Elect a Clown, Expect the Circus

JohnInCarolina

Lots of complaints about the pick for DOE Secretary, but I’m not too disappointed by it.  I think it could’ve been far worse.  

JohnInCarolina

lol this moron

JohnInCarolina

fishlessman

making clowns great again

JohnInCarolina

JohnInCarolina

Gaetz does seem just like Merrick Garland, except that he’s a Republican.  

JohnInCarolina

the clown show continues

DoubleEgger

JohnInCarolina said:

So why did the DOJ take a pass on indicting him? 

JohnInCarolina

DoubleEgger said:

JohnInCarolina said:

So why did the DOJ take a pass on indicting him? 

Well, maybe Garland is a Republican.

lousubcap

Lots of reasons why DOJ walked away from Gaetz, preponderance of " beyond a reasonable doubt" but close, and I offer the following:

"The federal sex trafficking investigation that began under Attorney General Bill Barr during Trump’s first term focused on allegations that Gaetz and onetime political ally Joel Greenberg paid underage girls and escorts or offered them gifts in exchange for sex.

Greenberg, a fellow Republican who served as the tax collector in Florida’s Seminole County, admitted as part of a plea deal with prosecutors in 2021 that he paid women and an underage girl to have sex with him and other men. The men were not identified in court documents when he pleaded guilty. Greenberg was sentenced in late 2022 to 11 years in prison.

Gaetz had remained under investigation by the House Ethics Committee over allegations that he was part of a scheme that led to the sex trafficking of a 17-year-old girl.

Federal investigators scrutinized a trip that Gaetz took to the Bahamas with a group of women and a doctor who donated to his campaign, and whether the women were paid or received gifts to have sex with the men, according to people familiar with the matter who were not allowed to publicly discuss the investigation. Prosecutors also investigated whether Gaetz and his associates tried to secure government jobs for some of the women, and scrutinized Gaetz’s connections to the medical marijuana sector, including whether his associates sought to influence legislation Gaetz sponsored, the people have said.

Gaetz had remained under investigation by the House Ethics Committee over allegations that he was part of a scheme that led to the sex trafficking of a 17-year-old girl.

The committee began its review of Gaetz in April 2021, deferred its work in response to a Justice Department request, and renewed its work shortly after Gaetz announced that the Justice Department had ended a sex trafficking investigation.

Over the summer, the committee provided an unusual public update into its long-running investigation, saying its review now includes whether Gaetz engaged in sexual misconduct and illicit drug use, accepted improper gifts and sought to obstruct government investigations of his conduct. Gaetz has categorically denied all the allegations before the committee.

Rep. Michael Guest, the Republican chair of the House Ethics Committee, had told The Associated Press that Gaetz’s nomination did not change the panel’s ongoing probe. But Gaetz’s resignation means the committee will no longer have jurisdiction to continue its probe."

JohnInCarolina

JohnInCarolina

I did not have "demon sperm lady lands government position" on my 2025 Trump Bingo card, but I probably should have.

fishlessman

netflix has a new cast for the next four years, the series continues

fishlessman

lousubcap said:

Lots of reasons why DOJ walked away from Gaetz, preponderance of " beyond a reasonable doubt" but close, and I offer the following:

"The federal sex trafficking investigation that began under Attorney General Bill Barr during Trump’s first term focused on allegations that Gaetz and onetime political ally Joel Greenberg paid underage girls and escorts or offered them gifts in exchange for sex.

Greenberg, a fellow Republican who served as the tax collector in Florida’s Seminole County, admitted as part of a plea deal with prosecutors in 2021 that he paid women and an underage girl to have sex with him and other men. The men were not identified in court documents when he pleaded guilty. Greenberg was sentenced in late 2022 to 11 years in prison.

Gaetz had remained under investigation by the House Ethics Committee over allegations that he was part of a scheme that led to the sex trafficking of a 17-year-old girl.

Federal investigators scrutinized a trip that Gaetz took to the Bahamas with a group of women and a doctor who donated to his campaign, and whether the women were paid or received gifts to have sex with the men, according to people familiar with the matter who were not allowed to publicly discuss the investigation. Prosecutors also investigated whether Gaetz and his associates tried to secure government jobs for some of the women, and scrutinized Gaetz’s connections to the medical marijuana sector, including whether his associates sought to influence legislation Gaetz sponsored, the people have said.

Gaetz had remained under investigation by the House Ethics Committee over allegations that he was part of a scheme that led to the sex trafficking of a 17-year-old girl.

The committee began its review of Gaetz in April 2021, deferred its work in response to a Justice Department request, and renewed its work shortly after Gaetz announced that the Justice Department had ended a sex trafficking investigation.

Over the summer, the committee provided an unusual public update into its long-running investigation, saying its review now includes whether Gaetz engaged in sexual misconduct and illicit drug use, accepted improper gifts and sought to obstruct government investigations of his conduct. Gaetz has categorically denied all the allegations before the committee.

Rep. Michael Guest, the Republican chair of the House Ethics Committee, had told The Associated Press that Gaetz’s nomination did not change the panel’s ongoing probe. But Gaetz’s resignation means the committee will no longer have jurisdiction to continue its probe."

gaetz seems to be smarter than he looks. nice loophole to get out of the ongoing probe

JohnInCarolina

fishlessman said:

lousubcap said:

Lots of reasons why DOJ walked away from Gaetz, preponderance of " beyond a reasonable doubt" but close, and I offer the following:

"The federal sex trafficking investigation that began under Attorney General Bill Barr during Trump’s first term focused on allegations that Gaetz and onetime political ally Joel Greenberg paid underage girls and escorts or offered them gifts in exchange for sex.

Greenberg, a fellow Republican who served as the tax collector in Florida’s Seminole County, admitted as part of a plea deal with prosecutors in 2021 that he paid women and an underage girl to have sex with him and other men. The men were not identified in court documents when he pleaded guilty. Greenberg was sentenced in late 2022 to 11 years in prison.

Gaetz had remained under investigation by the House Ethics Committee over allegations that he was part of a scheme that led to the sex trafficking of a 17-year-old girl.

Federal investigators scrutinized a trip that Gaetz took to the Bahamas with a group of women and a doctor who donated to his campaign, and whether the women were paid or received gifts to have sex with the men, according to people familiar with the matter who were not allowed to publicly discuss the investigation. Prosecutors also investigated whether Gaetz and his associates tried to secure government jobs for some of the women, and scrutinized Gaetz’s connections to the medical marijuana sector, including whether his associates sought to influence legislation Gaetz sponsored, the people have said.

Gaetz had remained under investigation by the House Ethics Committee over allegations that he was part of a scheme that led to the sex trafficking of a 17-year-old girl.

The committee began its review of Gaetz in April 2021, deferred its work in response to a Justice Department request, and renewed its work shortly after Gaetz announced that the Justice Department had ended a sex trafficking investigation.

Over the summer, the committee provided an unusual public update into its long-running investigation, saying its review now includes whether Gaetz engaged in sexual misconduct and illicit drug use, accepted improper gifts and sought to obstruct government investigations of his conduct. Gaetz has categorically denied all the allegations before the committee.

Rep. Michael Guest, the Republican chair of the House Ethics Committee, had told The Associated Press that Gaetz’s nomination did not change the panel’s ongoing probe. But Gaetz’s resignation means the committee will no longer have jurisdiction to continue its probe."

gaetz seems to be smarter than he looks. nice loophole to get out of the ongoing probe

Someone who has trafficked underage girls, paid for illicit sex using his adopted son’s paypal account, and despite this is slippery enough to avoid any legal consequences, really does seem like the perfect Attorney General for Trump.  It’s hard to imagine two men who have more in common. 

DoubleEgger

In lighter news, the pick for DOT secretary used to be on MTV’s Road Rules. 

fishlessman

JohnInCarolina said:

fishlessman said:

lousubcap said:

Lots of reasons why DOJ walked away from Gaetz, preponderance of " beyond a reasonable doubt" but close, and I offer the following:

"The federal sex trafficking investigation that began under Attorney General Bill Barr during Trump’s first term focused on allegations that Gaetz and onetime political ally Joel Greenberg paid underage girls and escorts or offered them gifts in exchange for sex.

Greenberg, a fellow Republican who served as the tax collector in Florida’s Seminole County, admitted as part of a plea deal with prosecutors in 2021 that he paid women and an underage girl to have sex with him and other men. The men were not identified in court documents when he pleaded guilty. Greenberg was sentenced in late 2022 to 11 years in prison.

Gaetz had remained under investigation by the House Ethics Committee over allegations that he was part of a scheme that led to the sex trafficking of a 17-year-old girl.

Federal investigators scrutinized a trip that Gaetz took to the Bahamas with a group of women and a doctor who donated to his campaign, and whether the women were paid or received gifts to have sex with the men, according to people familiar with the matter who were not allowed to publicly discuss the investigation. Prosecutors also investigated whether Gaetz and his associates tried to secure government jobs for some of the women, and scrutinized Gaetz’s connections to the medical marijuana sector, including whether his associates sought to influence legislation Gaetz sponsored, the people have said.

Gaetz had remained under investigation by the House Ethics Committee over allegations that he was part of a scheme that led to the sex trafficking of a 17-year-old girl.

The committee began its review of Gaetz in April 2021, deferred its work in response to a Justice Department request, and renewed its work shortly after Gaetz announced that the Justice Department had ended a sex trafficking investigation.

Over the summer, the committee provided an unusual public update into its long-running investigation, saying its review now includes whether Gaetz engaged in sexual misconduct and illicit drug use, accepted improper gifts and sought to obstruct government investigations of his conduct. Gaetz has categorically denied all the allegations before the committee.

Rep. Michael Guest, the Republican chair of the House Ethics Committee, had told The Associated Press that Gaetz’s nomination did not change the panel’s ongoing probe. But Gaetz’s resignation means the committee will no longer have jurisdiction to continue its probe."

gaetz seems to be smarter than he looks. nice loophole to get out of the ongoing probe

Someone who has trafficked underage girls, paid for illicit sex using his adopted son’s paypal account, and despite this is slippery enough to avoid any legal consequences, really does seem like the perfect Attorney General for Trump.  It’s hard to imagine two men who have more in common. 

i dont like the guy but it seems its allegations. paid illicit sex is more about a nothing burger that happens all the time. its odd theres just an allegation of sex trafficking a minor though.....no proof, just finger pointing. with gaetz that could come from both parties. im sure more will come out 

DoubleEgger

fishlessman said:

lousubcap said:

Lots of reasons why DOJ walked away from Gaetz, preponderance of " beyond a reasonable doubt" but close, and I offer the following:

"The federal sex trafficking investigation that began under Attorney General Bill Barr during Trump’s first term focused on allegations that Gaetz and onetime political ally Joel Greenberg paid underage girls and escorts or offered them gifts in exchange for sex.

Greenberg, a fellow Republican who served as the tax collector in Florida’s Seminole County, admitted as part of a plea deal with prosecutors in 2021 that he paid women and an underage girl to have sex with him and other men. The men were not identified in court documents when he pleaded guilty. Greenberg was sentenced in late 2022 to 11 years in prison.

Gaetz had remained under investigation by the House Ethics Committee over allegations that he was part of a scheme that led to the sex trafficking of a 17-year-old girl.

Federal investigators scrutinized a trip that Gaetz took to the Bahamas with a group of women and a doctor who donated to his campaign, and whether the women were paid or received gifts to have sex with the men, according to people familiar with the matter who were not allowed to publicly discuss the investigation. Prosecutors also investigated whether Gaetz and his associates tried to secure government jobs for some of the women, and scrutinized Gaetz’s connections to the medical marijuana sector, including whether his associates sought to influence legislation Gaetz sponsored, the people have said.

Gaetz had remained under investigation by the House Ethics Committee over allegations that he was part of a scheme that led to the sex trafficking of a 17-year-old girl.

The committee began its review of Gaetz in April 2021, deferred its work in response to a Justice Department request, and renewed its work shortly after Gaetz announced that the Justice Department had ended a sex trafficking investigation.

Over the summer, the committee provided an unusual public update into its long-running investigation, saying its review now includes whether Gaetz engaged in sexual misconduct and illicit drug use, accepted improper gifts and sought to obstruct government investigations of his conduct. Gaetz has categorically denied all the allegations before the committee.

Rep. Michael Guest, the Republican chair of the House Ethics Committee, had told The Associated Press that Gaetz’s nomination did not change the panel’s ongoing probe. But Gaetz’s resignation means the committee will no longer have jurisdiction to continue its probe."

gaetz seems to be smarter than he looks. nice loophole to get out of the ongoing probe

Gaetz wasn’t smart enough to realize that there is a 100% chance of the investigation brief being leaked. 

fishlessman

DoubleEgger said:

fishlessman said:

lousubcap said:

Lots of reasons why DOJ walked away from Gaetz, preponderance of " beyond a reasonable doubt" but close, and I offer the following:

"The federal sex trafficking investigation that began under Attorney General Bill Barr during Trump’s first term focused on allegations that Gaetz and onetime political ally Joel Greenberg paid underage girls and escorts or offered them gifts in exchange for sex.

Greenberg, a fellow Republican who served as the tax collector in Florida’s Seminole County, admitted as part of a plea deal with prosecutors in 2021 that he paid women and an underage girl to have sex with him and other men. The men were not identified in court documents when he pleaded guilty. Greenberg was sentenced in late 2022 to 11 years in prison.

Gaetz had remained under investigation by the House Ethics Committee over allegations that he was part of a scheme that led to the sex trafficking of a 17-year-old girl.

Federal investigators scrutinized a trip that Gaetz took to the Bahamas with a group of women and a doctor who donated to his campaign, and whether the women were paid or received gifts to have sex with the men, according to people familiar with the matter who were not allowed to publicly discuss the investigation. Prosecutors also investigated whether Gaetz and his associates tried to secure government jobs for some of the women, and scrutinized Gaetz’s connections to the medical marijuana sector, including whether his associates sought to influence legislation Gaetz sponsored, the people have said.

Gaetz had remained under investigation by the House Ethics Committee over allegations that he was part of a scheme that led to the sex trafficking of a 17-year-old girl.

The committee began its review of Gaetz in April 2021, deferred its work in response to a Justice Department request, and renewed its work shortly after Gaetz announced that the Justice Department had ended a sex trafficking investigation.

Over the summer, the committee provided an unusual public update into its long-running investigation, saying its review now includes whether Gaetz engaged in sexual misconduct and illicit drug use, accepted improper gifts and sought to obstruct government investigations of his conduct. Gaetz has categorically denied all the allegations before the committee.

Rep. Michael Guest, the Republican chair of the House Ethics Committee, had told The Associated Press that Gaetz’s nomination did not change the panel’s ongoing probe. But Gaetz’s resignation means the committee will no longer have jurisdiction to continue its probe."

gaetz seems to be smarter than he looks. nice loophole to get out of the ongoing probe

Gaetz wasn’t smart enough to realize that there is a 100% chance of the investigation brief being leaked. 

at this point im sure he knows most are not hanging on an investigation leak, its getting to the point that these political leaks amount to crying wolf. still he is hated by enough he wont be ag

JohnInCarolina

fishlessman said:

JohnInCarolina said:

fishlessman said:

lousubcap said:

Lots of reasons why DOJ walked away from Gaetz, preponderance of " beyond a reasonable doubt" but close, and I offer the following:

"The federal sex trafficking investigation that began under Attorney General Bill Barr during Trump’s first term focused on allegations that Gaetz and onetime political ally Joel Greenberg paid underage girls and escorts or offered them gifts in exchange for sex.

Greenberg, a fellow Republican who served as the tax collector in Florida’s Seminole County, admitted as part of a plea deal with prosecutors in 2021 that he paid women and an underage girl to have sex with him and other men. The men were not identified in court documents when he pleaded guilty. Greenberg was sentenced in late 2022 to 11 years in prison.

Gaetz had remained under investigation by the House Ethics Committee over allegations that he was part of a scheme that led to the sex trafficking of a 17-year-old girl.

Federal investigators scrutinized a trip that Gaetz took to the Bahamas with a group of women and a doctor who donated to his campaign, and whether the women were paid or received gifts to have sex with the men, according to people familiar with the matter who were not allowed to publicly discuss the investigation. Prosecutors also investigated whether Gaetz and his associates tried to secure government jobs for some of the women, and scrutinized Gaetz’s connections to the medical marijuana sector, including whether his associates sought to influence legislation Gaetz sponsored, the people have said.

Gaetz had remained under investigation by the House Ethics Committee over allegations that he was part of a scheme that led to the sex trafficking of a 17-year-old girl.

The committee began its review of Gaetz in April 2021, deferred its work in response to a Justice Department request, and renewed its work shortly after Gaetz announced that the Justice Department had ended a sex trafficking investigation.

Over the summer, the committee provided an unusual public update into its long-running investigation, saying its review now includes whether Gaetz engaged in sexual misconduct and illicit drug use, accepted improper gifts and sought to obstruct government investigations of his conduct. Gaetz has categorically denied all the allegations before the committee.

Rep. Michael Guest, the Republican chair of the House Ethics Committee, had told The Associated Press that Gaetz’s nomination did not change the panel’s ongoing probe. But Gaetz’s resignation means the committee will no longer have jurisdiction to continue its probe."

gaetz seems to be smarter than he looks. nice loophole to get out of the ongoing probe

Someone who has trafficked underage girls, paid for illicit sex using his adopted son’s paypal account, and despite this is slippery enough to avoid any legal consequences, really does seem like the perfect Attorney General for Trump.  It’s hard to imagine two men who have more in common. 

i dont like the guy but it seems its allegations. paid illicit sex is more about a nothing burger that happens all the time. 

Well, that is certainly one interpretation.

fishlessman

JohnInCarolina said:

fishlessman said:

JohnInCarolina said:

fishlessman said:

lousubcap said:

Lots of reasons why DOJ walked away from Gaetz, preponderance of " beyond a reasonable doubt" but close, and I offer the following:

"The federal sex trafficking investigation that began under Attorney General Bill Barr during Trump’s first term focused on allegations that Gaetz and onetime political ally Joel Greenberg paid underage girls and escorts or offered them gifts in exchange for sex.

Greenberg, a fellow Republican who served as the tax collector in Florida’s Seminole County, admitted as part of a plea deal with prosecutors in 2021 that he paid women and an underage girl to have sex with him and other men. The men were not identified in court documents when he pleaded guilty. Greenberg was sentenced in late 2022 to 11 years in prison.

Gaetz had remained under investigation by the House Ethics Committee over allegations that he was part of a scheme that led to the sex trafficking of a 17-year-old girl.

Federal investigators scrutinized a trip that Gaetz took to the Bahamas with a group of women and a doctor who donated to his campaign, and whether the women were paid or received gifts to have sex with the men, according to people familiar with the matter who were not allowed to publicly discuss the investigation. Prosecutors also investigated whether Gaetz and his associates tried to secure government jobs for some of the women, and scrutinized Gaetz’s connections to the medical marijuana sector, including whether his associates sought to influence legislation Gaetz sponsored, the people have said.

Gaetz had remained under investigation by the House Ethics Committee over allegations that he was part of a scheme that led to the sex trafficking of a 17-year-old girl.

The committee began its review of Gaetz in April 2021, deferred its work in response to a Justice Department request, and renewed its work shortly after Gaetz announced that the Justice Department had ended a sex trafficking investigation.

Over the summer, the committee provided an unusual public update into its long-running investigation, saying its review now includes whether Gaetz engaged in sexual misconduct and illicit drug use, accepted improper gifts and sought to obstruct government investigations of his conduct. Gaetz has categorically denied all the allegations before the committee.

Rep. Michael Guest, the Republican chair of the House Ethics Committee, had told The Associated Press that Gaetz’s nomination did not change the panel’s ongoing probe. But Gaetz’s resignation means the committee will no longer have jurisdiction to continue its probe."

gaetz seems to be smarter than he looks. nice loophole to get out of the ongoing probe

Someone who has trafficked underage girls, paid for illicit sex using his adopted son’s paypal account, and despite this is slippery enough to avoid any legal consequences, really does seem like the perfect Attorney General for Trump.  It’s hard to imagine two men who have more in common. 

i dont like the guy but it seems its allegations. paid illicit sex is more about a nothing burger that happens all the time. 

Well, that is certainly one interpretation.

just have to wonder, is illicit sex higher with politicians or with teachers

TheFishWhisperer

fishlessman said:

JohnInCarolina said:

fishlessman said:

JohnInCarolina said:

fishlessman said:

lousubcap said:

Lots of reasons why DOJ walked away from Gaetz, preponderance of " beyond a reasonable doubt" but close, and I offer the following:

"The federal sex trafficking investigation that began under Attorney General Bill Barr during Trump’s first term focused on allegations that Gaetz and onetime political ally Joel Greenberg paid underage girls and escorts or offered them gifts in exchange for sex.

Greenberg, a fellow Republican who served as the tax collector in Florida’s Seminole County, admitted as part of a plea deal with prosecutors in 2021 that he paid women and an underage girl to have sex with him and other men. The men were not identified in court documents when he pleaded guilty. Greenberg was sentenced in late 2022 to 11 years in prison.

Gaetz had remained under investigation by the House Ethics Committee over allegations that he was part of a scheme that led to the sex trafficking of a 17-year-old girl.

Federal investigators scrutinized a trip that Gaetz took to the Bahamas with a group of women and a doctor who donated to his campaign, and whether the women were paid or received gifts to have sex with the men, according to people familiar with the matter who were not allowed to publicly discuss the investigation. Prosecutors also investigated whether Gaetz and his associates tried to secure government jobs for some of the women, and scrutinized Gaetz’s connections to the medical marijuana sector, including whether his associates sought to influence legislation Gaetz sponsored, the people have said.

Gaetz had remained under investigation by the House Ethics Committee over allegations that he was part of a scheme that led to the sex trafficking of a 17-year-old girl.

The committee began its review of Gaetz in April 2021, deferred its work in response to a Justice Department request, and renewed its work shortly after Gaetz announced that the Justice Department had ended a sex trafficking investigation.

Over the summer, the committee provided an unusual public update into its long-running investigation, saying its review now includes whether Gaetz engaged in sexual misconduct and illicit drug use, accepted improper gifts and sought to obstruct government investigations of his conduct. Gaetz has categorically denied all the allegations before the committee.

Rep. Michael Guest, the Republican chair of the House Ethics Committee, had told The Associated Press that Gaetz’s nomination did not change the panel’s ongoing probe. But Gaetz’s resignation means the committee will no longer have jurisdiction to continue its probe."

gaetz seems to be smarter than he looks. nice loophole to get out of the ongoing probe

Someone who has trafficked underage girls, paid for illicit sex using his adopted son’s paypal account, and despite this is slippery enough to avoid any legal consequences, really does seem like the perfect Attorney General for Trump.  It’s hard to imagine two men who have more in common. 

i dont like the guy but it seems its allegations. paid illicit sex is more about a nothing burger that happens all the time. 

Well, that is certainly one interpretation.

just have to wonder, is illicit sex higher with politicians or with teachers

I haven’t had sex with anything that’s living (except my palm) in decades and so I just have to wonder about other people having sex.

JohnInCarolina

Not an easy read:

https://www.mediaite.com/politics/new-full-police-report-details-pete-hegseth-sexual-assault-allegation/

I know there are people who read this sort of thing and assume it’s all politics and whatnot, but it’s important to keep in mind that the police report was generated before Hegseth was being considered for a Trump cabinet position.