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  • NorthPilot06
    NorthPilot06 Posts: 1,179
    Absolutely. I’m a snob about pizza but pizza in the oven is still great, just requires a different technique than neopolitan. 
    DFW - 1 LGBE & Happy to Adopt More...
  • Stormbringer
    Stormbringer Posts: 2,475
    I found the link. I thought I had lost it. I have the recipe written down at home. I have had awesome results with this.

    https://thecooksdigest.co.uk/2018/06/29/new-and-improved-pizza-dough-recipe/
    Got it. I was thinking of his original recipe, which I think did have some sugar in it.

    That one is pretty much right out of the Forkish book, which is fine except they're designed for lower temps than @mlc2013 will be able to get to on his new oven.  For example, it's a 75% hydration dough.  That's very high.  I'd suggest backing way off that, to something closer to 65%.  
    @JohnInCarolina what temps do you normally cook at? I use the 75% hydration dough at 700F. 
    I’m usually between 850 and 900F.
    @JohnInCarolina interesting, I haven’t clocked the temp gauge to date. What would happen to 75% hydra action dough at that level?
    I don't know, I've never tried ultra-high hydration doughs at those temps.  It doesn't really make sense.  The higher hydrations are for lower temps where the cook times are longer, and there is more time for the crust to lose moisture.

     
    I can see an experiment of varying dough hydration in pizza dough for high temperature cooks on the horizon. :)
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  • Photo Egg
    Photo Egg Posts: 12,137
    This is a pretty good video about dough issues and he talks about oven temp at the end. It's in Italian so you must read the subtitles but it's worth a watch.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vV4gegZ7JNU
    Thank you,
    Darian

    Galveston Texas
  • mlc2013
    mlc2013 Posts: 988
    gotta say I love this company already their tracking said friday by 8:00 pm i came home for lunch today and as i was leaving in comes fed ex with the stove. I have not bought the flour to make the dough yet that was going to be tomorrow gig being I had till friday night most likely sturdy, now i have to find a dough I can make in a hurry i grabbed 10 lbs of kaput 00 flour from a friend of min who has a pizzeria but he would not part with his pre made dough. ugh first wold problems i guess
    Long Island NY    
    1 XL BGE 12/17, 1 LG BGE 3/18, 1 MM BGE 3/18
  • That is one cool looking little oven.
    "I've made a note never to piss you two off." - Stike

    "The truth is, these are not very bright guys, and things got out of hand." - Deep Throat
  • mlc2013
    mlc2013 Posts: 988
    Now I need a mixer I have a commercial mixer in my store but need a small one for the house any suggestions? (I know I will probably regret that question)
    Long Island NY    
    1 XL BGE 12/17, 1 LG BGE 3/18, 1 MM BGE 3/18
  • mlc2013 said:
    Now I need a mixer I have a commercial mixer in my store but need a small one for the house any suggestions? (I know I will probably regret that question)
    You for sure do not need a mixer.  Mix by hand with relatively small batches.  I’m typically not making much more than 3-4 dough balls at a time and you can do that by hand, no problem.  The Forkish book will walk you through the process.
    "I've made a note never to piss you two off." - Stike

    "The truth is, these are not very bright guys, and things got out of hand." - Deep Throat
  • mlc2013
    mlc2013 Posts: 988
    JohnInCarolina the oven beat the book it should be here tonight 

    Im having a pizza party next weekend and plan on 50 pizzas or so
    Long Island NY    
    1 XL BGE 12/17, 1 LG BGE 3/18, 1 MM BGE 3/18
  • mlc2013 said:
    JohnInCarolina the oven beat the book it should be here tonight 

    Im having a pizza party next weekend and plan on 50 pizzas or so
    LOL dude you really do go all-in!  

    But 50 pies - mother of God.  Use your commercial mixer.
    "I've made a note never to piss you two off." - Stike

    "The truth is, these are not very bright guys, and things got out of hand." - Deep Throat
  • mlc2013
    mlc2013 Posts: 988
    most likely will do that 
    Long Island NY    
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  • DoubleEgger
    DoubleEgger Posts: 19,169
    mlc2013 said:
    JohnInCarolina the oven beat the book it should be here tonight 

    Im having a pizza party next weekend and plan on 50 pizzas or so
    You’re planning on slinging 50 pies this weekend on that one oven? You’re gonna be one whipped mofo after that party. 
  • mlc2013
    mlc2013 Posts: 988
     To make it worse it’s going to be after a six hour endurance bike race last year I did ribs and brisket on the egg this year I’m gonna do pulled pork and pizzas I’m gonna bring the large egg and the oven.  My wife will help make the pizza I’ll probably just be cooking I’ll make the dough probably get a few people help stretch to doUgh
    Long Island NY    
    1 XL BGE 12/17, 1 LG BGE 3/18, 1 MM BGE 3/18
  • Canugghead
    Canugghead Posts: 13,704
    edited October 2018
    Man-o-man you're jumping in with all four limbs! I'm sure you can pull this off, take lots of pictures.

    edit: may be I worry too much, skinny long stone slabs make me nervous. I've heard of similarly shaped refractory stones breaking in Fontana wfo. perhaps these biscottis are less prone to breaking IDK
    canuckland
  • mlc2013
    mlc2013 Posts: 988
    Canugghead i just read not to have at over 900 for more then 90 minutes
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  • mlc2013
    mlc2013 Posts: 988
    My wife and I are discussing maybe changing the menu and not making pizzas next week but just do pulled pork Sammie’s as it might be to hard to do what we want without comforts of home. The race is obviously in the woods and it will most likely be really cold out plus no real ability to wash hands pizza is going to be a bad idea. So that takes some pressure off us now back to learning b how to make dough
    Long Island NY    
    1 XL BGE 12/17, 1 LG BGE 3/18, 1 MM BGE 3/18
  • Canugghead
    Canugghead Posts: 13,704
    edited October 2018
    The 900-90 warning is not necessarily for the stones, IMO it could be for the safeguard of other components. Thermal shock is probably the worse enemy of stone, not sustained high temp, just my now defunct canuck two cents.
    canuckland
  • mlc2013
    mlc2013 Posts: 988
    @Canugghead I agree I think it’s the burner. Anyway can’t wait to use it
    Long Island NY    
    1 XL BGE 12/17, 1 LG BGE 3/18, 1 MM BGE 3/18
  • mlc2013
    mlc2013 Posts: 988
    So we finally had our first go at the pizza party ardore oven and must say even though i did almost everything wrong the zza's tasted great and looked great if you ignored the shapes.

    Lets start with what I did fist was the dough;
    I made 2 different recipes and as not sure what to do,
    First recipe was;
    1 Liter Water
    10 gram yeast
    55 grams salt
    1,700 grams yeast
    20 grams EVOO

    I would get room temp water and mix in the salt until full dissolved, then I would mix in EVOO until fully mixed then slowly dissolve the yeast breaking apart with my hand, then I slowly added 1,000 grams of flour and mixed by hand until the dough started to become solid i then took the remaining 700 grams of dough and poured half onto the counter then the already started mixed dough then the other half of the 700 gram dough on top and continue too mix for about 15-20 minutes (my arms and hands were tires after the first batch) I then shaped into a big round half ball and placed on a counter wrapping in a damp cloth and let sit for 1 hour.

    While the first dough was sitting I started my second recipe;
    1 kilo flour
    600 grams Water
    15 grams Yeast
    20 grams salt
    30 grams EVOO

    I would get room temp water and mix in the salt until full dissolved, then I would mix in EVOO until fully mixed then slowly dissolve the yeast breaking apart with my hand, then I slowly added 1 kilo of flour and mixed by hand until the dough started to become solid i then took out of bowl and mixed on the counter with was lightly floured by hand for another 15-20 minutes and gain forming a half ball and placed on counter with a damp cloth over it to rest for a hour

    I then started on a cauliflower crust and a chicken crust as well,

    I took 3 heads of cauliflower and just the florets off and put in a food processor to rice the cauliflower I then took the riced florets and cooked them over a low heat on the stove top for about 40 minutes stirring every 2 minutes or so I cook them till the steam pretty much stop and the riced flower was pretty much dried still white in color I didnt want to burn them just dry them out. I then took 2 cups of riced flower (cooled) and 1 xl egg and ½ cup shredded not grated pecorino and ½ cup shredded not grated asiago and mixed well, I then flatted the mic out on parchment paper and shaped into a 12-14" pizza put in a 400 degree oven for 20 minutes

    the above pizza dough was ready to shape I cut the ½ round balls into 3 strips about 3" wide and started to from my dough balls aiming for 185 gram balls i placed them on a floured cookie sheet and cover in plastic wrap which was my FIRST MISTAKE  I made the plastic wrap to tight so that when i went to remove almost all of the dough stuck to it, it was a complete mess 

    SECOND MISTAKE I put dough right into fridge for their 48 hour proof, I had mixed reviews on to cold proof or not but I new I would not have the time to make the dough either sat night or sunday morning so I had to hope the 48 hour cold proof was a good idea, which I do not believe it was, further more I got mixed answers on when to take dough out of fridge monring of so I did both I took one tray of each dough recipe out at about 7:00 am for a 6:00 pm start and took the remaing tray of each dough recipe out at 3:00 pm for a 6:00 pm start 

    THIRD MISTAKE i planned on everyone getting in at 5:30 so we can start making our own pizzas at 6:00 but forgot about the most important reason why we get together with friends on weekends, the DRINKING needless to say we didnt start making the pizza until about 8:00

    Here are a few photos of the dough I didnt document this very well as I was busy Bullshiting with friends and drinking

    This is the tray of the first recipe posted taken out of fridge at 7:00 am photo taken around 8:00 pm after fighting to get the first dough ball out of tray which the plastic wrap was stuck to


    This is a photo of the first recipe dough tray taken out of fridge at 3:00 pm taken at around 8:00 pm

    This is a photo of the second dough recipe taken out of fridge at 3:00 pm photo taken at around 8:00; I did not get a photo of this recipe dough taken out of fridge at 7:00 am like I said I didnt document very well 

    The toppings my wife and I decided we will pre cook a bunch of toppings and put them out so everyone can decide how to top their pies after stretching and shaping their own pie;

    We used 3 different sauce as I didnt have time to make my own RAOS was the brand we choose this is their vodka sauce on the left and their Marinara on the right we had sliced olives and sliced pepperoni sticks and you can see some of the shredded asiago cheese above I head left over from the cauliflower and chicken crust 



    This is their marinara on the left and their tomato basil on the right and you can see the EVOO, roasted peppers, sea salt, and the "00" flour we used as well

    The prosciutto 


    The lamb sausage and meatballs and sautéed mushrooms


    The fresh mozzarella and the shredded pecorino


    The fresh mushrooms and the fresh basil and locatelli and again the asiago 


    The meatballs and the sautéed mushrooms


    The corned beef and the pastrami


    The ricotta  (we did not use the persimmons for the pizza)


    The parsley and cheese italian sausage and the pepperoni


    Now the finished product photos again I didnt document well so some are whole some are just the remming slices some are in the oven etc we made some 20 different pizza and 3 calzones for 4 couples yeah we ate like we were never going to eat again






    My wife Laureen's first pie ever deserved a video but I have no idea how to post a video on here

    Our favorite pie was the white clam pie and the pastrami corned beed mustard pie

    Back to the cauliflower crust they came out great nice and strong we havent finished making them yet so will do so this week but here are photos of them after the first cook a great low carb alternative



    Also as for the chicken crust another another great crust for those looking for a low carb alternative we didn't finish making yet but all you need is 1 lb ground chicken 1 xl egg and ½ cup asiago cheese shredded n to grated and ½ cup pecorino cheese shredded not grated what ever seasoning you like mix and press into a pizza shape on parchment paper and cook 20 minutes at 450 then top and cook again here is a photo of the crust after first cook 
    Thanks for looking I know its long

    Have a great day
    Long Island NY    
    1 XL BGE 12/17, 1 LG BGE 3/18, 1 MM BGE 3/18
  • I'm actually really impressed by the extent to which you went after this all at once.  I bet you learned a ton just between the beginning and end of dinner.

    Anyway, all you will do is get better from here on out, so enjoy the ride!

    How did you like the oven?  
    "I've made a note never to piss you two off." - Stike

    "The truth is, these are not very bright guys, and things got out of hand." - Deep Throat
  • mlc2013
    mlc2013 Posts: 988
    JohnInCarolina yes I learned how to better handle the pizza and turn in the oven better I also learned what not to do with dough and the limit on toppings as well. I loved the oven we had a few mishaps with a overloaded pizza breaking through the dough and burning to the oven floor scarped a way real easy the oven was on for hours and no problems it came to the temp I was looking for 780 beck in under 20 minutes and the temp contraol gauge was pretty responsive the top was never to hot to touch and the flame covered the top of the pizzas cooking pretty evenly  you really only had to turn the pizza once the left side and back cooked pretty equally then after 1 180 degree spine the other 2 sides cooked well the bottom never burned not once even after having a calzone explode in the oven because of bad craftsmanship. I have a few videos but dont know how to post them on this forum

    Long Island NY    
    1 XL BGE 12/17, 1 LG BGE 3/18, 1 MM BGE 3/18
  • Canugghead
    Canugghead Posts: 13,704
    Love it, that's a boatload of pizzas. Thanks for sharing. Damn, got the discount code, 21 days remaining, so tempting!
    canuckland
  • mlc2013
    mlc2013 Posts: 988
    Canugghead i have no experience with the rocco box but this oven is great and light enough and easy to carry so i will be taking tailgating etc. I did not burn 1 pie even though I clearly dont know how to make dough yet and the oven cleaned real easy my recommendation is really not worth anything as Have nothing to compare to but i like it and im happy with my purchase

    Long Island NY    
    1 XL BGE 12/17, 1 LG BGE 3/18, 1 MM BGE 3/18
  • Eggcelsior
    Eggcelsior Posts: 14,414
    edited November 2018
  • mlc2013
    mlc2013 Posts: 988
    Eggcelsior
    .   ?
    Long Island NY    
    1 XL BGE 12/17, 1 LG BGE 3/18, 1 MM BGE 3/18
  • caliking
    caliking Posts: 19,780
    Dude... talk about diving in head first!! So very awesome :)

    Like sex, its hard to have bad homemade pizza. Learning curve for sure, but you obviously have the right approach. 

    I'm no pizzaiolo, but I recently spent a few weeks experimenting with indoor 'zas, and the some of the things I learned are - 

    - if you have a pizza oven that runs >650°F, then tipo 00 flour is your friend. It really shines with the higher heat that indoor ovens are not capable of. A mix of bread flour and AP flour seems to work better when using a kitchen oven. 

    - EVOO softens the dough somewhat, and isn't necessary with a high temp pizza oven. 

    - Hand mixing the dough is the way to go, unless of course you have plans to feed an army. I erroneously thought that mechanical kneading would develop better gluten structure (from my bread experience) but such was not the case. Yes, @JohnInCarolina, I realize you politely  ignored my suggestion not too long ago. I was wrong. 

    - Cold fermenting in the fridge overnight does wonders for developing the flavors in the crust. 

    - What a 4yo considers to be a good pizza is  different from what you may consider to be a good pie :smiley:

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  • Photo Egg
    Photo Egg Posts: 12,137
    caliking said:


    - What a 4yo considers to be a good pizza is  different from what you may consider to be a good pie :smiley:
    Best line ever!
    Thank you,
    Darian

    Galveston Texas
  • Photo Egg
    Photo Egg Posts: 12,137
    mlc2013 said:
    So we finally had our first go at the pizza party ardore oven and must say even though i did almost everything wrong the zza's tasted great and looked great if you ignored the shapes.


    Thanks for looking I know its long

    Have a great day
    Holy crap...that's too much information to process just trying to read it let alone while trying to cook. Amazing!
    Your next try I hope you slow it down and just focus on the dough, getting a thin crust laid out with a basic pie.
    Thank you,
    Darian

    Galveston Texas
  • Photo Egg
    Photo Egg Posts: 12,137
    mlc2013 said:
    caliking + Photo Egg the reason for the dive right in approach is that i was so very excited (and impatient) and thought to myself (I ran with the bulls, I climbed mount Everest, I cooked an edible brisket, I got my wife to let me buy a pizza oven) I got this (ever so cockily) never realizing how important the dough technigue (needing/mixing/timing/balling?singing to it)) was and just didnt understand the ramifications but one thing I can tell you is that I fully understand the error in my haste. Although fun was had by all and the finished product was still very edible, I know I have a lot to learn I have since read 2 books cover to covering watched hours of youtube vides on different techniques (I know reading and watching is a lot different then doing) but im confident that I will make a better dough this time and form a better shaped pizza will it be the last dough change I ever do no but I hope it'll be a change in the right direction.
    Thanks for the kind words and I will get this with your help im sure of it
    I can't wait for your next post and I would never call your above pizza night anything but amazing. Wow, you tried everything in one night. Your motivation and energy level are way above mine.
    Thank you,
    Darian

    Galveston Texas