Wow

Sardonicus

PlanSB said:

Some of you are really scared, must suck to live your life with such fear. If i were you i would not be worried about immigrant terrorists, the numbers say you shouod be more worried about domestic terrorism perpetrated by an american. 

Fear wins elections.  
Don't take my word for it.  Ask our President.

JohnInCarolina

I'm just surprised some of them don't wear tinfoil hats to jam the radio frequencies.  Oh wait...

blasting

JohnInCarolina said:

blasting said:

As far as the terrorists thinking we're silly... I'm guessing we are not quite as silly to them now that we have a president who can actually speak their name.

Do folks really believe this sort of thing?

I notice the question of why Pakistan was left off the ban was met with crickets.

Sorry John.  I don't pretend to know why Pakistan was left off.  I assume Trump assembled the list according to the intell available.

And yes, I believe the terrorists have some intelligent terrorists within their ranks.  I'm confident they can infer whether or not a president is making them a priority.

Most President's legacys can be debated either way.  I suspect this will not be the case with Trump.  He is either going to succeed YUGE, or implode in spectacular fashion.

PlanSB

These guys isis etc. love this nonsense and use this **** as propagandha to recruit more and more people. They want their holy war, christian vs islam, and these guys in office are playing right into it.

Muslims and brown people get associated with terrorism in this country, by a lot of people, because of they way the look and/or the religion they follow. Its ****.  Assimilating cultures and actually getting to know and interact with people who are different than you is when people realize that hey, we all arent really that much different at all. I just think we should all be more open, and understanding of others and dont let a few **** shape your whole opinion of a massive group.

JohnInCarolina

I'm sure the last thing that went through Bin Laden's head (well, next to last, just before the bullet) was "LOL this guy Barry can't even say radical Islam!"

Sardonicus

Saw these alternative facts . . .

A Data Scientist Explains Odds of Dying in a Terrorist Attack

By Zeeshan ul Hassan on October 15, 2015  -   Like us now!  

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Here come the daily headlines of Al-Qa’eda, Taliban, ISIS, and all the lone wolf attackers out there from Pakistan to Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Nigeria, France, Belgium, USA, Canada and list goes on and on.

Projected and orchestrated by media, sometime it seems “terrorism” is the only cause of unnatural death that we face. And lives of millions of travelers suffer due to this inevitable “threat”. There were 2.84 billion commercial air passengers in 2011 alone with only 373 fatalities, so one’s chance of dying in the commercial jet is 1 in 7.6 million.

With the emotion-less and analytical brain that I got, I wanted to put things in perspective. Statistically speaking, here are few odds of dying with the causes:

• Drowning in a Bathtub: 1 in 685,000
• Fatally Slipping during a Shower: 1 in 812,232
• Being Struck by Lightning: 1 in 576,000
• Being Murdered: 1 in 18,000
• Dying from any kind of Injury: 1 in 1,820
• Dying from intentional Self-harm: 1 in 9,380
• Dying from an Assault: 1 in 16,421
• Dying from a Car Accident: 1 in 18,585
• Dying from any kind of Fall: 1 in 20,666
• Dying from Accidental Drowning: 1 in 79,065
• Dying from Exposure to Smoke, Fire, and Flames: 1 in 81,524
• Dying from Forces of Nature (earthquake, heat, cold, lightning, flood): 1 in 225,107
• Dying from Choking on Food: 1 in 370,035
• Dying in a Fireworks Accident: 1 in 1,000,000
• Dying from a Dog Bite: 1 in 700,000
• Dying from Falling off a Ladder: 1 in 2,300,000
• Dying form unintentional Alcohol Poisoning: 1 in 820,217
• Dying from a Heart Disease: 1 in 5
• Dying from a Cancer: 1 in 7
• Dying from a Stroke: 1 in 23
• Dying from Electrocution: 1 in 5,000
• Bee, Snake Venomous Sting: 1 in 100,000
• Scalded by Hot Tap Water: 1 in 5,000,000
• By Falling Coconut: 1 in 250,000,000
• By a Shark Attack: 1 in 300,000,000
• Dying of a Snake Bite: 1 in 3,500,000
• Dying from Food Poisoning: 1 in 3,000,000
• Dying from Accident at Work: 1 in 43,500
• Dying in a Road Accident: 1 in 8,000

And odds of dying in a terrorist attack while on-board is 1 in 25,000,000 (25 million) and the overall average of dying in any kind of terrorist attack worldwide is 1 in 9,300,000 (9.3 million).

So in contrast, you are 14 times more likely to die in your bathtub than in a terrorist attack, 11 times more likely to die by slipping during a shower, 16 times by lightning, 517 times more likely to be murdered (there is on average one murder every 60 seconds worldwide), 991 times by self-injury, 500 times in a car accident (3,000 people die every day in road accidents worldwide), 450 times by falling, 118 times by accidental drowning, 41 times in natural disasters (earthquake, flood etc.), 25 times by choking on food, 13 times by a dog bite, 4 times by falling off a ladder, 1.8 million times by a heart disease, 1860 times by electrocution, 93 times by bee sting, and 3 times more likely to die by a snake bite or food poisoning.

If not convinced, here is another interesting set of statistics:

• Odds of being an astronaut: 1 in 13,200,000
• Odds of winning an Olympic Gold Medal: 1 in 662,000
• Odds of becoming a President: 1 in 10,000,000
• Odds of sighting a UFO today: 1 in 3,000,000
• Odds of dating a Supermodel: 1 in 88,000

So, you have twice the chances of becoming an astronaut then flying in a plane doomed to crash due to a terrorist plot, almost the same chances of becoming a president than dying in a terrorist attack (isn’t it ironic?), three times more likely to sight a UFO today, 14 times more likely to win a gold medal in the Olympics, and 106 times more chances of dating Kim Kardashian.

If you think this “dating” would never come, then stop fearing about terrorism and start enjoying your life.

https://www.techjuice.pk/a-data-scientist-explains-odds-of-dying-in-a-terrorist-attack/

Be careful out there!

  

  

bigbadben

Sardonicus said:

bigbadben said:

Sardonicus said:

blasting said:

 
. . .

The left . . .   The 9th circuit has opened the floodgates from the seven countries that Trump tried to stop.  The first attack by one of these immigrants, Trump will absolutely lay it (rightly so) at the feet of the dems.  . . .

That is an absolutely horrible interpretation!  As it would be horrid to blame President Bush and the Repubs for the 911 attacks.  There are other examples re other presidents.  

We know that there will be other attacks and/or attempts.  It doesn't matter who is President.  To get involved in pre-blaming is . . .

The terrorists enjoy our silliness re this, I'd bet.

Turkey, Saudi Arabia, UAE and Egypt are left off the travel ban. Not because the people in those countries love us, because Trump does business there. 

And if refugees/travelers from the places you've named perpetrate attacks, it won't be President Trump's fault.  Not individually.  
It may very well be because he/we insist on a zero-sum approach to that and every other problem we face.

Where were 9/11 hijackers from?  Or was that fake news too

blasting

I'm willing to admit Trump could implode spectacularly.

Are you willing to admit he could be a great president?

bigbadben

blasting said:

I'm willing to admit Trump could implode spectacularly.

Are you willing to admit he could be a great president?

On the current trajectory, no. Anti establishment, sure. Lies, selfish acts, discrimination, no way 

GATraveller

Islam is fighting a war against all non-believers......infidels.

Sardonicus

Bogeyman scary!

bigbadben

Did this thread get buffaloed?  I don't see it on the landing page. 

HeavyG

GATraveller said:

Islam is fighting a war against all non-believers......infidels.

Islam is not fighting a war.

Eoin

Sardonicus said:

Saw these alternative facts . . .

A Data Scientist Explains Odds of Dying in a Terrorist Attack

By Zeeshan ul Hassan on October 15, 2015  -   Like us now!  

Facebook902TwitterWhatsAppLinkedIn64

Here come the daily headlines of Al-Qa’eda, Taliban, ISIS, and all the lone wolf attackers out there from Pakistan to Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Nigeria, France, Belgium, USA, Canada and list goes on and on.

Projected and orchestrated by media, sometime it seems “terrorism” is the only cause of unnatural death that we face. And lives of millions of travelers suffer due to this inevitable “threat”. There were 2.84 billion commercial air passengers in 2011 alone with only 373 fatalities, so one’s chance of dying in the commercial jet is 1 in 7.6 million.

With the emotion-less and analytical brain that I got, I wanted to put things in perspective. Statistically speaking, here are few odds of dying with the causes:

• Drowning in a Bathtub: 1 in 685,000
• Fatally Slipping during a Shower: 1 in 812,232
• Being Struck by Lightning: 1 in 576,000
• Being Murdered: 1 in 18,000
• Dying from any kind of Injury: 1 in 1,820
• Dying from intentional Self-harm: 1 in 9,380
• Dying from an Assault: 1 in 16,421
• Dying from a Car Accident: 1 in 18,585
• Dying from any kind of Fall: 1 in 20,666
• Dying from Accidental Drowning: 1 in 79,065
• Dying from Exposure to Smoke, Fire, and Flames: 1 in 81,524
• Dying from Forces of Nature (earthquake, heat, cold, lightning, flood): 1 in 225,107
• Dying from Choking on Food: 1 in 370,035
• Dying in a Fireworks Accident: 1 in 1,000,000
• Dying from a Dog Bite: 1 in 700,000
• Dying from Falling off a Ladder: 1 in 2,300,000
• Dying form unintentional Alcohol Poisoning: 1 in 820,217
• Dying from a Heart Disease: 1 in 5
• Dying from a Cancer: 1 in 7
• Dying from a Stroke: 1 in 23
• Dying from Electrocution: 1 in 5,000
• Bee, Snake Venomous Sting: 1 in 100,000
• Scalded by Hot Tap Water: 1 in 5,000,000
• By Falling Coconut: 1 in 250,000,000
• By a Shark Attack: 1 in 300,000,000
• Dying of a Snake Bite: 1 in 3,500,000
• Dying from Food Poisoning: 1 in 3,000,000
• Dying from Accident at Work: 1 in 43,500
• Dying in a Road Accident: 1 in 8,000

And odds of dying in a terrorist attack while on-board is 1 in 25,000,000 (25 million) and the overall average of dying in any kind of terrorist attack worldwide is 1 in 9,300,000 (9.3 million).

So in contrast, you are 14 times more likely to die in your bathtub than in a terrorist attack, 11 times more likely to die by slipping during a shower, 16 times by lightning, 517 times more likely to be murdered (there is on average one murder every 60 seconds worldwide), 991 times by self-injury, 500 times in a car accident (3,000 people die every day in road accidents worldwide), 450 times by falling, 118 times by accidental drowning, 41 times in natural disasters (earthquake, flood etc.), 25 times by choking on food, 13 times by a dog bite, 4 times by falling off a ladder, 1.8 million times by a heart disease, 1860 times by electrocution, 93 times by bee sting, and 3 times more likely to die by a snake bite or food poisoning.

If not convinced, here is another interesting set of statistics:

• Odds of being an astronaut: 1 in 13,200,000
• Odds of winning an Olympic Gold Medal: 1 in 662,000
• Odds of becoming a President: 1 in 10,000,000
• Odds of sighting a UFO today: 1 in 3,000,000
• Odds of dating a Supermodel: 1 in 88,000

So, you have twice the chances of becoming an astronaut then flying in a plane doomed to crash due to a terrorist plot, almost the same chances of becoming a president than dying in a terrorist attack (isn’t it ironic?), three times more likely to sight a UFO today, 14 times more likely to win a gold medal in the Olympics, and 106 times more chances of dating Kim Kardashian.

If you think this “dating” would never come, then stop fearing about terrorism and start enjoying your life.

https://www.techjuice.pk/a-data-scientist-explains-odds-of-dying-in-a-terrorist-attack/

Be careful out there!

  

  

Quoting facts is a waste of time, this whole populist movement worldwide has nothing to do with facts and has everything to do with telling people what they would like to hear.

GATraveller

HeavyG said:

GATraveller said:

Islam is fighting a war against all non-believers......infidels.

Islam is not fighting a war.

HeavyG

Do you really not understand the difference between Islam and its 1.6 Billion believers and the actions of a few thousand violent Islamists?

JohnInCarolina

HeavyG said:

Do you really not understand the difference between Islam and its 1.6 Billion believers and the actions of a few thousand violent Islamists?

These are the same folks who voted for a guy who chased Obama's Kenyan birth certificate for five years.  Just sayin'

pgprescott

HeavyG said:

Do you really not understand the difference between Islam and its 1.6 Billion believers and the actions of a few thousand violent Islamists?

What is violent Islam? Haven't heard that term for eight years. Huh? Is that like workplace violence? 

Sardonicus

HeavyG said:

Do you really not understand the difference between Islam and its 1.6 Billion believers and the actions of a few thousand violent Islamists?

Doesn't understand or doesn't care.
It's easier to discriminate against 'em all than it is to discern who are the few.

Sardonicus

PlanSB said:

Some of you are really scared, must suck to live your life with such fear. If i were you i would not be worried about immigrant terrorists, the numbers say you shouod be more worried about domestic terrorism perpetrated by an american. 

Maybe it's fear.  Maybe.
(Ain't like we're living in the Home of the Brave or anything like that.)

OR  . . .
 . . . maybe it's just an excuse to exclude 'the other'.

Demagogues understand this. And use it.  
Some, quite effectively.

HeavyG

pgprescott said:

HeavyG said:

Do you really not understand the difference between Islam and its 1.6 Billion believers and the actions of a few thousand violent Islamists?

What is violent Islam? Haven't heard that term for eight years. Huh? Is that like workplace violence? 

You haven't heard that term from a US President for the eight years prior to Obama either:

"...George W. Bush also avoided the term “Radical Islam,” saying it’s a “longstanding U.S. policy.” Why? As Elliot Abrams, who served as deputy National Security Adviser to George W. Bush told Eli Lake, “We were invading two Muslim countries, and we were being accused of being at war with Islam. So the administration wanted to make it very clear that we are not at war with Islam and every Muslim in the world.”


I'm not a US President so I will use the term "violent Islamists" just as I'll also use the term "violent Christianists".

Obama was right to use the term "violent extremists" tho as it covers all the various groups that engage in acts of terror - https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2015/02/obama-violent-extremism-radical-islam/385700/

pgprescott

HeavyG said:

pgprescott said:

HeavyG said:

Do you really not understand the difference between Islam and its 1.6 Billion believers and the actions of a few thousand violent Islamists?

What is violent Islam? Haven't heard that term for eight years. Huh? Is that like workplace violence? 

You haven't heard that term from a US President for the eight years prior to Obama either:

"...George W. Bush also avoided the term “Radical Islam,” saying it’s a “longstanding U.S. policy.” Why? As Elliot Abrams, who served as deputy National Security Adviser to George W. Bush told Eli Lake, “We were invading two Muslim countries, and we were being accused of being at war with Islam. So the administration wanted to make it very clear that we are not at war with Islam and every Muslim in the world.”


I'm not a US President so I will use the term "violent Islamists" just as I'll also use the term "violent Christianists".

Obama was right to use the term "violent extremists" tho as it covers all the various groups that engage in acts of terror - https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2015/02/obama-violent-extremism-radical-islam/385700/

This is backward thinking imo. They both were not at war with Islam. However, no matter what they did, the propagandist are going to say they are. It is best to do and say the right thing, the truth! It is stupid and weak to do otherwise. Bush or Obama. 

fishlessman

Sardonicus said:

blasting said:

 
Of course there is bleed over from one admin to the next.  That said, I think this will be pretty clear - I don't think it will even be in question.  Very soon the left won't want to talk about economics.

. . .

And why wouldn't "the left" want to talk about economics?  Once President Trump lowers the inherited 4.8% employment rate and increases the inherited almost 20,000 pt DJIA even further, there will be elements to emulate and elements in need of rejection.  
Unless Trump proves to be perfect - something not achieved by any POTUS - there'll be something to talk about.

As an aside:
(Maybe on another un-sunken thread, someone will calmly, rationally, and hatelessly define the oft-used term, "the left".)
Or not.

Whatever.
  

im not good with politics so ill let these guys describe the lefty libs

Charles J. Sykes says of white liberals,

A central tenet of modern liberalism...is the unshakeable conviction that white America is deeply and irredeemably racist. For three decades, America's white liberals have invested in the belief that America is so incapable of racial fairness that society needs a panoply of laws, preferences, quotas, set-asides, and remedial programs to ensure that black people are treated fairly.

All of those policies are fundamentally based on the belief that America is deeply racist, that their fellow Americans are personally biased and institutionally prejudiced - consciously and unconsciously, intentionally and structurally; racist in history and practice.

Ref. http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/01/barack_obamas_race_problem_whi.html.

Malcolm X on White Liberals:

In this deceitful American game of power politics, the Negroes are nothing but tools, used by one group of whites called Liberals against another group of whites called Conservatives, either to get into power or to remain in power...The whites who are now struggling for control of the American political throne are divided into "liberal" and "conservative" camps...

The white liberal differs from the white conservative only in one way: the liberal is more deceitful than the conservative. The liberal is more hypocritical than the conservative...the white liberal is able to use the Negro as a pawn or tool in this political "football game" that is constantly raging between the white liberals and white conservatives.

Ref. An excerpt from a 1963 speech by Bro. Malcolm X entitled "God's Judgment of White America."

To quote Thomas Sowell's "Black Rednecks and White Liberals,"

"By cheering on counterproductive attitudes, making excuses for self-defeating behavior, and promoting the belief that 'racism' accounts for most of blacks' problems, white intellectuals serve their own psychic, ideological, and political interests. They are the kinds of friends who can do more harm than enemies."

See The Condition of American Education 2008: It's about race. This explains why minorities that liberals/Progressives can't educate are the problem behind test score declines.

Summery of this page, Liberals or Progressives control most of the public education in this country. They fail minority children who were once capable of learning, but now under the control of socialists and their absurd "theories" and politics are being reduced to a permanent underclass.

The simple fact is the far left dominates college campuses, conservatives in particular Christians, working class whites, etc. face massive hostility if even allowed on campus at all. Censorship and a fascist atmosphere crushes debate.

HeavyG

Gotta love it when a right winger quotes Malcolm X to support one of their notions.

fishlessman

HeavyG said:

Gotta love it when a right winger quotes Malcolm X to support one of their notions.

he really knew his stuff when it came to lefty libs