Started planning for the outdoor kitchen and bar

YukonRon · May 2018

lousubcap said:

@YukonRon if I recall right, wasn't last night a brisket, slushie and wine fueled evening? Thus you may want to have a do-over

Um, yeah.....good point....looking at my notes, they make no sense, whatsoever...

YukonRon · May 2018

gmac said:

YukonRon said:

gmac said:

@YukonRon what’s the budget? I’ve got about $78 to work with. Gonna be tight
Can’t wait to see what you end up doing. Glad to see someone is ready to pull the pin. I cant make up my mind.

I am starting a go fund me.

Can you make it a go fund us?

May as well....

Legume · May 2018

caliking said:

Especially since you may be tight on space, maybe reconsider the fridge and wine cooler?

i briefly looked into building an outdoor kitchen, and wanted a fridge, but the cost of a good fridge that would do well in the TX heat didn’t seem worth it.

Again, my dalliance with the idea doesn’t come close to the thought you are giving to yours.

I have a repurposed dorm fridge that cost me $35 new on a Black Friday. It’s minimally sheltered under a gasser shelf and edge of roofline. Still going, not sure what it’s costing me in electricity to run, but it’s been great. When it’s done, I will toss it, maybe get another. It’s not a looker, you may need to put a paper bag over it.

YukonRon · May 2018

caliking said:

Especially since you may be tight on space, maybe reconsider the fridge and wine cooler?

i briefly looked into building an outdoor kitchen, and wanted a fridge, but the cost of a good fridge that would do well in the TX heat didn’t seem worth it.

Again, my dalliance with the idea doesn’t come close to the thought you are giving to yours.

Yeah I know, you are right. Both of our fridges and wine cellars/fridge are in easy crawling distance.
Great points.
I may have to delete that idea, because you make such good sense.

YukonRon · May 2018

Legume said:

caliking said:

Especially since you may be tight on space, maybe reconsider the fridge and wine cooler?

i briefly looked into building an outdoor kitchen, and wanted a fridge, but the cost of a good fridge that would do well in the TX heat didn’t seem worth it.

Again, my dalliance with the idea doesn’t come close to the thought you are giving to yours.

I have a repurposed dorm fridge that cost me $35 new on a Black Friday. It’s minimally sheltered under a gasser shelf and edge of roofline. Still going, not sure what it’s costing me in electricity to run, but it’s been great. When it’s done, I will toss it, maybe get another. It’s not a looker, you may need to put a paper bag over it.

Our son has a college dorm fridge sitting in the back of my expedition. It too is not for looking at, just for keeping his beer cold.
It may require a repurposing......

thetrim · May 2018

We added one of the dorm fridge into the shed where I keep my lawn equipment. My electrician father in law is a freaking genius and a week after we set up the shed (It's a nice looking Keter, 11' x 7.5'), he had it wired for electricity with a fluorescent light in the ceiling and cold beer in a fridge. Like I said, straight up genius. The fridge is holding up well in the year and half we've been here in hot humid Florida and even made it thru a direct pass over of Hurricane Irma

YukonRon · May 2018

thetrim said:

We added one of the dorm fridge into the shed where I keep my lawn equipment. My electrician father in law is a freaking genius and a week after we set up the shed (It's a nice looking Keter, 11' x 7.5'), he had it wired for electricity with a fluorescent light in the ceiling and cold beer in a fridge. Like I said, straight up genius. The fridge is holding up well in the year and half we've been here in hot humid Florida and even made it thru a direct pass over of Hurricane Irma

I am wavering about the fridge but seeing the constant communication about them holding up is what keeps me interested.
Thank you for the input....liking what I see

NorthPilot06 · May 2018

FWIW - the Lieberr fridge that I have can keep food/beer at 36 degrees F despite direct sunlight and 100+ degree temperatures. May be overkill for what you might need, but it sure looks good and has worked exceptionally!

thetrim · May 2018

This is going to be a fun thread to follow

YukonRon · May 2018

NorthPilot06 said:

FWIW - the Lieberr fridge that I have can keep food/beer at 36 degrees F despite direct sunlight and 100+ degree temperatures. May be overkill for what you might need, but it sure looks good and has worked exceptionally!

Thank you, and we will likely start with the wish list and work backwards. Adding it to the wish list.

thetrim · May 2018

I will also say, if you buy one w a freezer unit (inside the single dorm fridge door, you'll have to defrost it every year or so. Not a big deal. I usually unplug mine, take it out in the grass, and let it thaw on it's own terms. That doesn't take long down here. Just don't try and chip away at the ice. I tried that once, hit a freon line, and off to the dump went the fridge. Ima vote for pro fridge.

northGAcock · May 2018

YukonRon said:

thetrim said:

We added one of the dorm fridge into the shed where I keep my lawn equipment. My electrician father in law is a freaking genius and a week after we set up the shed (It's a nice looking Keter, 11' x 7.5'), he had it wired for electricity with a fluorescent light in the ceiling and cold beer in a fridge. Like I said, straight up genius. The fridge is holding up well in the year and half we've been here in hot humid Florida and even made it thru a direct pass over of Hurricane Irma

I am wavering about the fridge but seeing the constant communication about them holding up is what keeps me interested.
Thank you for the input....liking what I see

They make Comercial outdoor frig’s Ron. Don’t skimp.

YukonRon · May 2018

northGAcock said:

YukonRon said:

thetrim said:

We added one of the dorm fridge into the shed where I keep my lawn equipment. My electrician father in law is a freaking genius and a week after we set up the shed (It's a nice looking Keter, 11' x 7.5'), he had it wired for electricity with a fluorescent light in the ceiling and cold beer in a fridge. Like I said, straight up genius. The fridge is holding up well in the year and half we've been here in hot humid Florida and even made it thru a direct pass over of Hurricane Irma

I am wavering about the fridge but seeing the constant communication about them holding up is what keeps me interested.
Thank you for the input....liking what I see

They make Comercial outdoor frig’s Ron. Don’t skimp.

We won't. Whatever we end up doing we will do this thing right.
I appreciate your input, keep it coming.

Jeremiah · May 2018

This will be a fun thread to follow. We’re planning an outdoor kitchen/ patio as well, with a similiar timeline, because, well, we’re poor as chit...

Jeremiah · May 2018

If I may add something of actual value, here’s what we’re planning for the roof, as our deck sits in a spot where there’s different roof angles, making for a challenging traditional lean to type roof. https://www.skylifthardware.com/

YukonRon · May 2018

Jeremiah said:

This will be a fun thread to follow. We’re planning an outdoor kitchen/ patio as well, with a similiar timeline, because, well, we’re poor as chit...

@Jeremiah
Me, you and @gmac...... go fund me...

YukonRon · May 2018

Jeremiah said:

If I may add something of actual value, here’s what we’re planning for the roof, as our deck sits in a spot where there’s different roof angles, making for a challenging traditional lean to type roof. https://www.skylifthardware.com/

That is a great idea. I like it. May use it.

FrostyEgg · May 2018

Taking notes for all of this. It's on the to-do list.

YukonRon · May 2018

FrostyEgg said:

Taking notes for all of this. It's on the to-do list.

As an I. Be careful, these folks can spend lots of your money......

bucky925 · May 2018

My daughter has been in town this week. We have walked the backyard scooping out a place for a WFO and a green house. I will follow this thread closly. #1 daughter wants me to do both (proud she wants us to spend $ instead of saving it for her inheritance ). At this point in time If I had to choose I think I would go with the greenhouse . Cindy has her craft room, I think I would enjoy the greenhouse. But my mind can be changed.

YukonRon · May 2018

bucky925 said: hi

My daughter has been in town this week. We have walked the backyard scooping out a place for a WFO and a green house. I will follow this thread closly. #1 daughter wants me to do both (proud she wants us to spend $ instead of saving it for her inheritance ). At this point in time If I had to choose I think I would go with the greenhouse . Cindy has her craft room, I think I would enjoy the greenhouse. But my mind can be changed.

Will the greenhouse have a bye and a bar? If so, doable on my end.

bgebrent · May 2018

Ron,
Be sure to incorporate one of these!

YukonRon · May 2018

Already got the pit. Thinking about using the non used dog kennel for the grid. Folds up nicely.
Showed it to Suzy.....only one of us was laughing....not her.
She seems to be a bit, how do we say....non enthusiastic at this point....she WILL come around...

tarheelmatt · May 2018

If you have a place to drive through, I can bring the outdoor kitchen to you. If you move, you got it.

Image result for redneck outdoor kitchen

YukonRon · May 2018

tarheelmatt said:

If you have a place to drive through, I can bring the outdoor kitchen to you. If you move, you got it.

That is what I am working with now. Fits the neighborhood aesthetics.

MaskedMarvel · May 2018

Hey Ron -

i work in the restaurant business.
Pointers I’d contribute are things like -

lots Of prep space that’s easy to clean. Especially oil spills that stain surfaces easily - floor splatters!!

Everyone wants granite cutouts and useless rock. I’d integrate cutting board cutouts that fit those standard vinyl boards that can be put in the dishwasher that are different colors for different foods. Utilitarian? Maybe. But cheap to replace and easy to clean means more meat in the grill and more time spent with family.

Real power and real sink is very very helpful.

Storage is good. Having your cooking needs handy on the fly is really good. Don’t be ashamed of hanging things like pizza peels, spatulas ladels and tongs, towels, and rib racks.

I would integrate a waterproof overhang, specifically for my Smoke wireless thermometer. I love that thing. Whatever electronics you use will thank you for this.

Dont forget the music. No real
kitchen ever existed without
robotic sounds or death metal.

lighting - more is better

fire suppression - safety first!

I would also suggest looking at an outdoor deep fryer. We have a small one. It gets used less than the egg, but if you’re frying anything the advantages of having it outside become clear very quickly. This also harkens back to the floor splatters suggestion.

We ALMOST MIGHT be using our blackstone more than our egg. Integrating that would be a definite, in our home.

Outdoor refrigerators will fail. Indoor refrigerators have got it bad enough, as it is lol. I’d make an insert that fit a standard mini fridge style size and literally slide those things in and out as they die. Cheap. My friends with outdoor kitchens barely use their outdoor fridges. And the ones who have them have broken fridges they never bother to get repaired. But cold beer is delicious.

As is bourbon slushies...

... as is bloody marys.......

ok. Now I’m thirsty.

Good luck! Hope I threw some out of the box ideas your way. Cant wait to see how it goes!

8-Damien

YukonRon · May 2018

MaskedMarvel said: cerf

Hey Ron -

i work in the restaurant business.
Pointers I’d contribute are things like -

lots Of prep space that’s easy to clean. Especially oil spills that stain surfaces easily - floor splatters!!

Everyone wants granite cutouts and useless rock. I’d integrate cutting board cutouts that fit those standard vinyl boards that can be put in the dishwasher that are different colors for different foods. Utilitarian? Maybe. But cheap to replace and easy to clean means more meat in the grill and more time spent with family.

Real power and real sink is very very helpful.

Storage is good. Having your cooking needs handy on the fly is really good. Don’t be ashamed of hanging things like pizza peels, spatulas ladels and tongs, towels, and rib racks.

I would integrate a waterproof overhang, specifically for my Smoke wireless thermometer. I love that thing. Whatever electronics you use will thank you for this.

Dont forget the music. No real
kitchen ever existed without
robotic sounds or death metal.

lighting - more is better

fire suppression - safety first!

I would also suggest looking at an outdoor deep fryer. We have a small one. It gets used less than the egg, but if you’re frying anything the advantages of having it outside become clear very quickly. This also harkens back to the floor splatters suggestion.

We ALMOST MIGHT be using our blackstone more than our egg. Integrating that would be a definite, in our home.

Outdoor refrigerators will fail. Indoor refrigerators have got it bad enough, as it is lol. I’d make an insert that fit a standard mini fridge style size and literally slide those things in and out as they die. Cheap. My friends with outdoor kitchens barely use their outdoor fridges. And the ones who have them have broken fridges they never bother to get repaired. But cold beer is delicious.

As is bourbon slushies...

... as is bloody marys.......

ok. Now I’m thirsty.

Good luck! Hope I threw some out of the box ideas your way. Cant wait to see how it goes!

8-Damien

Damien:
These are all Great points, and thank you very much. Kentucky, especially, Louisville, is a very very humid place, which is surprising to many upon their first visit here, and temperatures of the various seasons have tremendous differences. That had been my concern about outdoor fridges.

We are planning a full service sink, and the two things we found important on the demolish and rebuild of our kitchen: storage and prep space, just as you had mentioned.

We are going with a roofed structure, with sufficient overhang to protect all the electronics, and there will be lighting, a significant amount, as well as ceiling fans, and mounted on the 4 corner posts, we will add oscillating fans.

There will be plenty of power and outlets available, and we plan on using a small, instant on water heater. A water shut off valve will be located inside our home for freezing weather.

I also agree about tunes. We will integrate an HQ audio system within the structure, and add a monitor as well.

One concession I have made for My Beautiful Wife, is an outdoor fireplace. We already have a fire pit, but, ok.....

Thank you again for the pointers. Your insight is valued.

YukonRon · May 2018

Ok, we have put together our wish list, and have decided on a design. Now we are putting together some estimates on construction. We are planning an area that will be built on a concrete slab that will be approximately 225 sq ft. (15x15). Kitchen and bar design is next, then we will select the materials we need for the construction.
We are learning towards a metal roof, wood post construction. We will frame the kitchen build with metal studs. The cabinets will be built with dry stone, not block.
And that is the update this far.

northGAcock · May 2018

YukonRon said:

MaskedMarvel said: cerf

Hey Ron -

i work in the restaurant business.
Pointers I’d contribute are things like -

lots Of prep space that’s easy to clean. Especially oil spills that stain surfaces easily - floor splatters!!

Everyone wants granite cutouts and useless rock. I’d integrate cutting board cutouts that fit those standard vinyl boards that can be put in the dishwasher that are different colors for different foods. Utilitarian? Maybe. But cheap to replace and easy to clean means more meat in the grill and more time spent with family.

Real power and real sink is very very helpful.

Storage is good. Having your cooking needs handy on the fly is really good. Don’t be ashamed of hanging things like pizza peels, spatulas ladels and tongs, towels, and rib racks.

I would integrate a waterproof overhang, specifically for my Smoke wireless thermometer. I love that thing. Whatever electronics you use will thank you for this.

Dont forget the music. No real
kitchen ever existed without
robotic sounds or death metal.

lighting - more is better

fire suppression - safety first!

I would also suggest looking at an outdoor deep fryer. We have a small one. It gets used less than the egg, but if you’re frying anything the advantages of having it outside become clear very quickly. This also harkens back to the floor splatters suggestion.

We ALMOST MIGHT be using our blackstone more than our egg. Integrating that would be a definite, in our home.

Outdoor refrigerators will fail. Indoor refrigerators have got it bad enough, as it is lol. I’d make an insert that fit a standard mini fridge style size and literally slide those things in and out as they die. Cheap. My friends with outdoor kitchens barely use their outdoor fridges. And the ones who have them have broken fridges they never bother to get repaired. But cold beer is delicious.

As is bourbon slushies...

... as is bloody marys.......

ok. Now I’m thirsty.

Good luck! Hope I threw some out of the box ideas your way. Cant wait to see how it goes!

8-Damien

Damien:
These are all Great points, and thank you very much. Kentucky, especially, Louisville, is a very very humid place, which is surprising to many upon their first visit here, and temperatures of the various seasons have tremendous differences. That had been my concern about outdoor fridges.

We are planning a full service sink, and the two things we found important on the demolish and rebuild of our kitchen: storage and prep space, just as you had mentioned.

We are going with a roofed structure, with sufficient overhang to protect all the electronics, and there will be lighting, a significant amount, as well as ceiling fans, and mounted on the 4 corner posts, we will add oscillating fans.

There will be plenty of power and outlets available, and we plan on using a small, instant on water heater. A water shut off valve will be located inside our home for freezing weather.

I also agree about tunes. We will integrate an HQ audio system within the structure, and add a monitor as well.

One concession I have made for My Beautiful Wife, is an outdoor fireplace. We already have a fire pit, but, ok.....

Thank you again for the pointers. Your insight is valued.

Ron.....sounds like you have already given this a bit of thought. What you thinking about the bar side. I am sure there are some wine related things you have in mind?

saluki2007 · May 2018

Here is an idea you can consider. My wife did not like the idea of a bar/kitchen on our patio. Here in central IL the winters would have been hard on it plus we would not be able to use it a lot of the year. So we built a bar along the wall that leads to the outside patio. Don't have to walk any further than we would if it was outside. This allowed for all year usage plus appliance were inside out of the elements. I know you are in the middle of gutting/redoing your house so just something to think about.

Started planning for the outdoor kitchen and bar

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