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OT: Canadian Geese

danv23
danv23 Posts: 953
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I live in a golf course community in Cumming, GA (Windermere), and recently the course replaced the beat up bent grass greens with mini verde bermuda, which is an excellent surface.  The course is due to reopen on August 16th and I played there with my kids last night (temporary greens in place) and I was horrified to see Canadian Geese on two of the greens eating the grass.  I can't stand those god dam things in the first place, but to see them destroying our new greens was the last straw.  So you might be asking, "what is he going to do to them".  My answer would be "nothing".  For some amazing unbelievable reason I can't figure out, those walking **** are endangered species.  

So, does anyone here have any clue why they are considered endangered and what has to be done to get them off the list?   Isn't a basic qualifier for being an endangered species an inherent lack of that species???  There's MILLIONS OF THEM. 

Thanks

The Dude: This is a very complicated case, Maude. You know, a lotta ins, lotta outs, lotta what-have-you's. And, uh, lotta strands to keep in my head, man. Lotta strands in old Duder's head. Luckily I'm adhering to a pretty strict, uh, drug regimen to keep my mind, you know, limber.

Walter Sobchak: Nihilists! *uck me. I mean, say what you want about the tenets of National Socialism, Dude, at least it's an ethos. 

Cumming, GA

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  • canegger
    canegger Posts: 540
    We hunt them here up north(Canada). Not sure why they would be considered endangered there.
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  • danv23
    danv23 Posts: 953
    http://www.wildgoosechasers.com/law.php

    Canada Geese are protected under the Federal Migratory Bird Act of 1918 . This Act makes it illegal to harm or injure a goose and damage or move its eggs and nest, without a Federal permit. Not complying with the Federal Act can result in fines ranging from $5,000 to $10,000 and this also applies to an untrained dog’s actions.

    Each of these resident Canada Geese will eat 2-3 pounds of grass and deposit approximately 1-2 pounds of (potentially, disease and parasite contaminated) droppings every day. These geese become habituated to people -- live longer, begin reproducing younger and become more aggressive at nesting time than do migratory geese. The resident goose population is nearly doubling in size every five years.

    WTF!!!!

    The Dude: This is a very complicated case, Maude. You know, a lotta ins, lotta outs, lotta what-have-you's. And, uh, lotta strands to keep in my head, man. Lotta strands in old Duder's head. Luckily I'm adhering to a pretty strict, uh, drug regimen to keep my mind, you know, limber.

    Walter Sobchak: Nihilists! *uck me. I mean, say what you want about the tenets of National Socialism, Dude, at least it's an ethos. 

    Cumming, GA

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  • Skiddymarker
    Skiddymarker Posts: 8,522
    edited July 2013
    @Village_Idiot - LMAO - you do have your moments!
    We have ourselves to blame. Migratory Canada Geese have been hunted to almost extinction, that's why they are on the protected list. The resident geese ripping up your golf course are the result of man messing with nature and if anything there is way too many of them. Real geese migrate, so this time of year there should be none in your area. Problem is it is hard to tell which is which when on the ground.
    Years ago, live decoys were used to make hunting easier, decoys were tethered with clipped flight feathers. The resident geese on your course are the result of these bred to be local residents, they don't migrate. 
    Problem became so bad in Vancouver, conservation officers would shake (coddle) the eggs in the nests to limit the population. Didn't work that well - good luck!
    Delta B.C. - Whiskey and steak, because no good story ever started with someone having a salad!
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  • gerhardk
    gerhardk Posts: 942
    Wouldn't a higher fence at the border solve this problem?  Stricter passport controls or maybe visa requirements?

    Gerhard
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  • Spaightlabs
    Spaightlabs Posts: 2,349
    Skiddy - you are insane. There are millions of migratory Canada geese. I chase them from Peace River to the Quill Lakes, to NoDak, Sodak, CO, OK and Texas.
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  • tactical_66
    tactical_66 Posts: 207
    There are services that use Australian Sheppards or other types of dogs to scare the geese away. It works well and soon enough the geese do not return
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  • danv23
    danv23 Posts: 953

    tactical_66 said:
    There are services that use Australian Sheppards or other types of dogs to scare the geese away. It works well and soon enough the geese do not return
    But if the dog kills the goose (i gather that dog wouldn't based on your post) then the owner gets fined.  Amazing.

    The Dude: This is a very complicated case, Maude. You know, a lotta ins, lotta outs, lotta what-have-you's. And, uh, lotta strands to keep in my head, man. Lotta strands in old Duder's head. Luckily I'm adhering to a pretty strict, uh, drug regimen to keep my mind, you know, limber.

    Walter Sobchak: Nihilists! *uck me. I mean, say what you want about the tenets of National Socialism, Dude, at least it's an ethos. 

    Cumming, GA

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  • Skiddymarker
    Skiddymarker Posts: 8,522
    Spaightlabs said:
    Skiddy - you are insane. There are millions of migratory Canada geese. I chase them from Peace River to the Quill Lakes, to NoDak, Sodak, CO, OK and Texas.
    Not insane, just informed. The birds you speak of are western Canada Geese I think, not the re-introduced trouble causing Giant Canada Geese found mostly along the eastern seaboard (there are some as far west as Alberta) There are some resident birds along the BC coast, the weather is seldom cold enough to force them to seek warmer climes. 
    No question the overall population, migratory and resident, has grown to the extent they are becoming a nuisance. The reason they were/are protected is because in some areas they almost disappeared. 
    The OP is in GA, so the local geese are resident not migratory, the law makers just haven't caught up with the issue and considered appropriate solutions. 
    Most of my info comes from articles like: 

    Delta B.C. - Whiskey and steak, because no good story ever started with someone having a salad!
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  • Canugghead
    Canugghead Posts: 11,507
    edited July 2013
    golf course? how about the busiest highway in North America :D

    http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/news-video/video-family-of-geese-bring-hwy-401-to-standstill/article4217947/

    few years ago, on a smaller highway, a motorist was killed when he/she was rear ended after stopping for a flock!
    canuckland
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  • bo_mull
    bo_mull Posts: 363
    Skiddymarker said:
    Problem became so bad in Vancouver, conservation officers would shake (coddle) the eggs in the nests to limit the population. Didn't work that well - good luck!
    This action probably made Brain-Dead geese that lands in Georgia and eats golf course grass.
    =))

    Cleveland, TN.

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  • Gezr
    Gezr Posts: 154
    A local golf course has a border collie who is driven around by a handler and when they spot geese the dog charges them barking and they depart. He never catches them but the thrill of the chase is satisfying enough that he never loses interest. 
    Other courses have picked up on the idea and are using border collies as well. Not a word out of PETA or other groups since nobody gets hurt and it works.
    If you don't think too good, don't think too much.

    Afton, VA
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  • TexanOfTheNorth
    TexanOfTheNorth Posts: 3,951
    Canugghead said:
    golf course? how about the busiest highway in North America :D

    http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/news-video/video-family-of-geese-bring-hwy-401-to-standstill/article4217947/

    few years ago, on a smaller highway, a motorist was killed when he/she was rear ended after stopping for a flock!
    Can't even remember how may times I've had to wait for a flock of geese (or even a sinlge goose) to waddle across a road. They literally have no fear of the automobile!
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  • MJG
    MJG Posts: 598
    edited July 2013
    My course got a mated pair of hawks. They set up shop and nested. I have not seen a goose in years. Haven't seen any squirrels, or much else, either. The only thing that seems to bother the hawks are ravens.
    Large Big Green Egg in a nest. North Shore of Boston.
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  • tactical_66
    tactical_66 Posts: 207
    Geese Chasers and Geese Management are the two i have seen.  Seems to be effective.  I am sure there are similar services around the country.  When goose is in season my trusty hunting buddy Drake and I are out there helping control the population.  I will be doing a goose on the egg this year.  I always skin it first before cooking.
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  • daffy1909
    daffy1909 Posts: 498
    edited July 2013
    We have the same problem on our course and we also have a problem at our food shelters, no enuff food, seems like one solution for two problems! ~:>
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  • Spaightlabs
    Spaightlabs Posts: 2,349
    edited July 2013
    Tactical - Tuey and I along with some friends do our best to help out a couple of local sod farmers too. Used to be able to hunt a couple of gold courses, but too many lawyers and PETA folks around now. We put between 300 and 500 a year on the grill or into jerky/sausage/bacon per season. Like all wild game, you don't want to grill past med rare or it gets tough and gamely. At medium rare you'd be hard-pressed to find better eating. Goose is much-maligned as table fare, but it is every bit as good as puddle duck for eating if prepared well.
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  • danv23
    danv23 Posts: 953

    Spaightlabs said:
    Tactical - Tuey and I along with some friends do our best to help out a couple of local sod farmers too. Used to be able to hunt a couple of gold courses, but too many lawyers and PETA folks around now. We put between 300 and 500 a year on the grill or into jerky/sausage/bacon per season. Like all wild game, you don't want to grill past med rare or it gets tough and gamely. At medium rare you'd be hard-pressed to find better eating. Goose is much-maligned as table fare, but it is every bit as good as puddle duck for eating if prepared well.
    Excellent. Kill as many as you can.

    The Dude: This is a very complicated case, Maude. You know, a lotta ins, lotta outs, lotta what-have-you's. And, uh, lotta strands to keep in my head, man. Lotta strands in old Duder's head. Luckily I'm adhering to a pretty strict, uh, drug regimen to keep my mind, you know, limber.

    Walter Sobchak: Nihilists! *uck me. I mean, say what you want about the tenets of National Socialism, Dude, at least it's an ethos. 

    Cumming, GA

    Eggs - XL, L, Small

    Gasser - Weber Summit 6 Burner

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