GMO's

Yno

JohnEggGio said:

I draw the line at six-legged chickens.

John Madden would go for a six legged turkey. He likes drumsticks. He had his chef make some up for Thanksgiving a few years back. I be a lot of people would cheer the idea.

nolaegghead

alaskanassasin

I miss John Madden.

Gulfcoastguy

I don’t plant gmo plants in my garden. Not for health reasons but for taste. GMO fruits and vegetables are bred for insect resistance, herbicide tolerance, thick easy to ship skins. Not what I want in a garden but on the other hand exactly what a farmer wants . We can’t feed 8 billion people using just the old ways. I will admit to occasionally planting hybrids but only occasionally.

fishlessman

so how does one know they are consuming gmo's, have not seen that on the ingredient list on my v8 juice or cerial box yet

butt_juice

@caliking The majority of the vegetables and fruits that my family consumes are from our own garden. We store them for use throughout the year, although some are hybrids, I don't believe they are considered GMO's and we do seed a lot of heirloom varieties. More heirloom than hybrids. I have more control over the sourcing and processing of our fruits and veggies than how we source our meat. Most comes from Kroger, which comes from all over the country. I assume that the majority goes through CAFO's which typically finish by feeding corn or distillers grain, which is more than likely genetically altered. 

I don't have a problem with GMO vegetables or fruits, but from what I know about our food choices, much of the fruits and veggies I consume are likely not considered GMO. I don't buy certified organic, or gluten free items...so much is a marketing ploy with a sh!t ton of big business money pushing it along, as others have stated. Maybe I'm wrong and the majority of the fruit and veggies that come from the supermarket are in-fact GMO. I guess I don't know enough about the supply chain to say for certain one way or the other. I do know about the varieties that I plant in our garden though and can speak to the accuracy of my thoughts about GMO/nonGMO fruits/veggies in our garden.

I do use permethrin a couple times/season on our garden though so maybe its all for nothing? Looking at investing in Guineas though for more natural method of bug control next season.

frazzdaddy

butt_juice said:

@caliking The majority of the vegetables and fruits that my family consumes are from our own garden. We store them for use throughout the year, although some are hybrids, I don't believe they are considered GMO's and we do seed a lot of heirloom varieties. More heirloom than hybrids. I have more control over the sourcing and processing of our fruits and veggies than how we source our meat. Most comes from Kroger, which comes from all over the country. I assume that the majority goes through CAFO's which typically finish by feeding corn or distillers grain, which is more than likely genetically altered. 

I don't have a problem with GMO vegetables or fruits, but from what I know about our food choices, much of the fruits and veggies I consume are likely not considered GMO. I don't buy certified organic, or gluten free items...so much is a marketing ploy with a sh!t ton of big business money pushing it along, as others have stated. Maybe I'm wrong and the majority of the fruit and veggies that come from the supermarket are in-fact GMO. I guess I don't know enough about the supply chain to say for certain one way or the other. I do know about the varieties that I plant in our garden though and can speak to the accuracy of my thoughts about GMO/nonGMO fruits/veggies in our garden.

I do use permethrin a couple times/season on our garden though so maybe its all for nothing? Looking at investing in Guineas though for more natural method of bug control next season.

Very noisy birds. I was a happy man the day I got rid of the last two.

alaskanassasin

Permethrin would disqualify your organic status 

alaskanassasin

And you would have to go chemical free in that location for three years to get it back!

alaskanassasin

I think you can use diatomaceous earth and be ok but not sure

fishlessman

frazzdaddy said:

butt_juice said:

@caliking The majority of the vegetables and fruits that my family consumes are from our own garden. We store them for use throughout the year, although some are hybrids, I don't believe they are considered GMO's and we do seed a lot of heirloom varieties. More heirloom than hybrids. I have more control over the sourcing and processing of our fruits and veggies than how we source our meat. Most comes from Kroger, which comes from all over the country. I assume that the majority goes through CAFO's which typically finish by feeding corn or distillers grain, which is more than likely genetically altered. 

I don't have a problem with GMO vegetables or fruits, but from what I know about our food choices, much of the fruits and veggies I consume are likely not considered GMO. I don't buy certified organic, or gluten free items...so much is a marketing ploy with a sh!t ton of big business money pushing it along, as others have stated. Maybe I'm wrong and the majority of the fruit and veggies that come from the supermarket are in-fact GMO. I guess I don't know enough about the supply chain to say for certain one way or the other. I do know about the varieties that I plant in our garden though and can speak to the accuracy of my thoughts about GMO/nonGMO fruits/veggies in our garden.

I do use permethrin a couple times/season on our garden though so maybe its all for nothing? Looking at investing in Guineas though for more natural method of bug control next season.

Very noisy birds. I was a happy man the day I got rid of the last two.

neighbor had those, better than a guard dog. even better, a hawk took them out

Kayak

@butt_juice there are only a few GMO vegetables and fruits currently available, and it's unlikely you can get them for growing at home. It would certainly spell it out on the package if so.

frazzdaddy

fishlessman said:

frazzdaddy said:

butt_juice said:

@caliking The majority of the vegetables and fruits that my family consumes are from our own garden. We store them for use throughout the year, although some are hybrids, I don't believe they are considered GMO's and we do seed a lot of heirloom varieties. More heirloom than hybrids. I have more control over the sourcing and processing of our fruits and veggies than how we source our meat. Most comes from Kroger, which comes from all over the country. I assume that the majority goes through CAFO's which typically finish by feeding corn or distillers grain, which is more than likely genetically altered. 

I don't have a problem with GMO vegetables or fruits, but from what I know about our food choices, much of the fruits and veggies I consume are likely not considered GMO. I don't buy certified organic, or gluten free items...so much is a marketing ploy with a sh!t ton of big business money pushing it along, as others have stated. Maybe I'm wrong and the majority of the fruit and veggies that come from the supermarket are in-fact GMO. I guess I don't know enough about the supply chain to say for certain one way or the other. I do know about the varieties that I plant in our garden though and can speak to the accuracy of my thoughts about GMO/nonGMO fruits/veggies in our garden.

I do use permethrin a couple times/season on our garden though so maybe its all for nothing? Looking at investing in Guineas though for more natural method of bug control next season.

Very noisy birds. I was a happy man the day I got rid of the last two.

neighbor had those, better than a guard dog. even better, a hawk took them out

Mine yacked constantly. My boxers and my wife hated them.

fishlessman

frazzdaddy said:

fishlessman said:

frazzdaddy said:

butt_juice said:

@caliking The majority of the vegetables and fruits that my family consumes are from our own garden. We store them for use throughout the year, although some are hybrids, I don't believe they are considered GMO's and we do seed a lot of heirloom varieties. More heirloom than hybrids. I have more control over the sourcing and processing of our fruits and veggies than how we source our meat. Most comes from Kroger, which comes from all over the country. I assume that the majority goes through CAFO's which typically finish by feeding corn or distillers grain, which is more than likely genetically altered. 

I don't have a problem with GMO vegetables or fruits, but from what I know about our food choices, much of the fruits and veggies I consume are likely not considered GMO. I don't buy certified organic, or gluten free items...so much is a marketing ploy with a sh!t ton of big business money pushing it along, as others have stated. Maybe I'm wrong and the majority of the fruit and veggies that come from the supermarket are in-fact GMO. I guess I don't know enough about the supply chain to say for certain one way or the other. I do know about the varieties that I plant in our garden though and can speak to the accuracy of my thoughts about GMO/nonGMO fruits/veggies in our garden.

I do use permethrin a couple times/season on our garden though so maybe its all for nothing? Looking at investing in Guineas though for more natural method of bug control next season.

Very noisy birds. I was a happy man the day I got rid of the last two.

neighbor had those, better than a guard dog. even better, a hawk took them out

Mine yacked constantly. My boxers and my wife hated them.

his used to sit right over the front door and do that. he raised bloodhounds, probably didnt hear it over the hounds

butt_juice

alaskanassasin said:

Permethrin would disqualify your organic status 

Correct, but I'm not trying to grow anything under an organic status, nor am I commercially selling produce. I believe the regulation for classifying a grown product as organic is that it has to be grown without the use of chemicals and the soil that it is grown from has to be chemical free for a minimum of 5 years prior to the production year. 

JohnInCarolina

I’ve read this entire thread and am still not clear on why GMOs might be a cause for concern.  

Legume

JohnInCarolina said:

I’ve read this entire thread and am still not clear on why GMOs might be a cause for concern.  

If only people had been equally concerned about trans fatty acids and high fructose corn syrup.

ColbyLang

Legume said:

JohnInCarolina said:

I’ve read this entire thread and am still not clear on why GMOs might be a cause for concern.  

If only people had been equally concerned about trans fatty acids and high fructose corn syrup.

Won’t argue with the Trans Fat Free status, but like anything else, HFCS is fine in moderation. Food manufacturers have come a long way in the last 10 years or so meeting new FDA guidelines. They aren’t just putting it in there solely for the cost

fishlessman

Legume said:

JohnInCarolina said:

I’ve read this entire thread and am still not clear on why GMOs might be a cause for concern.  

If only people had been equally concerned about trans fatty acids and high fructose corn syrup.

odds are that the corn syrup is a gmo product but for some strange reason its not, hmmmm....maybe money is involved

Legume

fishlessman said:

Legume said:

JohnInCarolina said:

I’ve read this entire thread and am still not clear on why GMOs might be a cause for concern.  

If only people had been equally concerned about trans fatty acids and high fructose corn syrup.

odds are that the corn syrup is a gmo product but for some strange reason its not, hmmmm....maybe money is involved

I don’t know the rules on that - it’s a derivative that won’t have any genetic material in it unlike whole grain or chunks of cow.  Maybe that’s where the line is, if it’s a meaningful one?

fishlessman

Legume said:

fishlessman said:

Legume said:

JohnInCarolina said:

I’ve read this entire thread and am still not clear on why GMOs might be a cause for concern.  

If only people had been equally concerned about trans fatty acids and high fructose corn syrup.

odds are that the corn syrup is a gmo product but for some strange reason its not, hmmmm....maybe money is involved

I don’t know the rules on that - it’s a derivative that won’t have any genetic material in it unlike whole grain or chunks of cow.  Maybe that’s where the line is, if it’s a meaningful one?

from what ive read on it before processing it makes it non gmo, even grinding corn into flour. smoke and mirrors

alaskanassasin

   I have grown non-gmo soybeans for years that were sold mostly to japan. For that non-gmo program I had to attend a yearly meeting, plant using 15’ setbacks, all fields are walked and inspected at bloom, clean out combine, carts and truck. At harvest when they probe at the elevator they can tell what variety bean you planted and I have seen many trucks turned away.
 
 There is no market around here for non-gmo corn, I have grown it but it gets dumped in the same bins as all the other corn.
  

 To my knowledge there is currently no genetically modified wheat grown in the US. But I will check with my agronomist to be sure.

alaskanassasin

He confirmed all wheat grown in the USA is non gmo. So should be your flour.

fishlessman

alaskanassasin said:

He confirmed all wheat grown in the USA is non gmo. So should be your flour.

so the corn flour is safe