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Craigslist Nightmare (and why I will never buy another used Egg)
GrateEggspectations
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Let me start by saying that I own a used Medium. I like buying used items where possible (provided they are in excellent condition), as this generally result in savings and is also good for the environment. Truth be told, I also like the hunt for that incredible bargain.
I recently found an individual selling a Large Egg residing about two hours from my home. After protracted back and forth with the seller, I was assured the Egg was in pristine condition (as well as completely crack-free) and we struck an agreement on price (roughly half of the selling price of a new Egg). I made the drive down, gave the Egg a quick inspection, very carefully loaded it into my vehicle, promptly made the drive back home and unloaded it with utmost care. Upon unpacking at home and cleaning out the ash left in the Egg by the previous owner, I quickly discovered a microscopic seam in the bottom of the inside of the base. Hoping that my worst fears would not be confirmed, I turned the Egg on its side to see a large crack running from one side of the bottom of the base to the other. I was struck with panic. Once this subsided, I further inspected the Egg, dusting off much ash from the internals, and I also saw a large crack running the entire circumference of the firebox.
After sleeping on it (or perhaps more accurately, not sleeping on it!), I reached out to the seller and (sheepishly) flagged the issue, fully expecting that they would simply tell me I was out of luck (my backup plan being to sell the Egg as cracked at greatly reduced price and consider it a very expensive lesson learned). After much discussion with the seller (and in light of the assurances they had previously provided with respect to the condition of the Egg), they agreed to accept the Egg back for refund, such that they could get new parts and resell. I promptly made the two-hour drive to return the Egg and two-hour drive back home. I was lucky, as not all sellers would have been as honest and as willing to rectify the matter.
I learned two important lessons from the experience:
(i) never take sellers' assurances at face value. While misinformation can stem from either dishonesty or genuine ignorance (in the non-pejorative sense), the latter being the case in my scenario, it always pays to perform your own rigorous assessment. While I examined the Egg at the time of sale, there was much ash present on the components, completely masking all signs of cracks; and
(ii) the value of the BGE warranty cannot be overestimated. When an Egg cracks (and note that I say "when", and not "if", as I believe this is inevitable, as other members have noted), it pays to be able to cash in on warranty, if only to ensure that the Egg you may ultimately be selling is fit for sale. While this Egg was only three years old, it required a replacement base and firebox. I can only imagine the replacements required over the course of one's lifetime.
I now intend on purchasing a new Large directly from a dealer. It will be twice the price of the used one, but I am now a firm believer in the fact that the replacing of parts will be inevitable and when the time comes (and perhaps more realistically, comes and comes again), the warranty will more than pay more itself. That is not to say that there is anything wrong with the purchase of used Eggs, only that I now fully understand the potential ramifications of doing so as well as the corresponding value of the warranty.
I recently found an individual selling a Large Egg residing about two hours from my home. After protracted back and forth with the seller, I was assured the Egg was in pristine condition (as well as completely crack-free) and we struck an agreement on price (roughly half of the selling price of a new Egg). I made the drive down, gave the Egg a quick inspection, very carefully loaded it into my vehicle, promptly made the drive back home and unloaded it with utmost care. Upon unpacking at home and cleaning out the ash left in the Egg by the previous owner, I quickly discovered a microscopic seam in the bottom of the inside of the base. Hoping that my worst fears would not be confirmed, I turned the Egg on its side to see a large crack running from one side of the bottom of the base to the other. I was struck with panic. Once this subsided, I further inspected the Egg, dusting off much ash from the internals, and I also saw a large crack running the entire circumference of the firebox.
After sleeping on it (or perhaps more accurately, not sleeping on it!), I reached out to the seller and (sheepishly) flagged the issue, fully expecting that they would simply tell me I was out of luck (my backup plan being to sell the Egg as cracked at greatly reduced price and consider it a very expensive lesson learned). After much discussion with the seller (and in light of the assurances they had previously provided with respect to the condition of the Egg), they agreed to accept the Egg back for refund, such that they could get new parts and resell. I promptly made the two-hour drive to return the Egg and two-hour drive back home. I was lucky, as not all sellers would have been as honest and as willing to rectify the matter.
I learned two important lessons from the experience:
(i) never take sellers' assurances at face value. While misinformation can stem from either dishonesty or genuine ignorance (in the non-pejorative sense), the latter being the case in my scenario, it always pays to perform your own rigorous assessment. While I examined the Egg at the time of sale, there was much ash present on the components, completely masking all signs of cracks; and
(ii) the value of the BGE warranty cannot be overestimated. When an Egg cracks (and note that I say "when", and not "if", as I believe this is inevitable, as other members have noted), it pays to be able to cash in on warranty, if only to ensure that the Egg you may ultimately be selling is fit for sale. While this Egg was only three years old, it required a replacement base and firebox. I can only imagine the replacements required over the course of one's lifetime.
I now intend on purchasing a new Large directly from a dealer. It will be twice the price of the used one, but I am now a firm believer in the fact that the replacing of parts will be inevitable and when the time comes (and perhaps more realistically, comes and comes again), the warranty will more than pay more itself. That is not to say that there is anything wrong with the purchase of used Eggs, only that I now fully understand the potential ramifications of doing so as well as the corresponding value of the warranty.
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tl;dr - caveat emptor"I've made a note never to piss you two off." - Stike
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Why not just have them warranty the egg and you keep it. They could have done it for free.
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Because the logistics of returning to get after warranty claim were just too daunting (this would have totalled three independent four hour drives to complete the deal) and frankly, because it scared me from even entertaining the idea of owning a used Egg (in addition the Medium I already have).clifkincaid said:Why not just have them warranty the egg and you keep it. They could have done it for free. -
You were lucky.
Bought a used large for $300 with a table back in 2008, still goin strong. No regrets.
Had a recent cl heartbreak. Was set to pick up a Hobart grinder, made an offer of $500, nice dude. Night before our meet up at the Altoona Bass Pro parking lot, he rolled the grinder out to use it one last time. In doing so, one of the knives vibrated and dropped down into the worm screw. Threw some meat in, turned it on, and BAM!!! The torque blew a hole in the cast collar, snapped the SS knife in half. Felt so damn bad for the guy. Had the manual, bought some 80/140 gear oil, was ready to shine that bad boy up after talking with a Hobart tech. A new collar is $600. He just had it painted. Told him he could part it out, get at least some money out of it.
Sh!t happens, but I felt really bad for the guy. Saved me a trip to DSM.
Honestly, you were lucky he took it back.
Seller may not have even known it was cracked.BrandonQuad Cities
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Thanks for sharing! You dodged that bullet for sure! Want-to-be eggers are often married to spouses who will still believe that Santa Claus exists before they believe their husband should spend $900 for a BGE...even if buying new carries a life time warranty on the critical expensive parts.Re-gasketing the USA one yard at a time
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Point taken, but as mentioned, the agreement to purchase was made with the understanding (and complete assurances on the part of the seller) that there were no cracks whatsoever. Buying an Egg with cracks unknown is one thing; buying an Egg with assurances that it is 100% free of defects is another.JohnInCarolina said:tl;dr - caveat emptor -
Nightmare sounds like an overstatement here. This should be titled " I'm one lucky SOB."
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I bought a lot of used eggs and used them and flipped them over the last 10 yrs. my 3 left I bought new and have receipts for and would never buy used again unless it was like 25% of new price. Like a large for $200 yes a large for $300 is a no for sure.
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I guess I'm different. I'd have kept it and made the best of it, being as how I made the deal and walked away.Slumming it in Aiken, SC.
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Mini for sale. Boston area.
Used.
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Darby - any cracks?
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I was indeed very lucky that the seller acknowledge the discrepancy between the product as advertised and the actual condition, and was willing to rectify the matter in short order. As mentioned, I did not necessarily expect this and had been prepared to take a significant loss on the deal.
Obviously, this was partially my fault for not thoroughly inspecting the Egg and for taking the seller's statements at face value.
While it worked out reasonably well under the circumstances, I just wanted to share this as a cautionary tale for all those who may find themselves buying a used Egg. -
Dodged a bullet for sure. And while not specifically mentioned, for your new BGE buy, hit up an eggfest as you will get a great deal. The BGE at most will have been cooked on once and comes with the full warranty. FWIW-Louisville; Rolling smoke in the neighbourhood. Life is too short for light/lite beer! Seems I'm livin in a transitional period. CHEETO (aka Agent Orange) makes Nixon look like a saint.
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Thanks for the Eggfest suggestion. Gotta say though, a local dealer is offering a well-equipped Large for the same price as an Eggfest Egg (for which I would need to make a long drive). I'm in Canada, so we're talking approximately $1600 in either scenario.
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Seller makes no expressed guarantees or implied warranties. Buyer is free to inspect the mini to whatever lengths are reasonably required to assure self of the integrity of the ceramic structure and internal componentsGrateEggspectations said:Darby - any cracks?
complete with additional as-new replacement hinge and plate setter
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I had a similar scare a few weeks back! I got confident and didn't clean out the ashes inside the Large egg. When I got home after the trip and was inspecting it I also saw what appeared to be a crack but luckily for me it was a long black hair! HAHAAustin, Tx
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I bought a used medium, buy I worked that Egg over like it owed me money before I left with it. It's been a great cooker for me.------------------------------
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My fire bowl cracked, I heard it happen. Took a picture, emailed it to my dealer, and when the new one came in, picked it up. They did not want the old one back.
So I have a new fire bowl out in the shed, spare part.
My fire ring cracked. Sent a picture to my dealer, got a new fire ring delivered directly to the house. He didn't want the cracked one back.
So I also have a brand new fire ring in my growing spare egg parts shelf in the shed.
One piece at a time, I'm going to build myself a brand new LBGE.
The cracked parts work just fine, and those cracks likely help to keep new cracks from forming since the thermal stress has a place to expand. A crack is only a cosmetic defect - doesn't affect the performance a bit, far as I can tell. I'm happy if my egg is only operating at 98% efficiency.
If it gets two cracks, I'll replace it before it calves into two pieces. All I have to do is take it down off the shelf.
Indianapolis, IN
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Drive a few hundred miles in any direction, and the experience changes dramatically.
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I've bought 3 on CL, 1 used, 2 that were gifts and never used...mind you I've done looked at many more....they are out there.I have bought 2 large and 1 mini and I only have $800.00 invested in all 3
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I have bought new and used. My dealer has never questioned me on any replacement parts for either. They don't cost the dealer money, or I don't believe they do. I will certainly buy used again if the price is right.
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I bet the cost of the gas/wear and tear on your car and 4 hours of your time to return it would have covered the cost of a new base. Also, I agree that buying a used Egg is probably not the best idea...based on the warranty parts I have had covered so far.XL,L,SWinston-Salem, NC
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Moleman said:I have bought new and used. My dealer has never questioned me on any replacement parts for either. They don't cost the dealer money, or I don't believe they do. I will certainly buy used again if the price is right.
Same here!!! There are GREAT dealers out there, for sure!
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It is how I get replacement parts, show dealer the cracked part and pick up when the new part is in. Have never had to prove I bought new even though I did by new.Moleman said:I have bought new and used. My dealer has never questioned me on any replacement parts for either. They don't cost the dealer money, or I don't believe they do. I will certainly buy used again if the price is right.
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Before I would buy a used ceramic komado type cooker, it would need to be a one way sweet deal. When I say "one way sweet deal" I mean almost free in perfect condition. A couple replacement parts, and you are back up to the cost of a new one. There are two types of Ceramic cookers out there; ceramic cookers that are cracked, and ceramic cookers that are going to crack."Knowledge is Good" - Emil Faber
XL and MM
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The cost of the firebox alone easily eclipses the gas/wear and tear. Then there would be the new base.Hi54putty said:I bet the cost of the gas/wear and tear on your car and 4 hours of your time to return it would have covered the cost of a new base. Also, I agree that buying a used Egg is probably not the best idea...based on the warranty parts I have had covered so far.
I understand that some dealers may help out without warranty, but the odds that they'd request a receipt for both a firebox and base seemed too high to be left to chance. -
I bought my 2nd bge on ebay. It was a large and i got it back in 2013. It is going great, but juat last weekend i noticed a crack in the firerimg thqt caused a large enough expansion thqt it completely seperated. Thankfully there is plenty of room between the firering outer diam and the lower ceramic part of the oven. Otherwise this could be a really bad situation
The used L i got i paid 700 for and got a nest, platesetter, table with wheels (overkill), looftlighter (which is now burned out) grate gripper, two vert chix roasters, CI grate, platesetter, bge cookbook and a few other extra minor accessories. I prob overpaid a bit but am glad i got it. I added up the new cost of everything at the time and it totaled roughly 1350. So almost a 50% discount was good for me.
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I use Craigslist Alerts so I am not always having to check- I get an email when anything for sale with the keywords Big Green Egg Kamado....its easier to weed things out that way. I only go to the ones that are close my home, and if I don't like it....don't buy it.
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Maybe so, but a cracked firebox can be used forever. Not any real need to replace it unless it crumbles into pieces. The firebox in my large has been cracked for 3 years and I can't tell the difference.GrateEggspectations said:
The cost of the firebox alone easily eclipses the gas/wear and tear. Then there would be the new base.Hi54putty said:I bet the cost of the gas/wear and tear on your car and 4 hours of your time to return it would have covered the cost of a new base. Also, I agree that buying a used Egg is probably not the best idea...based on the warranty parts I have had covered so far.
I understand that some dealers may help out without warranty, but the odds that they'd request a receipt for both a firebox and base seemed too high to be left to chance.XL,L,SWinston-Salem, NC -
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