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Where did this crack in my LBGE come from?
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I think more is involved to crack an egg, including bad luck.
I've been seering on a kettle that I've modified to get up to high heat. Maybe I'm being over cautious.Phoenix -
The reason it cracked is because you're using the KAB without the firegrate. That would void the warranty also.
BGE XL
NWArkansas -
It seems that the KAB has been frequently mentioned in the last two years when folks speak of cracked bases. It seems to be more prevalent in XLs without the fire grates.
Mine did it, and it was covered under warranty.
I have since placed the fire grate back inside for the last 2 years or so, and there are zero issues.
I doubt if the second instance would be warranted."Knowledge is Good" - Emil Faber
XL and MM
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Ive got a XL and noticed a hairline crack about 4 months ago. It was directly in the middle of the bottom of the egg. It was warrantied and I got a new base. I was using all factory guts as well.
I as well sometime like to sear my steaks at 900 degrees and do 550 degree cooks. Not sure if the high temp had anything to do it with it or like the other guy said, bad luck..
Also, is there a MAX temp per BGE that you are not supposed to go above when you cook?
Alot of folks do clean burns and Im sure those temps run into 1300ish degrees..
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Hmm thanks for the info guys. It sounds like I need to use my KAB in addition to the OEM firegrate, which I was unaware of. Thanks for the info!
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It's ceramic, it cracks. That's why you have a warranty.
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I disagree with the KAB being the culprit. I have many eggs, each has cracked. A KAB has been a recent item in my arsenal, but my only egg that has suffered a cracked base (the mini) did not have a KAB. Do we blame the KAB for all of the cracked fire rings as well?
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cookingdude555 said:I disagree with the KAB being the culprit. I have many eggs, each has cracked. A KAB has been a recent item in my arsenal, but my only egg that has suffered a cracked base (the mini) did not have a KAB. Do we blame the KAB for all of the cracked fire rings as well?
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cookingdude555 said:Do we blame the KAB for all of the cracked fire rings as well?
Yeah, some bases crack that are not using a KAB, but there are a good number that have cracked using a KAB sans firegrate. Why risk it? And how about when you call your dealer to claim a warranty on your cracked base, you mention to them you were using a KAB sans firegrate and see how far that gets you.
BGE XL
NWArkansas -
CanDid said:cookingdude555 said:Do we blame the KAB for all of the cracked fire rings as well?
Yeah, some bases crack that are not using a KAB, but there are a good number that have cracked using a KAB sans firegrate. Why risk it? And how about when you call your dealer to claim a warranty on your cracked base, you mention to them you were using a KAB sans firegrate and see how far that gets you. -
I had the base on my lg crack two years before I even heard of the KAB.
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CanDid said:cookingdude555 said:Do we blame the KAB for all of the cracked fire rings as well?
Yeah, some bases crack that are not using a KAB, but there are a good number that have cracked using a KAB sans firegrate. Why risk it? And how about when you call your dealer to claim a warranty on your cracked base, you mention to them you were using a KAB sans firegrate and see how far that gets you.
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CanDid said:cookingdude555 said:Do we blame the KAB for all of the cracked fire rings as well?
Yeah, some bases crack that are not using a KAB, but there are a good number that have cracked using a KAB sans firegrate. Why risk it? And how about when you call your dealer to claim a warranty on your cracked base, you mention to them you were using a KAB sans firegrate and see how far that gets you.
I would also like to have your thermocouple results from the base for KAB vs. Non-KAB runs. Prefer temp vs. Time plots as I expect rate of temp change to be of importance.
Based on your comments that clearly state the KAB is the problem I am sure you can provide meaningful proof to support your claim, besides you "read it on a forum".A bison’s level of aggressiveness, both physical and passive, is legendary. - NPS -
Replacement costs of the ceramics is built into the cost of a new BGE. They realize a certain percentage will fail, so the list price allows for those falures and replacements. Same thing applies to KJ.
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CanDid said:cookingdude555 said:Do we blame the KAB for all of the cracked fire rings as well?
Yeah, some bases crack that are not using a KAB, but there are a good number that have cracked using a KAB sans firegrate. Why risk it? And how about when you call your dealer to claim a warranty on your cracked base, you mention to them you were using a KAB sans firegrate and see how far that gets you. -
Here’s my data. I have six eggs. Five of them have a KAB. The one without a KAB has a cracked base (and I still cook with it). I am going to blame the KABs in the other five eggs, I know they somehow had something to do with the crack in the non KAB egg.
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It begs the question, why is this warning on KAB of all sizes (not just XL)?
canuckland -
Dunno. My data suggests the question was not begged. But others seem to have conclusions based on data they’ve thought up.
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I'm breaking my own promise to myself of never posting unless specifically being asked for my opinion...but to me this thread deserves input from eggers other than newbies.
I've been an egger for 17 years now with 4 eggs - two of which ( L & S ) which both have had a KAB for sometime now and neither have a grate under the KAB. I regularly do high temperature burn outs North of 1,000 degrees and I regularly do 600 to 700 degree sears
To date - I have NEVER had a cracked base. Also I'm only on my second fire box on both...in fact my replacement fire box on my work horse Small is still on a shelf! Yuppers...17 years later!
These eggs are fired in kilns at temperatures in excess of 2,400 degrees so why do the naysayers think using a KAB LIKE I DO regularly is going to destroy their BBE?
off the soap box...Re-gasketing America one yard at a time. -
@cookingdude555 just wanted to throw that into the mix, it wasn't specifically directed at you, my apology if it came across as that because I posted immediately after you.
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@Canugghead, you’re fine. At second glance my reply looks pissy. Online communication sucks sometimes, we need to go back to everyone just talking in person around the grill.
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Ozzie_Isaac said:Please share your data. I am mostly interested in the % of the population with KAB that have cracked vs. the % of population without KAB that have also cracked. Normalized for usage would be ideal. No comparing a monthly summer user to a year round daily user, unless usage variations is accounted for.
I would also like to have your thermocouple results from the base for KAB vs. Non-KAB runs. Prefer temp vs. Time plots as I expect rate of temp change to be of importance.
Based on your comments that clearly state the KAB is the problem I am sure you can provide meaningful proof to support your claim, besides you "read it on a forum".Sad to hear that coming from you. Oh well, I'll get right on that because data is warranted with every argument on here unless you're in the 1,000+ post club, right?
Based on my comments I did NOT “clearly state” the KAB as being the problem. Don't make statements misrepresenting my comments until you actually read them. And I’m not trying to bash the KAB, I love mine. What I said was not to use the KAB sans firegrate.
My argument is that without the firegrate, the radiant heat from the lump will be much more intense on the bottom of the base and CAN lead to a crack in the bottom of the base, whether prematurely or over time. This question is being brought up more and more on the forum and I will continue to point to the KAB-XL that states, "We still recommend using with your grill's lower charcoal grate" and to read “Voiding The Warranty” on the BGE website. Members can draw their own conclusions from that.
I don’t have data. I have other’s experiences to go off of so I don’t have to make their mistakes.
http://eggheadforum.com/discussion/1207918/effects-of-high-flow-aftermarket-fire-grates/p1
BGE XL
NWArkansas -
cookingdude555 said:Here’s my data. I have six eggs. Five of them have a KAB. The one without a KAB has a cracked base (and I still cook with it). I am going to blame the KABs in the other five eggs, I know they somehow had something to do with the crack in the non KAB egg.
BGE XL
NWArkansas -
RRP said:I'm breaking my own promise to myself of never posting unless specifically being asked for my opinion...but to me this thread deserves input from eggers other than newbies.
I've been an egger for 17 years now with 4 eggs - two of which ( L & S ) which both have had a KAB for sometime now and neither have a grate under the KAB. I regularly do high temperature burn outs North of 1,000 degrees and I regularly do 600 to 700 degree sears
To date - I have NEVER had a cracked base. Also I'm only on my second fire box on both...in fact my replacement fire box on my work horse Small is still on a shelf! Yuppers...17 years later!
These eggs are fired in kilns at temperatures in excess of 2,400 degrees so why do the naysayers think using a KAB LIKE I DO regularly is going to destroy their BBE?
off the soap box...
And don’t hate on the “newbies” so much. We’re the one’s that support innovation and pay for your warranty.
BGE XL
NWArkansas -
CanDid said:Ozzie_Isaac said:Please share your data. I am mostly interested in the % of the population with KAB that have cracked vs. the % of population without KAB that have also cracked. Normalized for usage would be ideal. No comparing a monthly summer user to a year round daily user, unless usage variations is accounted for.
I would also like to have your thermocouple results from the base for KAB vs. Non-KAB runs. Prefer temp vs. Time plots as I expect rate of temp change to be of importance.
Based on your comments that clearly state the KAB is the problem I am sure you can provide meaningful proof to support your claim, besides you "read it on a forum".Sad to hear that coming from you. Oh well, I'll get right on that because data is warranted with every argument on here unless you're in the 1,000+ post club, right?
Based on my comments I did NOT “clearly state” the KAB as being the problem. Don't make statements misrepresenting my comments until you actually read them. And I’m not trying to bash the KAB, I love mine. What I said was not to use the KAB sans firegrate.
My argument is that without the firegrate, the radiant heat from the lump will be much more intense on the bottom of the base and CAN lead to a crack in the bottom of the base, whether prematurely or over time. This question is being brought up more and more on the forum and I will continue to point to the KAB-XL that states, "We still recommend using with your grill's lower charcoal grate" and to read “Voiding The Warranty” on the BGE website. Members can draw their own conclusions from that.
I don’t have data. I have other’s experiences to go off of so I don’t have to make their mistakes.
http://eggheadforum.com/discussion/1207918/effects-of-high-flow-aftermarket-fire-grates/p1
The original KAB was not meant for the XL sans fire grate because the large span could not be supported by the KAB without possible warping.
Also, I reread your posts. On initial reading I got the impression you were blaming the KAB. Upon rereading I see you were saying better safe than sorry.
A bison’s level of aggressiveness, both physical and passive, is legendary. - NPS -
Also, post counts are irrelevant. Good ideas come from all corners. A couple hundred means someone likes to participate. A couple thousand means we should find better things to doA bison’s level of aggressiveness, both physical and passive, is legendary. - NPS
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CanDid said:RRP said:I'm breaking my own promise to myself of never posting unless specifically being asked for my opinion...but to me this thread deserves input from eggers other than newbies.
I've been an egger for 17 years now with 4 eggs - two of which ( L & S ) which both have had a KAB for sometime now and neither have a grate under the KAB. I regularly do high temperature burn outs North of 1,000 degrees and I regularly do 600 to 700 degree sears
To date - I have NEVER had a cracked base. Also I'm only on my second fire box on both...in fact my replacement fire box on my work horse Small is still on a shelf! Yuppers...17 years later!
These eggs are fired in kilns at temperatures in excess of 2,400 degrees so why do the naysayers think using a KAB LIKE I DO regularly is going to destroy their BBE?
off the soap box...
And don’t hate on the “newbies” so much. We’re the one’s that support innovation and pay for your warranty. -
ive had 3 bases crack or fall apart, never had a kab. one went during an overnight low and slow, one during a 350 degree turkey cook, one small just delaminated. my small never went over 750 degrees, it just would not get hotter. pretty sure my current large is cracked but im not looking. ive done cooks over 1200 degrees with no issues, bge has brought them to 1200 degrees and tossed water in them in testing with no issues. it just happens
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CanDid said:cookingdude555 said:Here’s my data. I have six eggs. Five of them have a KAB. The one without a KAB has a cracked base (and I still cook with it). I am going to blame the KABs in the other five eggs, I know they somehow had something to do with the crack in the non KAB egg.
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It gets easier to try and link cracked bases with KAB as there are more and more KAB users.
I really think many of the cracked bases are predetermined from the start. You either start out with a perfect base and have no issues or you start out with a base that already has issues. Issues that started during manufacturing or sometime before the Egg made it to your patio. MANY Eggers seldom use their Eggs and many more never push them to super high temps. The active Egggers on this forum, over all, make up a small percentage of the Egghead market. But we are the ones who probably use our Eggs more and also push the temps more than most. Stands to reason that we would see more cracked everything on this forum.
Does the KAB cause the base to crack or does it promote/speed up a smaller hairline crack that already existed? Who knows...
As Ron pointed out, Eggs are Kiln fired at much greater heat. But over time, it seems higher heat and moisture would slowly break down any ceramic part.I have never lost a dome due to cracking but I think I have gone through 4 bases all pre KAB. But I have stopped taking my Egg to Nuke temp clean burns. Now I just do full load of cheap lump at 500-700 and let it burn till the lump is gone. Does not give me the pretty white interior but it does burn of all the gunk.Thank you,DarianGalveston Texas
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