OT - Another Shooting. Sad.

Sardonicus · February 2018

g8golfer said:

Sardonicus said:

I'm just grateful that the Vegas Disaster opened our eyes to the Bump Stock Loophole so that now, we've fixed that once and for all!

Yes a bump stock would have stopped the killing. If they [had] been illegal . . .

Of course not.
Reiterating - there is no "over arching plan" that will heal all ills in one Gandalfian swoop.
That said, a little progress can be made here.
A little progress can be made there. Yet . . .

For some reason, there seems to be an omnipotent force that opposes ANY adjustment to current legislation.
One can only guess as to the motivation.

DMW · February 2018

Sardonicus said:

g8golfer said:

Sardonicus said:

I'm just grateful that the Vegas Disaster opened our eyes to the Bump Stock Loophole so that now, we've fixed that once and for all!

Yes a bump stock would have stopped the killing. If they [had] been illegal . . .

Of course not.
Reiterating - there is no "over arching plan" that will heal all ills in one Gandalfian swoop.
That said, a little progress can be made here.
A little progress can be made there. Yet . . .

For some reason, there seems to be an omnipotent force that opposes ANY adjustment to current legislation.
One can only guess as to the motivation.

Money?

bgebrent · February 2018

Hans61 said:

bgebrent said:

Hans61 said:

HeavyG said:

milesvdustin said:

Saying **** like ‘Murica after a tragedy like this is ridiculous. 1st amendment free speech and all I get it but for fucks sake some **** just shot a bunch of kids.

No...what's ridiculous is that only in 'Murica are mass shooting and school shooting events a commonplace.

These shootings are no longer a shock to anyone, and we all just acquiesce.

There is no acquiescence. The also is not stupid gun control can fix this idiocy.

Definition of acquiescence, accept something reluctantly but without protest.

I guess I was only 2/3 correct, we do have protest

And the answer is.....

g8golfer · February 2018

Banning the AR15 is not going to stop this. It might slow the number of deaths but now it’s a snow ball. I’m a gun owner and I agree civilians shouldn’t be able to own assault guns period.

Hans61 · February 2018

bgebrent said:

Hans61 said:

bgebrent said:

Hans61 said:

HeavyG said:

milesvdustin said:

Saying **** like ‘Murica after a tragedy like this is ridiculous. 1st amendment free speech and all I get it but for fucks sake some **** just shot a bunch of kids.

No...what's ridiculous is that only in 'Murica are mass shooting and school shooting events a commonplace.

These shootings are no longer a shock to anyone, and we all just acquiesce.

There is no acquiescence. The also is not stupid gun control can fix this idiocy.

Definition of acquiescence, accept something reluctantly but without protest.

I guess I was only 2/3 correct, we do have protest

And the answer is.....

bgebrent said:

It's a mental health issue at the end of the day. So sad. Totally disagree that Ar-15's should be illegal. And if you differ it's too late. Looks like metal detectors will become part and parcel to going to school.

I agree metal detectors for the school component of mass shootings would be a good start

FlyOverCountry · February 2018

We been teaching our kids to bum rush the shooter. People called me a troll the last time I said that but its true.

theyolksonyou · February 2018

Sinking...

DoubleEgger · February 2018

bgebrent said:

It's a mental health issue at the end of the day. So sad. Totally disagree that Ar-15's should be illegal. And if you differ it's too late. Looks like metal detectors will become part and parcel to going to school.

I’m not getting into the politics of this situation as my opinion means nothing. Metal detectors aren’t going to stop mass killings though. It’ll catch the kids trying to sneak a pistol or knife into the school. It’s not going to slow down someone hell bent on shooting up a school when there’s no regard for life including their own.

bgebrent · February 2018

It should sink. Too many people assign the problem to the gun. Fundamentally flawed. Schools will need metal detector entry and earlier start times. And no whining with the change.

HeavyG · February 2018

Sardonicus said:

I'm just grateful that the Vegas Disaster opened our eyes to the Bump Stock Loophole so that now, we've fixed that once and for all!

Apparently, the next step is just having EVERYONE (it works if EVERYONE says it) send "thoughts and prayers" is sufficient to address the problem. Well, if not actually sufficient, it's all many think can be done or should be done.

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FlyOverCountry · February 2018

What is there to stop some kid from driving a tank up to the school and blowing the hole place to smithereens? Nothing. A metal detector ain’t gonna stop the carnage.

Sardonicus · February 2018

Spaightlabs said:

ColtsFan said:

Not the time nor place but gun control is not the issue.

Mental Wellness is the problem.

Not the time or place, but what are other countries doing about their mental health problems that they don't have mass casualty events?

A few hours have passed, many comments have been posted.
Still, no answer to your perfectly valid question.

Too many people assign the problem to mental health. Fundamentally flawed.

onedbguru · February 2018

Spaightlabs said:

Apparently there is no limit to people's tolerance for sacrificing their own children on the altar of the NRA.

The NRA has nothing to do with this. I guess then that there is no responsibility for the actions of the CRIMINALS who do not, or would not ever follow any laws that could possibly be crafted to prevent anyone from doing what their dark hearts and minds are going to do and to think otherwise would be quite naive.

The kids today are so confused by the social manipulation and the bullying and the Prozac nation we have become, that eventually drives these kids to those dark places of hate and even despair with no release valve until they come to what they see as their last resort. Beg, borrow and steal whatever it takes to make the pain go away. And the glorification of those that did this in the past does not help.

Hans61 · February 2018

All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.

NCSmoky · February 2018

If you look into many of the teen / early 20’s shooters the common denominator is SSRIs but that is rarely mentioned in the MSM.

DMW · February 2018

Well regulated militia...

Toxarch · February 2018

Everytown is an anti-gun group funded by George Soros who wants no guns in America and us all to live like Socialist Venezuela. They count any gun activity within 2 blocks of a school as a "school shooting". Someone kills themself and nobody else = school shooting. A bullet fired a mile away and the bullet lands on school property = school shooting. Two adult gang members are fighting nearby, one shoots the other = school shooting. Have there been school shootings? Yes. Has there been 18 of them? Everytown is the only "source" making that claim. There's plenty of groups who fact check them and correct their stats.

An AR-15 is not an "assault rifle" nor an "assault-type rifle". It is a rifle just like a whole bunch of other rifles that can hold multiple bullets. What's the difference? A wood stock.

And if you want to know about the shooter, according to his Facebook, he was a member of Antifa as well as about a dozen other anti-government groups.

Toxarch · February 2018

DMW said:

Well regulated militia...

The Right of the People...

https://youtu.be/P4zE0K22zH8

Dobie · February 2018

Blaming guns for crime is like blaming pencils for misspelled words.

johnnyp · February 2018

Dobie said:

Blaming guns for crime is like blaming pencils for misspelled words.

Do you actually think anyone is blaming an inanimate object?

billt01 · February 2018

Toxarch said:

Everytown is an anti-gun group funded by George Soros who wants no guns in America and us all to live like Socialist Venezuela. They count any gun activity within 2 blocks of a school as a "school shooting". Someone kills themself and nobody else = school shooting. A bullet fired a mile away and the bullet lands on school property = school shooting. Two adult gang members are fighting nearby, one shoots the other = school shooting. Have there been school shootings? Yes. Has there been 18 of them? Everytown is the only "source" making that claim. There's plenty of groups who fact check them and correct their stats.

An AR-15 is not an "assault rifle" nor an "assault-type rifle". It is a rifle just like a whole bunch of other rifles that can hold multiple bullets. What's the difference? A wood stock.

And if you want to know about the shooter, according to his Facebook, he was a member of Antifa as well as about a dozen other anti-government groups.

And for everyone out there who want to ban "assault- rifles."

Question what makes an "assault- rifle" an "assault- rifle"

The amount of rounds it holds? Well the what about FN Five Seven (which I own) which allows 20 rounds (standard not extended) or a 12 Gage shot gun with the choke removed, which shoots 3 1/2 inch high brass magnum rounds (5 of em), or a semi- auto .22 caliber rifle which will hold 15 rounds..

Its not the gun, its the moms and dads who don't give a $#!+ about their kids. Yes, I know both of this kids parents died, but he was also a self proclaimed member of Antifa (which is know for bringing chaos to the "establishment"). The problem with 'Murica is not the guns, its the liberal (allow everything, love everyone, everybody gets a trophy and if you don't get one, just take the other kids) mentality.

Anywho, I'm just sick of this. Officer got killed and two wounded because of a 350 dollar parking ticket in my county...

Some humans just don't care anymore, and that starts on how they were raised. Point blank!

ColtsFan · February 2018

These have never been fired at a human being.

It's the person with their finger on the trigger, not the weapon.

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billt01 · February 2018

@ColtsFan

if your legal, your local law enforcement loves you, or your ARE law enforcement..

Nice suppression....

do any of those go Pew...Pew...Pew... instead of just Pew...

GATraveller · February 2018

Spaightlabs said:

And the only thing that is ever offered is thoughts and prayers because the NRA is Now Running America.

Can't imaging being the parent of a murdered child and hearing a bunch of 'thoughts and prayers' and waiting for the next one.

I'm sure I'd be furious. How dare someone bring God and prayer into a situation like this!!! I mean.....what would God know about losing a child? The nerve of people.

Dobie · February 2018

johnnyp said:

Dobie said:

Blaming guns for crime is like blaming pencils for misspelled words.

Do you actually think anyone is blaming an inanimate object?

If it’s not then stop trying to enact laws about ownership and types of guns that can be owned. Murder is already a felony along with pages of other laws on guns that the government admits it doesn’t enforce.

Sardonicus · February 2018

billt01 said: . . .
. . . Point blank!

Agreed.

Spaightlabs · February 2018

Maybe we could take Trump's $30 billion dollars for the wall and just use thoughts and prayers to stop illegal immigration and then use that money for mental health care.

One thing is clear - as a country, we care more about our guns than about our children.

Full disclosure. I don't have kids. It ain't my kids that are gonna get murdered -I'm not sure why I care about other people's kids and so many don't care about their own.

JohnInCarolina · February 2018

Cultures have their own interior logic. That logic is very resistant to change. Once a thing is there, it is very difficult to get rid of the thing, no matter how demonstrably harmful it is.

A culture will curl protectively around the very things that are killing it, because the other option is a complete loss of identity. And so we have effectively embraced a form of ritualized violence upon ourselves, or at minimum, have become numb to it. We are stuck because we can’t even agree that the instruments of that violence are a problem.

There are many examples of this sort of thing in other cultures. What perhaps makes us special as Americans is that we like to think of ourselves as immune to this sort of thing, despite all evidence to the contrary.

GATraveller · February 2018

Israel also alluded to Cruz's mental fitness during a news conference, while Broward County Mayor Beam Furr said the teen "had been dealing with mental health issues."

"He had been undergoing some treatment. We can't go into detail on that," Furr said. "I don't know if he was exactly on law enforcement's radar, but it wasn't like there wasn't concern for him. He had not been back to the clinic for over a year, so there's been a time where he was receiving treatment and then stopped."

GrateEggspectations · February 2018

Many are quick to attribute mass shootings solely to mental health issues and to remove guns from the equation altogether. While mental health no doubt contributes in a large number of shooting deaths (as well as a large number of other homicides) in the U.S., I think it’s important to factor in that mental health is not static; it is entirely fluid. A gun in the hands of someone who is mentally “well” can easily become a tool of significant destruction the next, either as the result of mental health problems or even inability to deal with life’s stressors. Accordingly, access to guns (which far eclipse the killing capabilities of many other readily-available potential weapons), whether they be one’s own or those of a friend or family member, as well as a cultural embrace of guns that normalizes ownership must absolutely figure within the dialogue in addressing the issue, IMO.

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