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Pearl Harbor Remembrance

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  • SemolinaPilchard
    SemolinaPilchard Posts: 1,282
    I would not have said that. However, given in actual context, it is not 1/1000 as bad as what nola posted originally.
    How is it that we invite and welcome Japanese men who participated in the attack to the ceremony, but we can not say that the plan and carrying out of that plan was done well? 
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  • JohnInCarolina
    JohnInCarolina Posts: 34,686
    SemolinaPilchard said:
    I would not have said that. However, given in actual context, it is not 1/1000 as bad as what nola posted originally.
    How is it that we invite and welcome Japanese men who participated in the attack to the ceremony, but we can not say that the plan and carrying out of that plan was done well? 
    It's a fair point.  We should probably also recognize the Germans for their innovations in high efficiency ovens from around the same period.
    "I've made a note never to piss you two off." - Stike

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  • HeavyG
    HeavyG Posts: 10,380
    pgprescott said:
    HeavyG said:
    pgprescott said:
    HeavyG said:
    It's always amusing to me that so many right-wingers seem to forget that one of their idols, Saint Antonin Scalia (who I recently learned was murdered by Hillary Clinton), was the deciding vote upholding the right to burn the flag as symbolic speech protected by the 1st Amendment. He also voted against  Congress' attempt to pass a law prohibiting flag burning a year or so later.
    Interesting is correct. If he were a left-wing judge he would have voted with his or her voting block regardless of the Constitution or the law. See the difference smarty!

    It's really funny how all the left-wingers only see one side of things. Just hilarious!
    So..when a conservative justice votes conservatively it's always because they are the ones upholding the Constitution.

    And when liberal justices vote liberally it's always because they are just voting with their voting block.

    Got it.

    Funny how Scalia (aka "Mr. Originalism") viewed the 14th amendment differently when it suited his needs.

    Hey - I'm still waiting for you to tell me what media outlets you read/listen to that are the unbiased deliverers of Truth. I asked a couple times in a different thread and never got a reply tho I may have just missed your answer.
    I find his views on this subject pretty much in line with his views on flag burning. Just because it's wrong doesn't make it unconstitutional. Just because it shouldn't be done, doesn't mean it cannot be done. Correct? My entire point is the Liberal Judges want to make law. Your example is a textbook example of where a law should be passed, not a Supreme Court Ruling. Maybe I missed something. 
    Just what is the purpose of the SCOTUS?

    Congress did in fact pass a law pertaining to burning the US flag - the Flag Protection Act. What did that law do? It codified a ban against burning the flag.

    What did SCOTUS then do? They reiterated what they said just a year earlier - No you can't make that law because we said that activity, regardless how many heads it causes to explode, is protected by the 1st Amendment as symbolic free speech.

    Make law or protect our constitutional rights? I guess it depends on which judges are "activist judges".

    Congress attempted to get a Flag Desecration Amendment passed a decade or so ago. It failed. Perhaps the mood of the country will change enough that such an important issue such as stopping a handful of knuckleheads from burning our flag each year (does it even happen that often?) will be passed by the Congress. But then also has to be passed by nearly 40 state legislatures.

    Maybe Trump will make that an important goal of his time in D.C.
    “Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away.” ― Philip K. Diçk




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  • pgprescott
    pgprescott Posts: 14,544
    edited December 2016
    HeavyG said:
    pgprescott said:
    HeavyG said:
    pgprescott said:
    HeavyG said:
    It's always amusing to me that so many right-wingers seem to forget that one of their idols, Saint Antonin Scalia (who I recently learned was murdered by Hillary Clinton), was the deciding vote upholding the right to burn the flag as symbolic speech protected by the 1st Amendment. He also voted against  Congress' attempt to pass a law prohibiting flag burning a year or so later.
    Interesting is correct. If he were a left-wing judge he would have voted with his or her voting block regardless of the Constitution or the law. See the difference smarty!

    It's really funny how all the left-wingers only see one side of things. Just hilarious!
    So..when a conservative justice votes conservatively it's always because they are the ones upholding the Constitution.

    And when liberal justices vote liberally it's always because they are just voting with their voting block.

    Got it.

    Funny how Scalia (aka "Mr. Originalism") viewed the 14th amendment differently when it suited his needs.

    Hey - I'm still waiting for you to tell me what media outlets you read/listen to that are the unbiased deliverers of Truth. I asked a couple times in a different thread and never got a reply tho I may have just missed your answer.
    I find his views on this subject pretty much in line with his views on flag burning. Just because it's wrong doesn't make it unconstitutional. Just because it shouldn't be done, doesn't mean it cannot be done. Correct? My entire point is the Liberal Judges want to make law. Your example is a textbook example of where a law should be passed, not a Supreme Court Ruling. Maybe I missed something. 
    Just what is the purpose of the SCOTUS?

    Congress did in fact pass a law pertaining to burning the US flag - the Flag Protection Act. What did that law do? It codified a ban against burning the flag.

    What did SCOTUS then do? They reiterated what they said just a year earlier - No you can't make that law because we said that activity, regardless how many heads it causes to explode, is protected by the 1st Amendment as symbolic free speech.

    Make law or protect our constitutional rights? I guess it depends on which judges are "activist judges".

    Congress attempted to get a Flag Desecration Amendment passed a decade or so ago. It failed. Perhaps the mood of the country will change enough that such an important issue such as stopping a handful of knuckleheads from burning our flag each year (does it even happen that often?) will be passed by the Congress. But then also has to be passed by nearly 40 state legislatures.

    Maybe Trump will make that an important goal of his time in D.C.
    Exactly. What the Scotus didn't do is make law like you suggested they should do in your other example. Interesting you avoided the second part all together. 
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  • Eggcelsior
    Eggcelsior Posts: 14,414
    People should read "At Dawn We Slept" by Gordon Prang. University of Maryland Professor who was in the Navy during WWII and was then commissioned to stay in Japan and investigate how the attack was coordinated from the Japanese side. Tora! Tora! Tora! was based on his research.
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  • SemolinaPilchard
    SemolinaPilchard Posts: 1,282
    JohnInCarolina said:

    It's a fair point.  We should probably also recognize the Germans for their innovations in high efficiency ovens from around the same period.


    Twist anything and everything in an attempt to "one up" someone. Sad. But from you, expected. 
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  • SemolinaPilchard
    SemolinaPilchard Posts: 1,282
    Leave it to the usual suspects to turn a Pearl Harbor Memorial thread into a bash the Republican thread. 
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  • JohnInCarolina
    JohnInCarolina Posts: 34,686
    SemolinaPilchard said:
    Leave it to the usual suspects to turn a Pearl Harbor Memorial thread into a bash the Republican thread. 
    Number of posts from you in this thread about Pearl Harbor: 0

    Number of posts from you in this thread about Newt Gingrich: 5
    "I've made a note never to piss you two off." - Stike

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  • DoubleEgger
    DoubleEgger Posts: 19,154
    SemolinaPilchard said:
    Leave it to the usual suspects to turn a Pearl Harbor Memorial thread into a bash the Republican thread. 
    You took the words right out of my mouth. Trolling this thread is despicable. 

    If any of you were wondering what Jason @theyolksonyou was referring to with his comment last night about a lot of sucking going on around here, this is it. 

    Fair winds and following seas to those Americans who perished 75 years ago. 




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  • nolaegghead
    nolaegghead Posts: 42,109
    Calm down downy sensitive people. I had thought I put a trigger alert in here somewhere.  Newt posts some inappropriate tweet and now y'all are all butt hurt.  Man up and grow some damn epidermis with hair on it.  Read my posts.
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  • nolaegghead
    nolaegghead Posts: 42,109
    nolaegghead said:
    Obviously I respect and am grateful for our military, and Pearl Harbor was a devastating loss in military hardware, but especially in lives, and even worse, it was an attack that led to a declaration of war with another foe that resulted in massive loss of life, misery for survivors and a long rebuilding and healing process which apparently may never be complete.

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  • SemolinaPilchard
    SemolinaPilchard Posts: 1,282
    Man up? Seriously? Man up? This coming from someone who went into a bunker after the election? Thanks for the funniest thing I have seen or heard in years!!
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  • JohnInCarolina
    JohnInCarolina Posts: 34,686
    "I've made a note never to piss you two off." - Stike

    "The truth is, these are not very bright guys, and things got out of hand." - Deep Throat
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  • nolaegghead
    nolaegghead Posts: 42,109
    SemolinaPilchard said:
    Man up? Seriously? Man up? This coming from someone who went into a bunker after the election? Thanks for the funniest thing I have seen or heard in years!!
    That theory might hold water if I hadn't more or less stopped posting after brisket camp which was weeks before. I think I made maybe 5 posts after Oct 22 and a few days ago.  I told a bunch of eggers via text weeks before I was burned out on the forum.  It was a lot of fun hearing about the theories I wasn't on because Cheeto Jesus won the election.
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  • JohnInCarolina
    JohnInCarolina Posts: 34,686
    nolaegghead said:
    SemolinaPilchard said:
    Man up? Seriously? Man up? This coming from someone who went into a bunker after the election? Thanks for the funniest thing I have seen or heard in years!!
    That theory might hold water if I hadn't more or less stopped posting after brisket camp which was weeks before. I think I made maybe 5 posts after Oct 22 and a few days ago.  I told a bunch of eggers via text weeks before I was burned out on the forum.  It was a lot of fun hearing about the theories I wasn't on because Cheeto Jesus won the election.
    I think my favorite theory was that you were too much of a chicken to discuss the election results with the Mensa tribe of conservatives here.
    "I've made a note never to piss you two off." - Stike

    "The truth is, these are not very bright guys, and things got out of hand." - Deep Throat
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  • nolaegghead
    nolaegghead Posts: 42,109
    JohnInCarolina said:
    nolaegghead said:
    SemolinaPilchard said:
    Man up? Seriously? Man up? This coming from someone who went into a bunker after the election? Thanks for the funniest thing I have seen or heard in years!!
    That theory might hold water if I hadn't more or less stopped posting after brisket camp which was weeks before. I think I made maybe 5 posts after Oct 22 and a few days ago.  I told a bunch of eggers via text weeks before I was burned out on the forum.  It was a lot of fun hearing about the theories I wasn't on because Cheeto Jesus won the election.
    I think my favorite theory was that you were too much of a chicken to discuss the election results with the Mensa tribe of conservatives here.
    HAHAHAHAHAHA - I just spit out my bourbon and coke!  (it would probably be "elitist" if it were something like 16 year scotch)
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  • Eggcelsior
    Eggcelsior Posts: 14,414
    https://youtu.be/AjPau5QYtYs
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  • pgprescott
    pgprescott Posts: 14,544
    Eggcelsior said:
    https://youtu.be/AjPau5QYtYs
    Which one is  Carey and which one is John
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  • Furall
    Furall Posts: 124
    JohnInCarolina said:
    SemolinaPilchard said:
    I would not have said that. However, given in actual context, it is not 1/1000 as bad as what nola posted originally.
    How is it that we invite and welcome Japanese men who participated in the attack to the ceremony, but we can not say that the plan and carrying out of that plan was done well? 
    It's a fair point.  We should probably also recognize the Germans for their innovations in high efficiency ovens from around the same period.
     You know I never post here. Just read a lot. But for once it would be nice if you and your little buddy could refrain from seeing who can be the bigger ass and show some respect for the people who lost their lives 75 years ago. The above comment is the tackiest I have seen on this forum and that's quite a feat. 
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  • bgebrent
    bgebrent Posts: 19,636
    Back on point.  My brides Dad dropped bombs on D-day and on Berlin, appropriately so.  A Lt. of German decent.  True hero.  Silver Star and Distinguished Flying Cross.  
    Sandy Springs & Dawsonville Ga
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  • nolaegghead
    nolaegghead Posts: 42,109
    My FIL fought on Iwo Jima and in Korea, was part of the post war occupation of Japan - lived with a Japanese family.  Went on to become the Marine reserve Col over a multi-state region and electrical engineer day job for the local baby Bell.
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  • Eggcelsior
    Eggcelsior Posts: 14,414
    Furall said:
    JohnInCarolina said:
    SemolinaPilchard said:
    I would not have said that. However, given in actual context, it is not 1/1000 as bad as what nola posted originally.
    How is it that we invite and welcome Japanese men who participated in the attack to the ceremony, but we can not say that the plan and carrying out of that plan was done well? 
    It's a fair point.  We should probably also recognize the Germans for their innovations in high efficiency ovens from around the same period.
     You know I never post here. Just read a lot. But for once it would be nice if you and your little buddy could refrain from seeing who can be the bigger ass and show some respect for the people who lost their lives 75 years ago. The above comment is the tackiest I have seen on this forum and that's quite a feat. 
    You have missed many a Friday night thread.

    I'm so sorry!
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  • nolaegghead
    nolaegghead Posts: 42,109
    edited December 2016
    John is a terrible person. He's denigrated women by saying he'll grab 'em by the p***y, insulted and attacked gold-star families, called POWs losers because they got caught, and on and on.  I don't think I've ever seen a bigger ass, and I apologize for him.

    Now this, the last straw to this forum member (likes Nikons, so probably not Japanese, as they like the superior Canons)...trying to contrast Newt Gingrich's comment on the very anniversary of Pearl Harbor that the Japanese displayed "professional brilliance" in their attack is like complementing the Germans on building great ovens on the anniversary of V-day.  That is absolutely not a contrast using sarcasm to prove a point.  I think he must have really meant it.  Literally, actually.  Like those ovens were brilliant, like commercial Blodgetts (which I must admit, are great, very very great). Newt did say, in context, we need to be on high fkn alert about sneaky stuff that happened seventy something years ago by brilliant Japanese strategists.  That's totally appropriate as we try to morn our dead in the worst attack in American history.

    I might not be totally accurate about what John actually said, but again, I apologize profusely for it for him.   I hope you accept this apology, and read the entire post before commenting on anything so you don't miss any of the details.
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  • nolaegghead
    nolaegghead Posts: 42,109
    If you are still upset, I am very empathetic.  There is a thread that is safe, and you can go there and I guarantee you that there will be no tacky posts (although I must admit John effed the pooch on this thread) as I police it by saying calm things and chastising those that do not conform to the spirit of safe zones.  And, everyone gets a trophy if they behave.  Again, my sincerest apologies.  Sincerely, with fkn sugar on top, nola.
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  • Furall
    Furall Posts: 124
      I'm sorry as well. Guess I should live for Friday night and a bottle? Nola, I am not going to get into a pissing match with you about any of these comments. Just thought some couth should be in order. 
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  • JohnInCarolina
    JohnInCarolina Posts: 34,686
    Furall said:
      I'm sorry as well. Guess I should live for Friday night and a bottle? Nola, I am not going to get into a pissing match with you about any of these comments. Just thought some couth should be in order. 
    I was responding to a comment asking "Why can't we celebrate how good the Japanese were in Pearl Harbor?" - a sentiment I honestly never expected to read in this forum, much less anywhere.  I used a reductio ad absurdum to highlight how ridiculous I thought this perspective was, because we lost thousands of US citizens that day.  

    I agree that perhaps some couth is in order.  Good day sir.  
    "I've made a note never to piss you two off." - Stike

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  • fishlessman
    fishlessman Posts: 34,571
    nolaegghead said:
    No, I clicked on your link but I just saw a woman flipping a cup around on her ass. ;)
    this was a very good spin off topic by the way =) msnbc at its best, mathews would have got it, mika is still making a funny face staring haphazardly at the ceiling =)
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