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First brisket

As with everything, the more research I do the more conflicted I become. I'm attempting my first packer brisket tonight, 16lbs untrimmed. I assume it will be at least 15lbs after trimming.

ive read quite a few people having lots of success with the grate around 265 and no foil during cook, but I'm not sure how long at that temp. I understand time is just a guide and probing is the true indicator, but I won't to be able to plan accordingly to have it done in time for dinner tomorrow after resting 2-3 hours.

Thanks in advance for any advice.
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  • GATraveller
    GATraveller Posts: 8,207
    The last one I did was close to the same size (maybe 1lb lighter) and it was ready to come off after only 8.5 hours.  I had planned for a longer cook but I had to drape it over a rib rack in order for it to fit on the LBGE so it was higher up in the dome and cooked quicker.  

    That's my latest cook so take it for what it's worth. 

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    2 Large
    Peachtree Corners, GA
  • lousubcap
    lousubcap Posts: 36,747
    I run at about 270*F  on the dome and for the past 4-5 briskets ( post-trim weight 10-14 lbs) I have seen around 0.75 hrs/lb.  I plan on 1 hr/lb at that temp so have been in the extended FTC arena to get to the slice and eat time. 
    Aim to finish on the early side so you aren't sweating getting to the finish-line.  The cow always wins-but the journey is great fun.  FWIW-
    Louisville; Rolling smoke in the neighbourhood.  Life is too short for light/lite beer!  Seems I'm livin in a transitional period. CHEETO (aka Agent Orange) makes Nixon look like a saint.  
  • SPRIGS
    SPRIGS Posts: 482
    I am not a brisket expert - I have made some really good ones and some really poor ones.  The last one I did started out at 18.7 pounds.  After trimming, it was probably closer to 16 pounds.  I cooked it at 260 at the grate.  After 10 hours it was at 175 internal so I foiled it to push it through the stall.  Took around an hour and a half to get to 202 and it probed nice so I pulled it off and FTC for several hours until we were ready to eat.

    Every piece of meat is different so it is very hard in my opinion to try to time everything so the meat is getting done shortly before you are planning to eat.

    I would plan your cook for the meat to be done well in advance of your planned time to eat.  I really think a long FTC on a big cut of meat helps the finished product.   Won't hurt it a bit to sit in a pre warmed cooler, wrapped in some towels for 6 hours or more.    That way you don't have to try to figure out exactly how long it is going to take to time everything perfectly.  Sit back with your beverage of choice and enjoy the process!  Just my thoughts.
    XL BGE
  • fence0407
    fence0407 Posts: 2,244
    I did a 13lb packer and it was on the egg for 14.5 hours total and that included wrapping it in foil when the internal temp reached 160. Like others have said, I'd aim for being done a few hours before you need it. Don't forget the pics!
    Large - Mini - Blackstone 17", 28", 36"
    Cumming, GA  

  • feef706
    feef706 Posts: 853
    Ah so much variation in everyone's methods. I think I will start it at midnight and plan for it to be done early and FTC, just still not sure about the foil while cooking.

    Thanks for the feedback.
  • lousubcap
    lousubcap Posts: 36,747
    Here is a great video that addresses foil, butcher paper and no foil with a brisket cook.  http://video.pbs.org/video/2365494916/
    Credit to @SGH for first posting this several months ago.  As you have concluded from the above, "there are many ways to get there". 
    Louisville; Rolling smoke in the neighbourhood.  Life is too short for light/lite beer!  Seems I'm livin in a transitional period. CHEETO (aka Agent Orange) makes Nixon look like a saint.  
  • jimithing
    jimithing Posts: 255
    There are two reasons to foil or wrap in paper during the cook - you want it to cook faster or you don't want the bark to get any darker.  That's it.  You can also just wrap when it comes off during the resting phase.

    Aim for a grate temp of 250-275.  Hopefully you have a wireless thermometer?  You want to start probing it at about 190 and when the whole thing probes like butter you pull it and wrap it for resting.  Briskets can rest for 5 hours easily.  Just wrap it in an old towel and stick it in a cooler, it'll be fine.  It's much better for it to be done hours ahead of time than for it to be done hours after you want to eat, right?

    FYI, foil will cause the brisket to steam.  So your bark will be soft when you cut it.  Not a terrible thing but some people will take the foil back off for the last 30-45 minutes to try to firm the bark back up.  The alternative is to use the non-waxed butchers paper which will not soften the bark so much.  Everyone is right, though.  Lots of ways to get there.  Best to experiment and see what works for you.
    XL BGE
    Plano, TX
  • GATraveller
    GATraveller Posts: 8,207
    feef706 said:
    Ah so much variation in everyone's methods. I think I will start it at midnight and plan for it to be done early and FTC, just still not sure about the foil while cooking.

    Thanks for the feedback.
    Foil while cooking is not necessary.

    "Social media gives legions of idiots the right to speak when they once only spoke at a bar after a glass of wine, without harming the community [...] but now they have the same right to speak as a Nobel Prize winner. It's the invasion of the idiots."

                                                                                  -Umberto Eco

    2 Large
    Peachtree Corners, GA
  • feef706
    feef706 Posts: 853
    I understand the reasons for foiling, some just seem to swear by it. Since this is my first I almost want to er on the side of caution.

    Another question, how much fat do you remove between the point and flat, this thing has a ton of super hard fat dividing, I removed a lot but it seems to be never ending. See the pic, this is the non fat cap side.

    it continues through and pokes through the back of this side not visible in the picture
  • GATraveller
    GATraveller Posts: 8,207
    You're good to go. 

    "Social media gives legions of idiots the right to speak when they once only spoke at a bar after a glass of wine, without harming the community [...] but now they have the same right to speak as a Nobel Prize winner. It's the invasion of the idiots."

                                                                                  -Umberto Eco

    2 Large
    Peachtree Corners, GA
  • lousubcap
    lousubcap Posts: 36,747
    Give the Aaron Franklin brisket videos a look. They will steer you right.  The "Payoff" video takes all the mystery out of how to slice the flat and point.
    Louisville; Rolling smoke in the neighbourhood.  Life is too short for light/lite beer!  Seems I'm livin in a transitional period. CHEETO (aka Agent Orange) makes Nixon look like a saint.  
  • feef706
    feef706 Posts: 853
    @lousubcap I watched his videos, the piece he was working with looked a lot better than mine. Thanks again
  • jimithing
    jimithing Posts: 255
    If that's my brisket I probably cut out a little more of that fat that looks white in the bottom center of your brisket.  Also, trim down the whole left side of the brisket to get that brown stuff off there.  You should find a whiter fat underneath.  That brown stuff is no good for eating IMO.

    Also make a note of the way the grain is running.  You'll want to know which way to slice when it comes off.  While it's cooking you should watch the AF video on how to slice it.
    XL BGE
    Plano, TX
  • Tinyfish
    Tinyfish Posts: 1,755
    I cook at 225f grate and the last two briskets were 17lbs pre trimming and took around 14 to 15 hours wrapped in butchers paper mid way through the cook. 

    I would start it 16 to 17 hours before your dinner time.  This way if its done early like 12 hours or so you can rest it in a cooler. If its done late like 15 or 16 hours you still have a short rest period. 


  • feef706
    feef706 Posts: 853
    edited October 2015
    @Tinyfish this is exactly what I was looking for

    Where can I find butchers paper? Walmart?
  • 4Runner
    4Runner Posts: 2,948
    I trim off that lip on the left side in pic.  I can of shape it up a bit. Got that from the Franklin video. 

    On temp, assuming you are not using a controller, let your Egg settle in and get stable. If it's 240, go with that...if it's 265, that's good too.  I prefer no paper....we just like the dark crusty bark.  Good luck. 
    Joe - I'm a reformed gasser-holic aka 4Runner Columbia, SC Wonderful BGE Resource Site: http://www.nakedwhiz.com/ceramicfaq.htm and http://www.nibblemethis.com/  and http://playingwithfireandsmoke.blogspot.com/2006/02/recipes.html
    What am I drinking now?   Woodford....neat
  • lousubcap
    lousubcap Posts: 36,747
    @feef706- I don't know how to interpret your post above to Tinyfish as surely there were many opportunities in prior posts to come up with a plan.  The BGE affords many ways to get there-the cook just needs to pick one and go.  FWIW-
    Louisville; Rolling smoke in the neighbourhood.  Life is too short for light/lite beer!  Seems I'm livin in a transitional period. CHEETO (aka Agent Orange) makes Nixon look like a saint.  
  • feef706
    feef706 Posts: 853
    @lousubcap he just gave me two instances of a similar sized brisket, grate temp and technique along with time. Like you said I could arrive at several methods based on everyone's feedback but having some weights close to what I'm working with makes me feel a little more comfortable.

    I value all the feedback and will build on my own experience with everyone's advice but just trying to make sure not to underestimate this first cook
  • bob.bud
    bob.bud Posts: 297
    @feef706 I sent you a pm with the link to my cook of a 16lb brisket prior to trimming. The post shares temps and I actually uploaded the excel file of the temperature over time exported from iGrill.

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  • bob.bud
    bob.bud Posts: 297
    While most will say fat side up, I have seen others, specifically with an egg, to cook it fat side down. What do you all do? My first packer on the egg was done fat side down.
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  • lousubcap
    lousubcap Posts: 36,747
    A couple of things:  As mentioned above, slice a small piece off the flat perpendicular to the grain before you create that meteorite and I run fat cap down for the addition heat protection.  I also run with the point to the back around the high noon position.  That's the hottest part of the BGE and the point has enough fat to never be worried about in the cook-i.e. it will ride along just fine til the flat releases.  Also, foil protect any part of the brisket that is outside the heat deflector, especially the thinner section of the trailing end of the flat.  
    Gotta love the cook-too much fun.
    Louisville; Rolling smoke in the neighbourhood.  Life is too short for light/lite beer!  Seems I'm livin in a transitional period. CHEETO (aka Agent Orange) makes Nixon look like a saint.  
  • Ladeback69
    Ladeback69 Posts: 4,484
    @feet706, here is 13.75 lbs one I put on at 7 running around 225 on the grid right now.    I have my own thread going on it now.  Hoping to have it for lunch tomorrow.   I think it will be done around 9 in the morning, because my seems to gain 25 to 30 degrees over night.  I don't wrap unless I need to get it done sooner and I get the egg up to near 300.  I also don't tell around 165 if the bark is right.  Good luck. 
    XL, WSM, Coleman Road Trip Gas Grill

    Kansas City, Mo.
  • I'm doing one tonight too. I'll roll with you if you need anything. 
    Keepin' It Weird in The ATX FBTX
  • feef706
    feef706 Posts: 853
    bob.bud said:
    While most will say fat side up, I have seen others, specifically with an egg, to cook it fat side down. What do you all do? My first packer on the egg was done fat side down.
    Thanks for the spam and follow up, I too wondered this. I was leaning towards fat side down, thanks @lousubcap for clarifying,
    i think I will go with fat down this time around. Also thanks for the pointer on placement of the meat and foil, this makes a lot of sense. About to season the beef and fire up the egg shortly
  • feef706
    feef706 Posts: 853
    @The Cen-Tex Smoker thank you sir, mixing up my 50/50 salt and pepper as we speak 
  • feef706 said:
    @The Cen-Tex Smoker thank you sir, mixing up my 50/50 salt and pepper as we speak 

    Cool. Fat cap up/down shouldn't make much difference. I'm an up guy but I dont think it matters at all. Fire is lit for me too. I didn't read all the other stuff but You will lose more than 1lb if you trim it right. 
    Keepin' It Weird in The ATX FBTX
  • lousubcap
    lousubcap Posts: 36,747
    edited October 2015

    @"The Cen-Tex Smoker" -
      you know you really ought to read "all the other stuff" as it could mess you up ;)  Enjoy your bonding catering adventure with @Cazzy this weekend if my mind has not totally failed me.
    Louisville; Rolling smoke in the neighbourhood.  Life is too short for light/lite beer!  Seems I'm livin in a transitional period. CHEETO (aka Agent Orange) makes Nixon look like a saint.  
  • lousubcap said:
    @The Cen-Tex Smoker -  you know you really ought to read "all the other stuff" as it could mess you up ;)  Enjoy your bonding catering adventure with @Cazzy this weekend if my mind has not totally failed me.
    It's just tfj and I on this one. 

    Keepin' It Weird in The ATX FBTX
  • lousubcap
    lousubcap Posts: 36,747
    lousubcap said:
    @The Cen-Tex Smoker -  you know you really ought to read "all the other stuff" as it could mess you up   Enjoy your bonding catering adventure with @Cazzy this weekend if my mind has not totally failed me.
    It's just tfj and I on this one. 

    Enjoy the weekend.  

    Louisville; Rolling smoke in the neighbourhood.  Life is too short for light/lite beer!  Seems I'm livin in a transitional period. CHEETO (aka Agent Orange) makes Nixon look like a saint.  
  • The Cen-Tex Smoker
    The Cen-Tex Smoker Posts: 23,179
    edited October 2015
    lousubcap said:
    lousubcap said:
    @The Cen-Tex Smoker -  you know you really ought to read "all the other stuff" as it could mess you up   Enjoy your bonding catering adventure with @Cazzy this weekend if my mind has not totally failed me.
    It's just tfj and I on this one. 

    Enjoy the weekend.  

    Should be fun. It's a group Tour with a bge distributor from Canada. He's a chef and they do culinary tours. They wanted central TX bbq. Hope we don't let them down. 
    Keepin' It Weird in The ATX FBTX