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  • SamIAm2
    SamIAm2 Posts: 1,898
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    Waiting for SMOBOT owners to weigh in on the new top cap and rain cover. 
    Ubi panis, ibi patria.
    Large - Roswell rig, MiniMax-PS Woo; Cocoa, Fl.
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  • johnnyp
    johnnyp Posts: 3,932
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    Hans61 said:
    Hungry Joe said:
    KJ is catching them and maybe beating them in the marketing department.
    KJ is all over Instagram probably out posting BGE 2 to 1 or more
    KJ is crushing the social media game 
    XL & MM BGE, 36" Blackstone - Newport News, VA
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  • JohnInCarolina
    JohnInCarolina Posts: 30,976
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    Yeah yeah the Kamado Joe forum is a hopping place man!
    "I've made a note never to piss you two off." - Stike
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  • Hungry Joe
    Hungry Joe Posts: 1,567
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    SamIAm2 said:
    Waiting for SMOBOT owners to weigh in on the new top cap and rain cover. 

    I have a smokware cap on my egg that sits in the elements and a DFMT on my egg that sits under cover. I prefer using the DFMT but the smokeware cap does have it's benefits when exposed to the elements. I don't see an improvement with that new top.

    I have no experience with the smobot.
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  • pgprescott
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    JohnInCarolina said:
    Yeah yeah the Kamado Joe forum is a hopping place man!
    You are right on. The BGE brand is a juggernaut. Those who think it doesn’t matter are simply misinformed. The average consumer knows the egg. They prolly call the pretenders eggs. 
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  • Hungry Joe
    Hungry Joe Posts: 1,567
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    pgprescott said:
    JohnInCarolina said:
    Yeah yeah the Kamado Joe forum is a hopping place man!
    You are right on. The BGE brand is a juggernaut. Those who think it doesn’t matter are simply misinformed. The average consumer knows the egg. They prolly call the pretenders eggs. 
    Are you a BGE dealer or associated with BGE?

    BTW, I do know this is a BGE forum but we do discuss all kind of cookers here.
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  • johnnyp
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    pgprescott said:
    JohnInCarolina said:
    Yeah yeah the Kamado Joe forum is a hopping place man!
    You are right on. The BGE brand is a juggernaut. Those who think it doesn’t matter are simply misinformed. The average consumer knows the egg. They prolly call the pretenders eggs. 
    Couldn’t agree more. BGE dominates the category.

    But as society moves more and more web-based, I think it would be unwise to overlook KJs social media presence.  Future google searches will matter with the next generation of consumers. 
    XL & MM BGE, 36" Blackstone - Newport News, VA
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  • Focker
    Focker Posts: 8,364
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    The kicker here is that BGE controls the dealer retail space.  They could strong arm dealers to 86 competitive aftermarket offerings, like they've done with dealers offering Primo, KJ, etc.

    Most new eggers don't know of these aftermarket options, and will buy this BGE stuff as a first buy package.  It's not a quick decapitation on the chopping block, but an arm and leg, with a saw, slowly.  It sucks.
    Brandon
    Quad Cities
    "If yer gonna denigrate, familiarity with the subject is helpful."

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  • JohnInCarolina
    JohnInCarolina Posts: 30,976
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    Don’t get me wrong, I think BGE should keep trying to innovate and pay attention to what their competitors are doing.  That’s just smart business.  But I really doubt they’re seriously threatened by KJ.  Brand name recognition goes a long way.
    "I've made a note never to piss you two off." - Stike
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  • johnnyp
    johnnyp Posts: 3,932
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    JohnInCarolina said:
    Don’t get me wrong, I think BGE should keep trying to innovate and pay attention to what their competitors are doing.  That’s just smart business.  But I really doubt they’re seriously threatened by KJ.  Brand name recognition goes a long way.
    I hope BGE stays relevant forever.  love the brand, the community and culture.

    But once upon a time blockbuster probably didn’t worry about Netflix either.  
    XL & MM BGE, 36" Blackstone - Newport News, VA
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  • Focker
    Focker Posts: 8,364
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    That brand recognition loyalty is fading. 
    Not that long ago it was only Primo, BGE, and Grill Dome.  
    Brandon
    Quad Cities
    "If yer gonna denigrate, familiarity with the subject is helpful."

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  • RRP
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    Over the years I've heard BGE corporate is quick to sic their lawyers on any one who uses any form of the word egg on any after market product to be used on a BGE. It has been described as a "come to Jesus" meeting on steroids! One guy said he assumed that nasty lawyer would sue chickens if he could! 
    Re-gasketing America one yard at a time.
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  • Focker
    Focker Posts: 8,364
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    Anyone still rock a Blackberry?  Obama does. Lol
    Brandon
    Quad Cities
    "If yer gonna denigrate, familiarity with the subject is helpful."

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  • Hans61
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    JohnInCarolina said:
    Yeah yeah the Kamado Joe forum is a hopping place man!
    It’s probably been a couple years since I looked at their forum. It didn’t appear to be that active...
    “There are three rules that I live by: never get less than twelve hours sleep; never play cards with a guy who has the same first name as a city; and never get involved with a woman with a tattoo of a dagger on her body.”
    Coach Finstock Teen Wolf
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  • JohnInCarolina
    JohnInCarolina Posts: 30,976
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    johnnyp said:
    JohnInCarolina said:
    Don’t get me wrong, I think BGE should keep trying to innovate and pay attention to what their competitors are doing.  That’s just smart business.  But I really doubt they’re seriously threatened by KJ.  Brand name recognition goes a long way.
    I hope BGE stays relevant forever.  love the brand, the community and culture.

    But once upon a time blockbuster probably didn’t worry about Netflix either.  
    Netflix was a fundamental change to the business model.  There may be an analog to that in terms of Kamado grills, but KJ isn’t it.
    "I've made a note never to piss you two off." - Stike
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  • JohnInCarolina
    JohnInCarolina Posts: 30,976
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    Hans61 said:
    JohnInCarolina said:
    Yeah yeah the Kamado Joe forum is a hopping place man!
    It’s probably been a couple years since I looked at their forum. It didn’t appear to be that active...
    It’s a leper colony.
    "I've made a note never to piss you two off." - Stike
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  • Dobie
    Dobie Posts: 3,364
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    Was smart to make the woo copy with the solid inner ring on the bottom to handle half stones. I have the woo and extender with grid, this adds a few more setup options but it’s definately a clone. 
    Jacksonville FL
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  • JohnInCarolina
    JohnInCarolina Posts: 30,976
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    RRP said:
    Over the years I've heard BGE corporate is quick to sic their lawyers on any one who uses any form of the word egg on any after market product to be used on a BGE. It has been described as a "come to Jesus" meeting on steroids! One guy said he assumed that nasty lawyer would sue chickens if he could! 
    Yeah even Big Green Craig has had to hire an entire team of lawyers.
    "I've made a note never to piss you two off." - Stike
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  • thetrim
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    Now that it looks like we're not gonna die from a N Korea nuclear strike, I might invest in some of this.  I'd rather support the CGS than BGE corporate.  I thought the Mini max stand was cool, but I'd rather have a table to bring along that could support the MM and many other things as well.  Hearing the guys name was Marco did make me miss @Don Marco BGE really hosed that guy!
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    XL 6/06, Mini 6/12, L 10/12, Mini #2 12/14 MiniMax 3/16 Large #2 11/20 Legacy from my FIL - RIP
    Tampa Bay, FL
    EIB 6 Oct 95
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  • johnnyp
    johnnyp Posts: 3,932
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    JohnInCarolina said:
    johnnyp said:
    JohnInCarolina said:
    Don’t get me wrong, I think BGE should keep trying to innovate and pay attention to what their competitors are doing.  That’s just smart business.  But I really doubt they’re seriously threatened by KJ.  Brand name recognition goes a long way.
    I hope BGE stays relevant forever.  love the brand, the community and culture.

    But once upon a time blockbuster probably didn’t worry about Netflix either.  
    Netflix was a fundamental change to the business model.  There may be an analog to that in terms of Kamado grills, but KJ isn’t it.
    Fair.

    My point was that there was a time where their business models were comparable. DVD rentals. Retail vs mail order.

    then one company evolved.  the other failed to stay relevant to the consumer. 

    BGE isn’t an irrelevant brand. But if they remain reactionary and don’t increase their online presence, the next generation of consumers may find value in the competition.   
    XL & MM BGE, 36" Blackstone - Newport News, VA
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  • Hungry Joe
    Hungry Joe Posts: 1,567
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    Hans61 said:
    JohnInCarolina said:
    Yeah yeah the Kamado Joe forum is a hopping place man!
    It’s probably been a couple years since I looked at their forum. It didn’t appear to be that active...

    The KJ forum does better then the original BGE forum. I blame the format for that going downhill but the regulars defend it and it doesn't seem like it will ever change.

    It's kind of sad watching it die. There was a lot of good information there. A lot got transferred here so it's not a total lose.
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  • JohnInCarolina
    JohnInCarolina Posts: 30,976
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    johnnyp said:
    JohnInCarolina said:
    johnnyp said:
    JohnInCarolina said:
    Don’t get me wrong, I think BGE should keep trying to innovate and pay attention to what their competitors are doing.  That’s just smart business.  But I really doubt they’re seriously threatened by KJ.  Brand name recognition goes a long way.
    I hope BGE stays relevant forever.  love the brand, the community and culture.

    But once upon a time blockbuster probably didn’t worry about Netflix either.  
    Netflix was a fundamental change to the business model.  There may be an analog to that in terms of Kamado grills, but KJ isn’t it.
    Fair.

    My point was that there was a time where their business models were comparable. DVD rentals. Retail vs mail order.

    then one company evolved.  the other failed to stay relevant to the consumer. 

    BGE isn’t an irrelevant brand. But if they remain reactionary and don’t increase their online presence, the next generation of consumers may find value in the competition.   
    It’s certainly possible.  I’m not sure why any of it would matter to any of us.  
    "I've made a note never to piss you two off." - Stike
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  • johnnyp
    johnnyp Posts: 3,932
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    JohnInCarolina said:
    johnnyp said:
    JohnInCarolina said:
    johnnyp said:
    JohnInCarolina said:
    Don’t get me wrong, I think BGE should keep trying to innovate and pay attention to what their competitors are doing.  That’s just smart business.  But I really doubt they’re seriously threatened by KJ.  Brand name recognition goes a long way.
    I hope BGE stays relevant forever.  love the brand, the community and culture.

    But once upon a time blockbuster probably didn’t worry about Netflix either.  
    Netflix was a fundamental change to the business model.  There may be an analog to that in terms of Kamado grills, but KJ isn’t it.
    Fair.

    My point was that there was a time where their business models were comparable. DVD rentals. Retail vs mail order.

    then one company evolved.  the other failed to stay relevant to the consumer. 

    BGE isn’t an irrelevant brand. But if they remain reactionary and don’t increase their online presence, the next generation of consumers may find value in the competition.   
    It’s certainly possible.  I’m not sure why any of it would matter to any of us.  
    Well, I suppose ultimately it doesn’t.

    although, I do hope someone is around to honor my lifetime warranty =)
    XL & MM BGE, 36" Blackstone - Newport News, VA
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  • Woodchunk
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    I am of the mind that since a large part of this parallels after market items bge is partnering up rather than tooling up for some of these things. 

    royal oak/ bge lump
    Daltile company in Mexico makes the ceramics
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  • bboulier
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    Playing catch-up with the woo and KJ. But, that's the way the market works.  Happy to benefit from this innovation and competition.
    Weber Kettle, Weber Genesis Silver B, Medium Egg, KJ Classic (Black)
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  • HeavyG
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    JohnInCarolina said:
    Hans61 said:
    JohnInCarolina said:
    Yeah yeah the Kamado Joe forum is a hopping place man!
    It’s probably been a couple years since I looked at their forum. It didn’t appear to be that active...
    It’s a leper colony.
    If it has no inhabitants it's no longer a colony. :)

    KJ seems to have abandoned their own forum. It has been "down for maintenance" for many, many months.

    KJ seems content (at the moment anyway) to rely on other social media outlets for their users and for spreading corporate info.

    Bobby Brennan (KJ owner) is a pretty frequent contributor on one of the KJ groups on FB. He has always been pretty open about sharing photos on what they are doing and what prototypes they are playing with (their new pizza making insert looks pretty sweet).

    Personally, I much prefer a dedicated forum than Facebook but it is what it is.

    I'd bet that more BGE users are participating in the various Facebook groups than are regulars here on this forum. Just seems to be the way things are these days.
    “Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away.” ― Philip K. Diçk




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  • Woodchunk
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    more fb users are posting cooks
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  • JohnInCarolina
    JohnInCarolina Posts: 30,976
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    HeavyG said:

    I'd bet that more BGE users are participating in the various Facebook groups than are regulars here on this forum. Just seems to be the way things are these days.
    Just in terms of sheer numbers, the main BGE FB group is huge, with nearly 50k members.  

    KJ’s main one appears to have 17k.  

    I’m not sure any of these dedicated/closed groups or forums really drive business.  What drives business for BGE and KJ on FB is people posting cooks on their grills that all of their friends can see.  


    "I've made a note never to piss you two off." - Stike
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  • RRP
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    JohnInCarolina said:
    RRP said:
    Over the years I've heard BGE corporate is quick to sic their lawyers on any one who uses any form of the word egg on any after market product to be used on a BGE. It has been described as a "come to Jesus" meeting on steroids! One guy said he assumed that nasty lawyer would sue chickens if he could! 
    Yeah even Big Green Craig has had to hire an entire team of lawyers.
    Ha ha ha, John! I'll never believe that Big Green Craig isn't sponsored by BGE corporate. Besides Craig's classes et. al. are not material products to be used on eggs, but are very specific supportive product useage.
    Re-gasketing America one yard at a time.
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