  I've had friends start the process at my house (it's a long story) and it just doesn't interest me.   I am also very happy with our local bottle shop so that probably factors into it.
    "I've made a note never to piss you two off." - Stike

    "The truth is, these are not very bright guys, and things got out of hand." - Deep Throat
  • SciAggie
    SciAggie Posts: 6,481
    edited December 2020
    @nolaegghead Yes, my bread is usually 80% hydration if there is whole wheat in the recipe. If it's straight KA bread flour I usually back off to 75%. 
    After the initial kneading, I'll do a stretch and fold every 30 minutes the first two hours, Then stretch and fold once every hour. I'll occasionally laminate the dough. Here's a good video of that process. Coil folds are useful with really wet dough.
    Coleman, Texas
    Large BGE & Mini Max for the wok. A few old camp Dutch ovens and a wood fired oven. LSG 24” cabinet offset smoker. There are a few paella pans and a Patagonia cross in the barn. A curing chamber for bacterial transformation of meats...
    "Bourbon slushies. Sure you can cook on the BGE without them, but why would you?"
                                                                                                                          YukonRon
  • ColbyLang
    ColbyLang Posts: 4,388
    I make large volumes of dough for my buddies pizza shop in town. 600# at a time. We mix, divide and round and go straight into static freezer. 6-8 hours and it’s frozen solid. 

    On his end they stack and slack in dough boxes in a walk in. 24 hours to slack
  • nolaegghead
    nolaegghead Posts: 42,109
    ColbyLang said:
    I make large volumes of dough for my buddies pizza shop in town. 600# at a time. We mix, divide and round and go straight into static freezer. 6-8 hours and it’s frozen solid. 

    On his end they stack and slack in dough boxes in a walk in. 24 hours to slack

    I plan on buying some of those stack pans...seems efficient.
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  • ColbyLang
    ColbyLang Posts: 4,388
    Or go “borrow” a couple from your local Domino’s. It’s how all their dough is transferred from their commissaries
  • texaswig said:
    @Photo Egg I kinda needed something else to geek out on. I knew pizza was the next. 

     Have you brewed beer yet? :-)
    People keep asking me when I'm going to get into home-brewing, and for whatever reason I don't have that itch.  I've had friends start the process at my house (it's a long story) and it just doesn't interest me.   I am also very happy with our local bottle shop so that probably factors into it.

     I enjoy brewing, mostly in the winter when I have more time. I make 12 gallon batches and keg it. Obviously it is rewarding but by the time spring rolls around I can find much better things to do.  I will make a mead as my last batch and let it sit in the conical all summer.
    South of Columbus, Ohio.


  • Carolina Q
    Carolina Q Posts: 14,831
    Just found this Italian pizzaiolo on youtube and watched a couple of his videos. In one, he compared 8 hr fermentation to 48 hrs to 7 days. Then, he compared hydration percentages; 60 vs 70 vs 80%. All with 00 flour. Never heard of this guy, but his pies look good and his inglese is hard to understand so maybe he's legit. =)

    The winners? 7 days/80%. His opinion of course.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vutoVquyuRI&t=2s
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tTas4Fn9xk4

    I've never tried 7/80 (neither that long or that wet), but I'm curious so I'll probably give 7/80 a shot. 80% seems like it would be hard to handle.

    I hate it when I go to the kitchen for food and all I find are ingredients!                                                                                                                                                                                                                           

    Michael 
    Central Connecticut 

  • SciAggie
    SciAggie Posts: 6,481
    edited December 2020
    @Carolina Q If you can handle wet dough and your oven is crazy hot I'll bet the crust is amazing. I'm betting the average guy will lose his mind trying to handle that dough. 
    Coleman, Texas
    Large BGE & Mini Max for the wok. A few old camp Dutch ovens and a wood fired oven. LSG 24” cabinet offset smoker. There are a few paella pans and a Patagonia cross in the barn. A curing chamber for bacterial transformation of meats...
    "Bourbon slushies. Sure you can cook on the BGE without them, but why would you?"
                                                                                                                          YukonRon
  • texaswig said:
    @Photo Egg I kinda needed something else to geek out on. I knew pizza was the next. 

     Have you brewed beer yet? :-)
    People keep asking me when I'm going to get into home-brewing, and for whatever reason I don't have that itch.  I've had friends start the process at my house (it's a long story) and it just doesn't interest me.   I am also very happy with our local bottle shop so that probably factors into it.

     I enjoy brewing, mostly in the winter when I have more time. I make 12 gallon batches and keg it. Obviously it is rewarding but by the time spring rolls around I can find much better things to do.  I will make a mead as my last batch and let it sit in the conical all summer.
    That's cool, Andrew, I didn't know you home brewed.  What do you like to make?

    I have friends who are really into it and really good, and I always appreciate trying the stuff they give me.  
    "I've made a note never to piss you two off." - Stike

    "The truth is, these are not very bright guys, and things got out of hand." - Deep Throat
  • Hoster05
    Hoster05 Posts: 312
    7 days at 80% sounds like a challenge that might be worth it.  Last weekend I did 65% at 48 hours and I was happy with the results.  I have dabbled a bit in the home brewing, mainly over the winter.  I am sure there are shops/websites all over but I have gotten all my supplies from Northern Brewer.  Easy shopping and easy to follow instructions.  
    Mankato, MN - LBGE
  • Griffin
    Griffin Posts: 8,200
    texaswig said:
    @Photo Egg I kinda needed something else to geek out on. I knew pizza was the next. 

     Have you brewed beer yet? :-)
    That's a whole nother rabbit whole. I don't want to know how much I have tied up in brewing equipment.

    Rowlett, Texas

    Griffin's Grub or you can find me on Facebook

    The Supreme Potentate, Sovereign Commander and Sultan of Wings

     

  • Carolina Q
    Carolina Q Posts: 14,831
    SciAggie said:
    @Carolina Q If you can handle wet dough and your oven is crazy hot I'll bet the crust is amazing. I'm betting the average guy will lose his mind trying to handle that dough. 
    Found a couple of vids on handling wet dough. I think I like the first one. May have to finally get a metal peel though. No more crazy hot oven, but I've been doing a baking steel @ 550° then the broiler. We'll see...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEG1BjWroT0
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xREpnr1Frf8

    I hate it when I go to the kitchen for food and all I find are ingredients!                                                                                                                                                                                                                           

    Michael 
    Central Connecticut 

  • SciAggie
    SciAggie Posts: 6,481
    I don't mind dealing with very high hydration dough for bread and foccacia. Two things concern me about the 80% pizza dough for 7 days. After several days the gluten breaks down more and in my experience dough becomes "soupy". So the 80% hydration is one challenge - yeast and bacterial breakdown of the gluten is another.
    I find that high hydration pizza dough is just not fun to deal with. It's easy to tear and wet toppings can cause issues with the crust. I have more fun making pizzas with a much lower hydration dough.
    None of my opinions really matter here - I'm just commenting because I have the time, lol.
    Coleman, Texas
    Large BGE & Mini Max for the wok. A few old camp Dutch ovens and a wood fired oven. LSG 24” cabinet offset smoker. There are a few paella pans and a Patagonia cross in the barn. A curing chamber for bacterial transformation of meats...
    "Bourbon slushies. Sure you can cook on the BGE without them, but why would you?"
                                                                                                                          YukonRon
  • fishlessman
    fishlessman Posts: 34,580
    SciAggie said:
    I don't mind dealing with very high hydration dough for bread and foccacia. Two things concern me about the 80% pizza dough for 7 days. After several days the gluten breaks down more and in my experience dough becomes "soupy". So the 80% hydration is one challenge - yeast and bacterial breakdown of the gluten is another.
    I find that high hydration pizza dough is just not fun to deal with. It's easy to tear and wet toppings can cause issues with the crust. I have more fun making pizzas with a much lower hydration dough.
    None of my opinions really matter here - I'm just commenting because I have the time, lol.

    we have several italian bakery pizza places, their pies are more on track with the pie zippylip posted a week ago. they are cooked in rectangular trays similar to the thick sicilians but thinner, light sauce, hard grated cheese. they almost pour it into the tray and push it out to the edges. this was zippylips christmas type pie. zippys is kicked up a bit. something not seen many places


    this ones from what we call mingah valley, mostly sicilian

    Best Of  Big Green Egg - EGGhead Forum - The Ultimate Cooking Experience

    one i did a few years back

    italian bakery tray pizza  Big Green Egg - EGGhead Forum - The Ultimate  Cooking Experience



    fukahwee maine

    you can lead a fish to water but you can not make him drink it
  • texaswig
    texaswig Posts: 2,682
    @fishlessman there's no pizza like that around my area. I'll have to try to make that some time. 

    2-XLs ,MM,blackstone,Ooni koda 16,R&V works 8.5 gallon fryer,express smoker and 40" smoking cajun 

    scott 
    Greenville Tx
  • SonVolt
    SonVolt Posts: 3,316
    That's a good looking pizza.

    I'm about to go down that rabbit hole myself. Right now I'm more interested in NY style so sticking with high protein American flours. I just got The Pizza Bible yesterday and it's listing Gold Medal All Trumps as 14.2% protein w/malt and potassium bromate added.  I'm saving the 00 and Neo styles until i get more experienced.  


    South of Nashville  -  BGE XL  -  Alfresco 42" ALXE  -  Alfresco Versa Burner  - Sunbeam Microwave 
  • fishlessman
    fishlessman Posts: 34,580
    texaswig said:
    @fishlessman there's no pizza like that around my area. I'll have to try to make that some time. 

    if you missed it, heres zippys recipe, the pies here were meant to be sold inexpensively  for the poor blue collar workerbees in the area.  zippys is over the top

    fukahwee maine

    you can lead a fish to water but you can not make him drink it
  • SonVolt
    SonVolt Posts: 3,316
    SciAggie said:
    I don't mind dealing with very high hydration dough for bread and foccacia. Two things concern me about the 80% pizza dough for 7 days. After several days the gluten breaks down more and in my experience dough becomes "soupy". So the 80% hydration is one challenge - yeast and bacterial breakdown of the gluten is another.
    I find that high hydration pizza dough is just not fun to deal with. It's easy to tear and wet toppings can cause issues with the crust. I have more fun making pizzas with a much lower hydration dough.
    None of my opinions really matter here - I'm just commenting because I have the time, lol.

    we have several italian bakery pizza places, their pies are more on track with the pie zippylip posted a week ago. they are cooked in rectangular trays similar to the thick sicilians but thinner, light sauce, hard grated cheese. they almost pour it into the tray and push it out to the edges. this was zippylips christmas type pie. zippys is kicked up a bit. something not seen many places


    this ones from what we call mingah valley, mostly sicilian

    Best Of  Big Green Egg - EGGhead Forum - The Ultimate Cooking Experience

    one i did a few years back

    italian bakery tray pizza  Big Green Egg - EGGhead Forum - The Ultimate  Cooking Experience




    Aren't those known as "Grandma Slices" in the industry? 
    South of Nashville  -  BGE XL  -  Alfresco 42" ALXE  -  Alfresco Versa Burner  - Sunbeam Microwave 
  • texaswig
    texaswig Posts: 2,682
    @fishlessman thanks. @SonVolt the pizza bible is a good book.

    2-XLs ,MM,blackstone,Ooni koda 16,R&V works 8.5 gallon fryer,express smoker and 40" smoking cajun 

    scott 
    Greenville Tx
  • SonVolt
    SonVolt Posts: 3,316
    edited December 2020
    texaswig said:
    @fishlessman thanks. @SonVolt the pizza bible is a good book.

    @texaswig

    Have you tried the NY/NJ sauce recipe from it yet? It calls for mixing crushed tomato, whole peeled tomatoes and tomato paste. Seems fussy, but I'm willing to try it if the results are worth it. 
    South of Nashville  -  BGE XL  -  Alfresco 42" ALXE  -  Alfresco Versa Burner  - Sunbeam Microwave 
  • texaswig
    texaswig Posts: 2,682
    @SonVolt I haven't. But last time I I made pizzas. I used one can of whole San Marzano tomatoes and half a can on tomatoe paste. Then some oregano. Cooked it a little. My wife liked it better than the plain tomatoes. 

    2-XLs ,MM,blackstone,Ooni koda 16,R&V works 8.5 gallon fryer,express smoker and 40" smoking cajun 

    scott 
    Greenville Tx
  • Carolina Q
    Carolina Q Posts: 14,831
    I don't use "pizza sauce" per se. I use Cento Italian whole peeled tomatoes (sometimes San Marzano, but not always) run through a food mill and spread sparingly over the pizza. Then, a couple of pinches of salt, a few grinds of black pepper, a light dusting of dried oregano and another of garlic powder. Basically, lightly seasoned tomatoes. No cooking.

    Then, apply cheese and toppings as desired, maybe another dusting of oregano and a drizzle of olive oil. Quick, easy and mighty tasty.

    I hate it when I go to the kitchen for food and all I find are ingredients!                                                                                                                                                                                                                           

    Michael 
    Central Connecticut 

  • Lit
    Lit Posts: 9,053
    RyanStl said:
    For fermentation times, if you have some doughs in the fridge, but can't get to them; would you freeze? If so would you freeze in a ball or form the pie, then freeze?
    I make 1000 gram batches which is 5 good sized pizzas. After its risen fully i divide and fold into balls and flour the outsides then saran wrap and into the freezer. Once frozen i food saver them. Pull them out in the morning and throw in a covered bowl on the counter and they are ready for dinner time.
  • SonVolt
    SonVolt Posts: 3,316
    edited December 2020
    I don't use "pizza sauce" per se. I use Cento Italian whole peeled tomatoes (sometimes San Marzano, but not always) run through a food mill and spread sparingly over the pizza. Then, a couple of pinches of salt, a few grinds of black pepper, a light dusting of dried oregano and another of garlic powder. Basically, lightly seasoned tomatoes. No cooking.

    Then, apply cheese and toppings as desired, maybe another dusting of oregano and a drizzle of olive oil. Quick, easy and mighty tasty.

    That's usually my recipe for sauce also, except I grate 1 small garlic glove into the sauce with a microplane instead of the powder, and add a tiny splash of red wine vinegar. It's perfect, but I was exploring more traditional NY style sauces. 
    South of Nashville  -  BGE XL  -  Alfresco 42" ALXE  -  Alfresco Versa Burner  - Sunbeam Microwave 
  • Carolina Q
    Carolina Q Posts: 14,831
    SonVolt said:
     but I was exploring more traditional NY style sauces. 
    Kenji has a good one...
    https://www.seriouseats.com/recipes/2010/10/new-york-style-pizza-sauce.html

    I hate it when I go to the kitchen for food and all I find are ingredients!                                                                                                                                                                                                                           

    Michael 
    Central Connecticut 

  • fishlessman
    fishlessman Posts: 34,580
    edited December 2020
    SonVolt said:
    SciAggie said:
    I don't mind dealing with very high hydration dough for bread and foccacia. Two things concern me about the 80% pizza dough for 7 days. After several days the gluten breaks down more and in my experience dough becomes "soupy". So the 80% hydration is one challenge - yeast and bacterial breakdown of the gluten is another.
    I find that high hydration pizza dough is just not fun to deal with. It's easy to tear and wet toppings can cause issues with the crust. I have more fun making pizzas with a much lower hydration dough.
    None of my opinions really matter here - I'm just commenting because I have the time, lol.

    we have several italian bakery pizza places, their pies are more on track with the pie zippylip posted a week ago. they are cooked in rectangular trays similar to the thick sicilians but thinner, light sauce, hard grated cheese. they almost pour it into the tray and push it out to the edges. this was zippylips christmas type pie. zippys is kicked up a bit. something not seen many places


    this ones from what we call mingah valley, mostly sicilian

    Best Of  Big Green Egg - EGGhead Forum - The Ultimate Cooking Experience

    one i did a few years back

    italian bakery tray pizza  Big Green Egg - EGGhead Forum - The Ultimate  Cooking Experience




    Aren't those known as "Grandma Slices" in the industry? 

    grandma slice will have mozzerella and toppings, bakery pizza uses hard dry parmasian and or romano. of the 5 local joints here, one will add a slice of provolone and toss it back into the oven. they used to sell it in doughnut boxes stacked so mozz would make a mess. closest thing would be rhode island pizza strips
    fukahwee maine

    you can lead a fish to water but you can not make him drink it
  • RyanStl
    RyanStl Posts: 1,050
    Lit said:
    RyanStl said:
    For fermentation times, if you have some doughs in the fridge, but can't get to them; would you freeze? If so would you freeze in a ball or form the pie, then freeze?
    I make 1000 gram batches which is 5 good sized pizzas. After its risen fully i divide and fold into balls and flour the outsides then saran wrap and into the freezer. Once frozen i food saver them. Pull them out in the morning and throw in a covered bowl on the counter and they are ready for dinner time.
    Damn, I'm sitting here at my kids soccer practice and completely forgot to throw the dough in the freezer. I'll get to it tonight. I'll have a 6 days in the fridge. Oh well, kids won't notice.
  • nolaegghead
    nolaegghead Posts: 42,109
    RyanStl said:
    Lit said:
    RyanStl said:
    For fermentation times, if you have some doughs in the fridge, but can't get to them; would you freeze? If so would you freeze in a ball or form the pie, then freeze?
    I make 1000 gram batches which is 5 good sized pizzas. After its risen fully i divide and fold into balls and flour the outsides then saran wrap and into the freezer. Once frozen i food saver them. Pull them out in the morning and throw in a covered bowl on the counter and they are ready for dinner time.
    Damn, I'm sitting here at my kids soccer practice and completely forgot to throw the dough in the freezer. I'll get to it tonight. I'll have a 6 days in the fridge. Oh well, kids won't notice.
    Let me know if that works.  I freeze a lot of dough but I only tried freezing over-proofed dough once and it didn't freeze well.  When I thawed it out a bunch of water separated from the dough and I ended up throwing it away.  But this was waaayyy over-proofed.  I like to experiment and learn stuff.

    ______________________________________________
    I love lamp..
  • texaswig said:
    @Photo Egg I kinda needed something else to geek out on. I knew pizza was the next. 

     Have you brewed beer yet? :-)
    People keep asking me when I'm going to get into home-brewing, and for whatever reason I don't have that itch.  I've had friends start the process at my house (it's a long story) and it just doesn't interest me.   I am also very happy with our local bottle shop so that probably factors into it.

     I enjoy brewing, mostly in the winter when I have more time. I make 12 gallon batches and keg it. Obviously it is rewarding but by the time spring rolls around I can find much better things to do.  I will make a mead as my last batch and let it sit in the conical all summer.
    That's cool, Andrew, I didn't know you home brewed.  What do you like to make?

    I have friends who are really into it and really good, and I always appreciate trying the stuff they give me.  
     I have been home brewing for 14 years or so, my bil got me started on it. He also got me hyped on a egg too, pretty cool guy. I like to make any kind of beer. I usually end up with a ipa or esb, call it whatever you want it is good. If I follow a recipe it is to make something like a Belgian tripel or citra ipa. I also make mead, cysers, melomels. 
    South of Columbus, Ohio.