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CNN: Beef is awful for the climate.

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  • theyolksonyou
    theyolksonyou Posts: 18,459
    I screwed that up, but you got the point. 

  • GATraveller
    GATraveller Posts: 8,207

    "Social media gives legions of idiots the right to speak when they once only spoke at a bar after a glass of wine, without harming the community [...] but now they have the same right to speak as a Nobel Prize winner. It's the invasion of the idiots."

                                                                                  -Umberto Eco

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  • nolaegghead
    nolaegghead Posts: 42,109
    If you can't trust the world's meteorological academia when they come to a consensus, then you are the whacko.  Or the world's most intelligent climatologist.  Probably a whacko though.
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  • Legume
    Legume Posts: 15,936
    Dennis Quaid was a climatologist in The Day After Tomorrow and nobody believed him and the world got totally f'd up by these huge storms that sucked freezing air in from space.  They should've believed the climatologist then they could've moved underground like the people from 12 Monkeys.  Dennis Quaid wasn't in 12 Monkeys because they didn't need any climatologists and it was in the future and everyone was living underground which is probably why there weren't any climatologists because they were underground so what would a climatologist do?  I would believe the climatologists...and dig a tunnel.
    THANK YOU FOR YOUR ATTENTION TO THIS MATTER
  • Sardonicus
    Sardonicus Posts: 1,700

    LOL
    You shouldn't smoke that stuff and post.

    "Too bad all the people who know how to run the country are busy driving cabs and barbecuing."      - George Burns

  • Sardonicus
    Sardonicus Posts: 1,700
    edited October 2015

    And now, Your Moment Of
    WTF?!
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qi6n_-wB154

    "Too bad all the people who know how to run the country are busy driving cabs and barbecuing."      - George Burns

  • Durangler
    Durangler Posts: 1,122
    I always thought science was fact...not opinion or consensus.  :o 
    But then again, I grew up in the 60's.
    :| 
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  • henapple
    henapple Posts: 16,025
    DMW said:
    Dave, unless you are a climatologist, i really dgaf what your opinion. I never asked for it, and have been doing just fine without it.

    And i'm not stupid enough to think you care about mine. So don't pretend to ask for it. 

    Opinions are like a$$holes, everyone has one, and nobody wants to look at the other guy's.
    There's a county clerk in Kentucky that would argue that point 
    Green egg, dead animal and alcohol. The "Boro".. TN 
  • JohnInCarolina
    JohnInCarolina Posts: 34,817
    edited October 2015
    Durangler said:
    I always thought science was fact...not opinion or consensus.  :o 
    But then again, I grew up in the 60's. :| 
    Science is based on facts, but they're not the same things.  The facts are the essential things - raw materials if you will - that science is based on.  
    "I've made a note never to piss you two off." - Stike

    "The truth is, these are not very bright guys, and things got out of hand." - Deep Throat
  • JohnInCarolina
    JohnInCarolina Posts: 34,817
    edited October 2015
    Davec433 said:
    weather and climate are not the same thing for one thing.

    my point is: don't go disparaging science, and then go using science to back it up.


    What science? No increase in temperature in the past 15 year! But that doesn't bring attention to all the Climate modeling that's been wrong in the past.

    With regard to the first point... no.

    http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10584-015-1495-y

    As to your second point, I'm not sure which models you believe were "wrong."  Here's a comparison of some of the models Jim Hansen made back in 1988 to observational data:



    You'll note that there are a couple of different scenarios he based his models on.  Despite using pretty simple models at the time, his predictions were pretty accurate.  

    Since that time, of course, models - particularly those relying on high performance computing at the national labs - have become quite a bit more sophisticated.   

    They're still not perfect of course, but models never are.  The process of model validation is one of continual improvement.  
    "I've made a note never to piss you two off." - Stike

    "The truth is, these are not very bright guys, and things got out of hand." - Deep Throat
  • henapple
    henapple Posts: 16,025
    Green egg, dead animal and alcohol. The "Boro".. TN 
  • Legume
    Legume Posts: 15,936
    well, Time Magazine, I would never listen to them <eye roll>
    THANK YOU FOR YOUR ATTENTION TO THIS MATTER
  • THEBuckeye
    THEBuckeye Posts: 4,232
    If you can't trust the world's meteorological academia when they come to a consensus, then you are the whacko.  Or the world's most intelligent climatologist.  Probably a whacko though.
    You lost me at "academia".
    New Albany, Ohio 

  • henapple
    henapple Posts: 16,025
    Green egg, dead animal and alcohol. The "Boro".. TN 
  • henapple
    henapple Posts: 16,025
    Watch "Ice Age Scare 1979 Leonard Nimoy" on YouTube
    Green egg, dead animal and alcohol. The "Boro".. TN 
  • JohnInCarolina
    JohnInCarolina Posts: 34,817
    edited October 2015
    henapple said:
    That cover's actually not from 1977.  Just another piece of misinformation I'm afraid.



    "I've made a note never to piss you two off." - Stike

    "The truth is, these are not very bright guys, and things got out of hand." - Deep Throat
  • nolaegghead
    nolaegghead Posts: 42,109
    If you can't trust the world's meteorological academia when they come to a consensus, then you are the whacko.  Or the world's most intelligent climatologist.  Probably a whacko though.
    You lost me at "academia".
    Terribly sorry about that.  I know you struggle with big words.  Replace acedemia with "people that done learn stuff" and I think you'll be found.
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  • theyolksonyou
    theyolksonyou Posts: 18,459
    If you can't trust the world's meteorological academia when they come to a consensus, then you are the whacko.  Or the world's most intelligent climatologist.  Probably a whacko though.
    You lost me at "academia".
    Terribly sorry about that.  I know you struggle with big words.  Replace acedemia with "people that done learn stuff" and I think you'll be found.
    Learnt. Get it right. 
  • Sardonicus
    Sardonicus Posts: 1,700
    edited October 2015
    henapple said:
    There're lies and there're damned lies.

    time

    Sorry, a TIME Magazine Cover Did Not Predict a Coming Ice Age

    A doctored TIME magazine cover warns of a coming ice age. But the reality remains that the world is warming, thanks chiefly to human action

    By Bryan Walsh @bryanrwalshJune 06, 2013
    . . .

    Ads, jokes and protests are one thing, though — hoax covers are something else entirely. And that’s the problem with a faked TIME cover about global warming that’s been floating around the Internet for some time. . . . You can see it here:

    The cover on the right is real. . . . The one on the left is very much not. It’s a doctored version of this cover, from 2007:

    Apparently the hoax cover has been floating around the Internet for at least a few years. . . .

    But the hoax does touch on an important part of climate science — and one that’s often misunderstood by skeptics. Call it the Ice Age Fallacy. Skeptics argue that back in the 1970s both popular media and some scientists were far more worried about global cooling than they were about global warming. For some reason a Newsweek article on the next ice age, published back in 1975, gets a lot of the attention, though TIME did a version of the story, as did a number of other media outlets. The rationale goes this way: the fact that scientists were once supposedly so concerned about global cooling, which didn’t come true, just shows that we shouldn’t worry about the new fears of climate change.

    But as John Cook points out over at Skeptical Science, global cooling was much more an invention of the media than it was a real scientific concern. survey of peer-reviewed scientific papers published between 1965 and 1979 shows that the large majority of research at the time predicted that the earth would warm as carbon-dioxide levels rose — as indeed it has. And some of those global-cooling projections were based on the idea that aerosol levels in the atmosphere — which are a product of air pollution from sources like coal burning and which contribute to cooling bydeflecting sunlight in the atmosphere — would keep rising. But thanks to environmental legislation like the Clean Air Acts, global air-pollution levels — not including greenhouse gases like carbon dioxide — peaked in the 1970s and began declining.

    The reality is that scientists in the 1970s were just beginning to understand how climate change and aerosol pollution might impact global temperatures. Add in the media-hype cycle — which was true then as it is now — and you have some coverage that turned out to be wrong. But thanks to the Internet, those stories stay undead, recycled by notorious climate skeptics like George Will. Pay no attention to the Photoshop. It’s the science we should heed — and the science says man-made climate change is real and very, very worrying.

    http://science.time.com/2013/06/06/sorry-a-time-magazine-cover-did-not-predict-a-coming-ice-age/


    "Too bad all the people who know how to run the country are busy driving cabs and barbecuing."      - George Burns

  • DMW
    DMW Posts: 13,836
    henapple said:
    That cover's actually not from 1977.  Just another piece of misinformation I'm afraid.
    Something pretty awesome did happen in 1977. I showed up. :smiley: 

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  • GATraveller
    GATraveller Posts: 8,207
    edited October 2015
    I ain't never put no stock in all that book learnin  

    "Social media gives legions of idiots the right to speak when they once only spoke at a bar after a glass of wine, without harming the community [...] but now they have the same right to speak as a Nobel Prize winner. It's the invasion of the idiots."

                                                                                  -Umberto Eco

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  • nolaegghead
    nolaegghead Posts: 42,109
    I just farted some CO2 and CH4.
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  • Eat more chickn

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  • Sardonicus
    Sardonicus Posts: 1,700
    edited October 2015

    Explaining denial . . .
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ix8VBoSa3cE
    (Unfortunately, no available explanation for willful ignorance.)

    "Too bad all the people who know how to run the country are busy driving cabs and barbecuing."      - George Burns

  • henapple
    henapple Posts: 16,025
    I'll watch it as soon as I recover from Leonard Nimoy terrifying me with the global freeze info. I'll have to run back up to the attic and put my winter clothes up.
    Green egg, dead animal and alcohol. The "Boro".. TN 
  • Sardonicus
    Sardonicus Posts: 1,700
    edited October 2015

    Willful ignorance may defy explanation, but an illustration may help.

    FileHead up assjpg

    "Too bad all the people who know how to run the country are busy driving cabs and barbecuing."      - George Burns

  • nolaegghead
    nolaegghead Posts: 42,109
    Denial may not be a river in Egypt but it sure looks smelly.  What say you @henapple is it?  Smelly?
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  • theyolksonyou
    theyolksonyou Posts: 18,459
    Damn!  There was a history channel in 1979?

    we had NBC(3), ABC(9) and CBS(12) and changes channels with a pair of pliers back then
  • Sardonicus
    Sardonicus Posts: 1,700

    You youngsters!
    "Too bad all the people who know how to run the country are busy driving cabs and barbecuing."      - George Burns