Wow

pgprescott

bigbadben said:

What does the appearance or even political actions have to do with the president and his staff LIEING?  

Gee the First Lady looks xxxxxx.  Wait that is so much more important than the POTUS making up facts. 

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2013/dec/12/lie-year-if-you-like-your-health-care-plan-keep-it/

http://dailycaller.com/2016/04/14/new-documents-prove-hillary-told-conflicting-stories-about-benghazi-video/

http://dailycaller.com/2014/04/29/yes-the-white-house-did-tell-susan-rice-to-lie-about-benghazi/

http://www.politifact.com/personalities/barack-obama/statements/byruling/false/



Nothing at all. 

JohnInCarolina

blasting said:

JohnInCarolina said:

I tend to agree with the sentiment that First Ladys should be off-limits.  Kids of the first family as well.  

Agreed... until they inject themselves.  Melania has stayed clear so far.  Michelle got political immediately.

Obama's kids, and Trump's two youngest should be off limits.  Trump's oldest three are fair game though.

Comments on policy are certainly fair when it comes to Michelle.  Comments on her looks are something  else entirely.

pgprescott

blasting said:

JohnInCarolina said:

I tend to agree with the sentiment that First Ladys should be off-limits.  Kids of the first family as well.  

Agreed... until they inject themselves.  Melania has stayed clear so far.  Michelle got political immediately.

Obama's kids, and Trump's two youngest should be off limits.  Trump's oldest three are fair game though.

The oldest Obama child is participating in political protests. Kinda opens herself up to criticism (which she won't receive). I personally could care less though. It doesn't interest me as it is nothing more than schoolyard BS.

pgprescott

JohnInCarolina said:

blasting said:

JohnInCarolina said:

I tend to agree with the sentiment that First Ladys should be off-limits.  Kids of the first family as well.  

Agreed... until they inject themselves.  Melania has stayed clear so far.  Michelle got political immediately.

Obama's kids, and Trump's two youngest should be off limits.  Trump's oldest three are fair game though.

Comments on policy are certainly fair when it comes to Michelle.  Comments on her looks are something  else entirely.

Except the extended campaign by the MSM to tell us how classy, beautiful and stylish she is has been underway for years now. I am surprised she hasn't won a fashion award like Barack's Nobel prize. Otherwise I totally agree. She was blasted early on for her in-artful, hateful comments and went away for 5-6 years. They have rehabilitated her image in the down time. She's very much like The Donald, she needs a muzzle too.

JohnInCarolina

More fake news, obviously:

blasting

PlanSB said:

blasting said:

PlanSB said:

Michelle is a pretty woman 

If you are one to judge, how about you post a pic of your lady?

I'm the last to judge, until something is jammed down my throat.

 Since I have been told for more than eight years how beautiful and fashionable she is, it's pretty hard to not notice that she has the perfect face for radio.

JohnInCarolina

Y'all expose yourselves with this kind of stuff.

blasting

Sardonicus said:

I'd bet that he values his wife for who she is and what she has accomplished more than what she looks like!

First, I am a bachelor, so ...  

Second, if you feel that way, then why the attacks on Mrs. Trump?  Not only is she very bright, but she has admirably put raising her young son above all else.

pgprescott

JohnInCarolina said:

Y'all expose yourselves with this kind of stuff.

Agreed, but really, really rich coming from you John. Really Rich!

JohnInCarolina

blasting said:

Sardonicus said:

I'd bet that he values his wife for who she is and what she has accomplished more than what she looks like!

First, I am a bachelor, so ...  

Second, if you feel that way, then why the attacks on Mrs. Trump?  Not only is she very bright, but she has admirably put raising her young son above all else.

Why does it matter how smart she is or isn't?  I really don't think it does, although I'm curious to hear what evidence there is to support that contention.  She certainly could be, I just haven't heard anything.

I certainly admire her priorities, I just wish they weren't costing taxpayers an extra $30M a month.

pgprescott

JohnInCarolina said:

blasting said:

Sardonicus said:

I'd bet that he values his wife for who she is and what she has accomplished more than what she looks like!

First, I am a bachelor, so ...  

Second, if you feel that way, then why the attacks on Mrs. Trump?  Not only is she very bright, but she has admirably put raising her young son above all else.

Why does it matter how smart she is or isn't?  I really don't think it does, although I'm curious to hear what evidence there is to support that contention.  She certainly could be, I just haven't heard anything.

I certainly admire her priorities, I just wish it wasn't costing taxpayers an extra $30M a month.

Oh, the concern about travel costs??? Just stop it, you're embarrassing yourself.

blasting

JohnInCarolina said:

blasting said:

Sardonicus said:

I'd bet that he values his wife for who she is and what she has accomplished more than what she looks like!

First, I am a bachelor, so ...  

Second, if you feel that way, then why the attacks on Mrs. Trump?  Not only is she very bright, but she has admirably put raising her young son above all else.

Why does it matter how smart she is or isn't?  I really don't think it does, although I'm curious to hear what evidence there is to support that contention.  She certainly could be, I just haven't heard anything.

I certainly admire her priorities, I just wish they weren't costing taxpayers an extra $30M a month.

My contention that she is smart is only based on a few interviews and hearing that she speaks a bunch of languages.  I could be wrong.  She doesn't crave the spotlight, and I admire that about her.  

I share your thoughts on the additional $.  However, you must admit that Obama / Biden played pretty fast and loose with the taxpayers wallet.  (in terms of personal perks).  How much did that last Hawaii vacay cost, and why was it needed just 2 weeks prior to retirement?

JohnInCarolina

blasting said:

JohnInCarolina said:

blasting said:

Sardonicus said:

I'd bet that he values his wife for who she is and what she has accomplished more than what she looks like!

First, I am a bachelor, so ...  

Second, if you feel that way, then why the attacks on Mrs. Trump?  Not only is she very bright, but she has admirably put raising her young son above all else.

Why does it matter how smart she is or isn't?  I really don't think it does, although I'm curious to hear what evidence there is to support that contention.  She certainly could be, I just haven't heard anything.

I certainly admire her priorities, I just wish they weren't costing taxpayers an extra $30M a month.

My contention that she is smart is only based on a few interviews and hearing that she speaks a bunch of languages.  I could be wrong.  She doesn't crave the spotlight, and I admire that about her.  

I share your thoughts on the additional $.  However, you must admit that Obama / Biden played pretty fast and loose with the taxpayers wallet.  (in terms of personal perks).  How much did that last Hawaii vacay cost, and why was it needed just 2 weeks prior to retirement?

Speaking multiple languages is more a reflection of upbringing than anything else.  It's unusual for people in the US, much less so for Europe.  

Mostly I was commenting on the cost associated with her and Barron staying in Trump Tower instead of moving to DC.  It's costing around $1M a day, and it's largely a cost that's avoidable.  That and the other costs the entire family are accruing are rapidly surpassing anything the last administration did.  See here:

http://www.businessinsider.com/cost-of-protecting-trump-secret-service-2017-2

blasting

I agree John, that is an unnecessary expense.  In eight years we'll be able to look at plenty of indicators to see which president has done more for our country.

I could be wrong, but if I was Obama, I'd be a little nervous to have my results listed right next to #45.  We'll see though, right?

JohnInCarolina

blasting said:

I agree John, that is an unnecessary expense.  In eight years we'll be able to look at plenty of indicators to see which president has done more for our country.

I could be wrong, but if I was Obama, I'd be a little nervous to have my results listed right next to #45.  We'll see though, right?

Yeah.  I'm sure Obama's very worried:

pgprescott

JohnInCarolina said:

blasting said:

I agree John, that is an unnecessary expense.  In eight years we'll be able to look at plenty of indicators to see which president has done more for our country.

I could be wrong, but if I was Obama, I'd be a little nervous to have my results listed right next to #45.  We'll see though, right?

Yeah.  I'm sure Obama's very worried:

McDonald's has seen great growth! Nice!

GATraveller

Obama's Legacy

blasting

Common John, you're not really quoting Obama's job numbers with a straight face, are you?

Real apples to apples numbers will tell the whole story.  Trump will embarrass Obama, or himself.  We shall see, but no doubt it will be interesting.


  

Ozzie_Isaac

blasting said:

JohnInCarolina said:

blasting said:

Sardonicus said:

I'd bet that he values his wife for who she is and what she has accomplished more than what she looks like!

First, I am a bachelor, so ...  

Second, if you feel that way, then why the attacks on Mrs. Trump?  Not only is she very bright, but she has admirably put raising her young son above all else.

Why does it matter how smart she is or isn't?  I really don't think it does, although I'm curious to hear what evidence there is to support that contention.  She certainly could be, I just haven't heard anything.

I certainly admire her priorities, I just wish they weren't costing taxpayers an extra $30M a month.

My contention that she is smart is only based on a few interviews and hearing that she speaks a bunch of languages.  I could be wrong.  She doesn't crave the spotlight, and I admire that about her.  

I share your thoughts on the additional $.  However, you must admit that Obama / Biden played pretty fast and loose with the taxpayers wallet.  (in terms of personal perks).  How much did that last Hawaii vacay cost, and why was it needed just 2 weeks prior to retirement?

Didn't Biden force the Secret Service to pay rent at his house?  Seem to remember something about that.

Legume

I hate the suddenly amped-up cost of protection as well, but in the big picture I think it's fair as we wouldn't want something to happen that could give some organization or foreign nation leverage over him and compromise his attention or decision making.  

JohnInCarolina

blasting said:

Common John, you're not really quoting Obama's job numbers with a straight face, are you?

Real apples to apples numbers will tell the whole story.  Trump will embarrass Obama, or himself.  We shall see, but no doubt it will be interesting.

What would the real "apples to apples numbers" be, in your view?  

JohnInCarolina

Legume said:

I hate the suddenly amped-up cost of protection as well, but in the big picture I think it's fair as we wouldn't want something to happen that could give some organization or foreign nation leverage over him and compromise his attention or decision making.  

Of course.  But normally the first family - particularly the FLOTUS and any young children - relocate to DC and the White House.  That's what we should all expect, because the alternative is incredibly expensive.  

pgprescott

Ozzie_Isaac said:

blasting said:

JohnInCarolina said:

blasting said:

Sardonicus said:

I'd bet that he values his wife for who she is and what she has accomplished more than what she looks like!

First, I am a bachelor, so ...  

Second, if you feel that way, then why the attacks on Mrs. Trump?  Not only is she very bright, but she has admirably put raising her young son above all else.

Why does it matter how smart she is or isn't?  I really don't think it does, although I'm curious to hear what evidence there is to support that contention.  She certainly could be, I just haven't heard anything.

I certainly admire her priorities, I just wish they weren't costing taxpayers an extra $30M a month.

My contention that she is smart is only based on a few interviews and hearing that she speaks a bunch of languages.  I could be wrong.  She doesn't crave the spotlight, and I admire that about her.  

I share your thoughts on the additional $.  However, you must admit that Obama / Biden played pretty fast and loose with the taxpayers wallet.  (in terms of personal perks).  How much did that last Hawaii vacay cost, and why was it needed just 2 weeks prior to retirement?

Didn't Biden force the Secret Service to pay rent at his house?  Seem to remember something about that.

The Fake News doesn't report negative stories about liberals with the possible exception of trying to put an end to a line of questions or doubts so they can move on to "new news".

How many times did you here old news out of them as an excuse for not investigating or reporting? The Russia stuff would be "old news" if it were a liberal.

fishlessman

JohnInCarolina said:

Legume said:

I hate the suddenly amped-up cost of protection as well, but in the big picture I think it's fair as we wouldn't want something to happen that could give some organization or foreign nation leverage over him and compromise his attention or decision making.  

Of course.  But normally the first family - particularly the FLOTUS and any young children - relocate to DC and the White House.  That's what we should all expect, because the alternative is incredibly expensive.  

why we would we expect her to downgrade her residence

JohnInCarolina

fishlessman said:

JohnInCarolina said:

Legume said:

I hate the suddenly amped-up cost of protection as well, but in the big picture I think it's fair as we wouldn't want something to happen that could give some organization or foreign nation leverage over him and compromise his attention or decision making.  

Of course.  But normally the first family - particularly the FLOTUS and any young children - relocate to DC and the White House.  That's what we should all expect, because the alternative is incredibly expensive.  

why we would we expect her to downgrade her residence

Well, when the taxpayers are footing the bill, I guess we shouldn't expect it, not from the Trumps at least!

JohnInCarolina

Food for thought:

http://foreignpolicy.com/2017/02/17/what-trump-didnt-get-about-harward-a-lot-of-what-makes-a-special-operator-tick/

fishlessman

JohnInCarolina said:

fishlessman said:

JohnInCarolina said:

Legume said:

I hate the suddenly amped-up cost of protection as well, but in the big picture I think it's fair as we wouldn't want something to happen that could give some organization or foreign nation leverage over him and compromise his attention or decision making.  

Of course.  But normally the first family - particularly the FLOTUS and any young children - relocate to DC and the White House.  That's what we should all expect, because the alternative is incredibly expensive.  

why we would we expect her to downgrade her residence

Well, when the taxpayers are footing the bill, I guess we shouldn't expect it, not from the Trumps at least!

its a free country, if she does not want to play first lady, you cant force her you're almost sounding republican with the taxpayers statement, far right....did you roll a hummer this week too...hit your head

blasting

JohnInCarolina said:

blasting said:

Common John, you're not really quoting Obama's job numbers with a straight face, are you?

Real apples to apples numbers will tell the whole story.  Trump will embarrass Obama, or himself.  We shall see, but no doubt it will be interesting.

What would the real "apples to apples numbers" be, in your view?  

There are many.  Gdp and # of americans receiving entitlements would be a good start.  The jobs number is a good one, but how that number was altered and needs to be measured consistently from president to president.  I hate fuzzy math.   Trump is guilty of it, just as obama was.

https://dailyreckoning.com/top-10-market-indicators-of-economic-development/

fishlessman

gone for the weekend

Sardonicus

blasting said:

Sardonicus said:

I'd bet that he values his wife for who she is and what she has accomplished more than what she looks like!

First, I am a bachelor, so ...  

Second, if you feel that way, then why the attacks on Mrs. Trump?  Not only is she very bright, but she has admirably put raising her young son above all else.

At the time of my comment, comparing "trophy wives' with "accomplished professionals' was not intended as an attack on Ms. Trump but as a rebuttal to several puerile attacks on Ms. Obama.

Looking back - you're right.  I could've/should've rephrased.