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KnockOffs Kamado are they worth it? My Newbie Experience and first post!

Ed58
Ed58 Posts: 7
edited March 2017 in EggHead Forum
First post Guys... well...what can I give out here to compensate the great info I draw from this place...just a personal opinion and short experience with the Kamado world introduced  in my culinary  life.

For the background junkies I can say that I have been a barbecue guy since the age of 10 but got serious about it 35yrs ago (I'm past 55)... then with my wife we got into making pizza from scracth (as well for creating our own yeast) and baking over refractory stone and the reason for being such a freak about it might go back to the fact that we are Southern Italians and live in Florida for the past 8yrs.

As far as meat goes Beef, Pork & Chicken are Top in the USA while Veal, Goat, Lamb & Rabbit are the other way around.
Now when it comes to Pizza this is a planet of its own where if you get serious then you need to do more than just plain homework... IN MY WORLD PIZZA MUST BE CRUSTY AND READY IN BETWEEN 90 TO 180 SECONDS!

So...let me get back on track...owning regular grills as charcoal & Gas always worked fine for me as far as Grilling & Smoking...but when I started looking into building a pizza oven things got more complicated... so I ended up coming across kamados and saw the potential of having the best of both worlds.

At this point I had to only figure out a way to compose a refractory pizza setup into the Kamado and at the same time get along with my budget. After days of researching through videos and internet information I came across  what claimed to be the real deal so in my immaginary world expectations were meet...  every detail seemed to have all the necessary specifics to be the Kamado I was searching for Price/Size/Materials/Great Reviews so I pulled the trigger and after 2 weeks it sure was in my backyard and smaller than I expected (close to a Lg BGE) so price wise it was a $100 off... so there goes my big saving idea in smoke

I started running only charcoal in it just to cure & gradually test how it would hold temperatures at low/medium/high (when I say low mean 180/205 for medium I mean 325/375 for high 750/900).
That's when I found out that at low temperatures I was having leaks or fire going off...  at medium temperature I was having wide range oscillations not holding temp and a high temperature I was burning coil like a Ferrari!!

Okay I thought... no problem said my educated ego buyer consciousness You can make this work its just a simple project.. and of course... had to research all remedies & materials adding more time & money...
So I sealed the vents believing then I was in business... meanwhile no grilling or Saturday night pizza going on
Results: could not keep low temperatures under 230...only achieved improvment for medium-range....  at high Temps still burning a lot of fuel as well the gasket!

On the other hand at first attempt of medium heat... the outer shell enamel presented Cracking and the Fire Bowl went into 3 pieces. After 60 days the stainless steel  rack started to rust ....
Now the "Good news" after a intense documented correspondence the company refunded the full amount.
Now someone might get offended... so Please don't get me wrong I do not mean to put anyone down... because for this brand I'm sure there must be out there a market of happy buyers  but it just happened to not be my cup of tea!!

So after spending time, work and extra dollars finally the light bulb came on and I ended up buying the extra large big green egg which besides having to line the upper Dome occasionally  and deal with overheated squeaky stiff hinges I finally get the job done my way with cooking results that are better than going to any restaurant or pizza place in my surroundings... plus my BGE is as new.

Moral of the story...
 if you are loosing sleep at night over making the "best first buy decision"...., be aware when you enter dedicated Forums or Facebook pages or else..  most likely you will come across scientific marketing and enthusiastic fans motivated by Masterminds which most of the time are behind the product itself.
Me... at the end of the day learned a fine lesson... afterall in my opinion  we all must go through our own experiences to  what are the true limits of our personal knowledge versus the expectations when closing the lid....






XL BGE Clearwater, FL.

Comments

  • bigbadben
    bigbadben Posts: 397
    edited March 2017
    Have you looked into a blackstone pizza oven?  I started down the Kamado path just like you. PIZZA. While nothing I have can beat the Kamado, it does not heat as evenly as I would like. With the heat coming from below, there is never enough top browning. I know a blackstone is in my future, I just don't know when. 
  • Ed58
    Ed58 Posts: 7
    Yes I took a peak at the blackstone not my choice... a good refractory brick configuration plus timming will give great results with the BGE afterall charcoal baked pizza is the Top!
    XL BGE Clearwater, FL.
  • Skiddymarker
    Skiddymarker Posts: 8,528
    Welcome. Heck of a first post. I use the egg or oval for thin crust pies, but still prefer to cook the pan crust or deep dish in the big white clock in the kitchen. Just my way of doing things. 
    Delta B.C. - Whiskey and steak, because no good story ever started with someone having a salad!
  • blasting
    blasting Posts: 6,262

    Hi Ed -  welcome aboard.

    Phoenix 
  • lkapigian
    lkapigian Posts: 11,549
    I just put fire brick in my oven...it stays in all the time , in the rare instances that I do use my it makes everything cook better
    Visalia, Ca @lkapigian
  • Ed58
    Ed58 Posts: 7
    Just to give an idea....

    lNot where it should be yet but getting close....
    XL BGE Clearwater, FL.
  • NPHuskerFL
    NPHuskerFL Posts: 17,629
    edited March 2017
    If you're using the BGE as an almost dedicated pizza oven you may be a good candidate for the Pizza Porta. 
    Excellent post!!!
    LBGE 2013 & MM 2014
    Die Hard HUSKER & BRONCO FAN
    Flying Low & Slow in "Da Burg" FL
  • Wolfpack
    Wolfpack Posts: 3,552
    If you want to do pizza check out the adjustable rig from the ceramic grill store. It will allow you to get the pizza high in the dome which will allow the radiant heat off the ceramic to cook the top. 

    Welcome to the club- 
    Greensboro, NC
  • Ed58
    Ed58 Posts: 7
    If you're using the BGE as an almost dedicated pizza oven you may be a good candidate for the Pizza Porta. 
    Excellent post!!!

    What is the Pizza porta?



    XL BGE Clearwater, FL.
  • kl8ton
    kl8ton Posts: 6,433
    edited March 2017
    http://www.pizza-porta.com/





    Edit: I think it is only made for the Large.
    Large, Medium, MiniMax, 36" Blackstone
    Grand Rapids MI
  • Ed58
    Ed58 Posts: 7
    Wolfpack said:
    If you want to do pizza check out the adjustable rig from the ceramic grill store. It will allow you to get the pizza high in the dome which will allow the radiant heat off the ceramic to cook the top. 

    Welcome to the club- 
    Thanks Wolfpack...I did check out the item you mentioned again not for me...it is critical for best results to achieve a dome temperature at 750/800 while the stone surface between 625/675 depending on the water ratio of the dough. I raise a 17inch round floor of 2 1/2  refractory bricks close 1 1/2 in to the end tip of a 1000 high heat thermometer... measuring heat with a laser for the green flag
    XL BGE Clearwater, FL.
  • NPHuskerFL
    NPHuskerFL Posts: 17,629
    This^^^ yes & I too believe it's only available "at this time" for the LBGE & other similarly sized komado cookers. 
    Is it necessary? No. But, in your particular case it's an eggcessory I think you may enjoy. 
    LBGE 2013 & MM 2014
    Die Hard HUSKER & BRONCO FAN
    Flying Low & Slow in "Da Burg" FL
  • Ed58
    Ed58 Posts: 7
    kl8ton said:
    http://www.pizza-porta.com/





    Edit: I think it is only made for the Large.
    Awsome! Now that's the next level!! Just wondering about if heat deflection is adequate for pizza surface...
    XL BGE Clearwater, FL.
  • lousubcap
    lousubcap Posts: 36,894
    Welcome aboard and quite an opening post.  Glad all is working out on the pizza front.  
    Louisville; Rolling smoke in the neighbourhood.  Life is too short for light/lite beer!  Seems I'm livin in a transitional period. CHEETO (aka Agent Orange) makes Nixon look like a saint.  
  • Love the story and the pizza pics were awesome.  Welcome brother!  Strong work!
    Flint, Michigan
  • piney
    piney Posts: 1,478
    Wow!! What a first post. Welcome aboard and I 'm looking forward to more posts/pics. Glad to have you here.
     
    Lenoir, N.C.
  • bigbadben
    bigbadben Posts: 397
    Ed58 said:
    Yes I took a peak at the blackstone not my choice... a good refractory brick configuration plus timming will give great results with the BGE afterall charcoal baked pizza is the Top!
    Then I suggest you incorporate a stone/steel 2-3 inches above you baking surface for even top/bottom browning.  

  • Foghorn
    Foghorn Posts: 10,228
    Welcome aboard.  Great looking pizza.

    XXL BGE, Karebecue, Klose BYC, Chargiller Akorn Kamado, Weber Smokey Mountain, Grand Turbo gasser, Weber Smoky Joe, and the wheelbarrow that my grandfather used to cook steaks from his cattle

    San Antonio, TX

  • JohnnyTarheel
    JohnnyTarheel Posts: 6,629
    Welcome brother!!!  Looking forward to your cooks!!
    Charlotte, NC - Large BGE 2014, Maverick ET 733, Thermopen, Nest, Platesetter, Woo2 and Extender w/Grid, Kick Ash Basket, Pizza Stone, SS Smokeware Cap, Blackstone 36"
  • kl8ton said:
    http://www.pizza-porta.com/





    Edit: I think it is only made for the Large.
    Pinch A Penny (home of this weekend's North Florida Eggfest ) had one on display last Saturday. Not sure if they will fire one up for the eggfest or not.
    Marshall in Beautiful Fruit Cove, FL.
    MiniMax 04/17
    Unofficial BGE MiniMax Evangelist
    Facebook Big Green Egg MiniMax Owners Group


  • caliking
    caliking Posts: 19,780
    Welcome aboard! Those are some great looking pies. 

    If you like goat, have you checked out Indian or Pakistani grocers? Quality varies, but good sources should be available, depending on where you live. 

    #1 LBGE December 2012 • #2 SBGE February  2013 • #3 Mini May 2013
    A happy BGE family in Houston, TX.
  • Just received notice that Pizza-porta and Papa Murphys will be teaming up to bake pizzas at the North Florida Eggfest this Saturday.


    Marshall in Beautiful Fruit Cove, FL.
    MiniMax 04/17
    Unofficial BGE MiniMax Evangelist
    Facebook Big Green Egg MiniMax Owners Group


  • cmclean
    cmclean Posts: 45
    I just received my Pizza Porta in the mail yesterday and I was disappointed.  The front door came half off with loose screws hanging in the bottom.  This was easy to fix, but the door panel could have been easily damaged and it concerns me how easily the screws came out.  
    Large & 36" Blackstone
    Memphis, TN

  • milesvdustin
    milesvdustin Posts: 2,882
    $300 for the large pizza porta. 

    2 LBGE, Blackstone 36, Jumbo Joe

    Egging in Southern Illinois (Marion)

  • yljkt
    yljkt Posts: 799
    Could have come loose during shipping. If you tightened the screws, what are your concerns now? 
  • nolaegghead
    nolaegghead Posts: 42,109
    cmclean said:
    I just received my Pizza Porta in the mail yesterday and I was disappointed.  The front door came half off with loose screws hanging in the bottom.  This was easy to fix, but the door panel could have been easily damaged and it concerns me how easily the screws came out.  
    I was just thinking, when I looked at the pictures, the handle construction looked extremely flimsy and I hope that wasn't representative of the overall construction.
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