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OT - Engineering
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fishlessman said:most of my machines are ww2 era, big horizontal boring machines, vtl lathes etc, not many under 50 can actually run them
let alone repair them. i do have a cnc mazac in house, seems thats what the younger guys want to run
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nolaegghead said:Maybe if you made your employee benefits package a little sweeter (zero deductable health insurance, matching 401, etc.)
you could attract a some more professional employees.....or just hire from overseas...and risk Trump climbing up yo ass..
free pizza if you stay wednesday night and practice welding and get paid, teacher included. used to have free beer on friday nights after work, but that had to end. right now most are on a straight path but those are the ones that survived the 70's and 80's. welders used to be out of control, drugs, spear throwing, fired one and within a month he was stabbed in a bad area of town at 2am in the morning with a competitors welding truck parked next to his dead body. fired another who later drove said competitors welding truck thru the glass windows into a hotel lobby. that spear chucker injun joe threw a spear at the cook in the local diner. had one take a tire iron at a state cop(big reason we stopped beer fridays)
caught one stealing gas on a company card for heroine, left in cuffs, last thing he said while getting hauled out the door; do i still have a job, all kinds of tools were missing during that hire
secretary stole 160k, got that back thank god. could keep posting, i have a wall of shame on the bulletin board, whole bunch we still talk about and wonder if they are still breathing
i know i dont see the big picture, its only a 6 to 10 man cave i work in.
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Acn said:This would be a great idea if schools and teachers weren't judged overwhelmingly on the basis of student results on standardized reading and math tests. Since that is what they are judged on, schools teach reading and math - if science/social studies/arts/etc can be shoehorned into reading or math, great. If not, at least they'll know how to take a standardized test.
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nolaegghead said:I'm a decent welder, but would hate to do it for a living. I have a buddy that might just be the most talented technical welder in the city. Learned welding exotics at Martin Marietta or some place like that. Unfortunately, he's a completely off-the-grid guy. Burner phone, works exclusively out of the shop in his back yard. All the motorcycle people go to him for custom swing arm fabrication and titanium welds.
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fishlessman said:insurance here has always been 100 percent paid by the company. 401k was matched which was easy, no one put a dime into it. take a class at the community college and its paid for if you get a c or better
free pizza if you stay wednesday night and practice welding and get paid, teacher included. used to have free beer on friday nights after work, but that had to end. right now most are on a straight path but those are the ones that survived the 70's and 80's. welders used to be out of control, drugs, spear throwing, fired one and within a month he was stabbed in a bad area of town at 2am in the morning with a competitors welding truck parked next to his dead body. fired another who later drove said competitors welding truck thru the glass windows into a hotel lobby. that spear chucker injun joe threw a spear at the cook in the local diner. had one take a tire iron at a state cop(big reason we stopped beer fridays)
caught one stealing gas on a company card for heroine, left in cuffs, last thing he said while getting hauled out the door; do i still have a job, all kinds of tools were missing during that hire
secretary stole 160k, got that back thank god. could keep posting, i have a wall of shame on the bulletin board, whole bunch we still talk about and wonder if they are still breathing
i know i dont see the big picture, its only a 6 to 10 man cave i work in.
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fishlessman said:insurance here has always been 100 percent paid by the company. 401k was matched which was easy, no one put a dime into it. take a class at the community college and its paid for if you get a c or better
free pizza if you stay wednesday night and practice welding and get paid, teacher included. used to have free beer on friday nights after work, but that had to end. right now most are on a straight path but those are the ones that survived the 70's and 80's. welders used to be out of control, drugs, spear throwing, fired one and within a month he was stabbed in a bad area of town at 2am in the morning with a competitors welding truck parked next to his dead body. fired another who later drove said competitors welding truck thru the glass windows into a hotel lobby. that spear chucker injun joe threw a spear at the cook in the local diner. had one take a tire iron at a state cop(big reason we stopped beer fridays)
caught one stealing gas on a company card for heroine, left in cuffs, last thing he said while getting hauled out the door; do i still have a job, all kinds of tools were missing during that hire
secretary stole 160k, got that back thank god. could keep posting, i have a wall of shame on the bulletin board, whole bunch we still talk about and wonder if they are still breathing
i know i dont see the big picture, its only a 6 to 10 man cave i work in.
Some companies hire ex-cons, seems like you're getting the pre-cons.
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nolaegghead said:I'm a decent welder, but would hate to do it for a living. I have a buddy that might just be the most talented technical welder in the city. Learned welding exotics at Martin Marietta or some place like that. Unfortunately, he's a completely off-the-grid guy. Burner phone, works exclusively out of the shop in his back yard. All the motorcycle people go to him for custom swing arm fabrication and titanium welds.fukahwee maineyou can lead a fish to water but you can not make him drink it
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fishlessman said:we have a guy like that, best welder ive ever seen. he brings in race car parts and works on them after work and weekends. high school diploma and he doesnt have to ask me geometry problems and force reactions, pretty much designs his own suspensions now, his team has overall first place the last couple years. temperamental bastard
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My oldest son is in his third year of a four year (mechanical) eng program. His marks are middle/high. He has phenomenal social skills (good genes!..ha) and middle road aptitude for hands on stuff. In an effort to improve his marketability, he is part of an off-road vehicle club (faculty of eng sponsored) that is fabricating specialized vehicles for nation wide competitions. He's learning quickly all the things that everyone on here is referring to. How to work in the trenches, how to weld, turn a wrench, problem solve. When he's home in the summers, we maintain our vehicles, fix small engines, do chores, etc.
His desire is to secure an internship at the end of his 3rd year, work for 18 months, and then finish off his 4th year after the work experience concludes. Ideally, he'll be positioned to resume work as a bonafide (in training) engineer with his internship company once he graduates.
Trouble is...many of the available internships are being granted to the 4.0 GPA (top tier) students. Many of these students are book smart, but couldn't find their azz with a map and compass. Absolutely zero social skills and no personality. (My son is good friends with many!)
Competition these days is fierce. GPA/marks/results are being held in higher regard than aptitude. Everyone is complaining that tomorrow's generation don't have the needed skills...but in OUR reality, no one is giving the students that have these very skills the chance to move forward.
I'm sure he'll find someone to give him and his 3.6 GPA a chance...but it won't be the most sought after companies....and in the meantime, going straight into his 4th year (after a summer of working at the golf course again) is always an option. Of course then he'll have even less experience...
Slippery slope.Large BGE
MMax BGE
Weber gasser
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GPA mostly matters when you're starting out. Once you build up experience, it's much less important - the previous body of work in a resume is really scrutinized for senior level positions. Of course a crappy GPA can haunt you, or turn you into a bargain, like an undrafted player that turns into a gem.
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nolaegghead said:My buddy likes to do kinetic art too. I have one of his pieces, he needed some quick cash so I got it (relatively) cheap. Here's some of his stuff. http://www.bertaut.com/mavor.html
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nolaegghead said:holy mother of Zeus! no wonder you have a pessimistic vision of humanity!
Some companies hire ex-cons, seems like you're getting the pre-cons.
oh, remember that narcon discussion we had last spring, that guy next door has injected it 3 times since and been arrested for heroine once since then. 3 ambulance rides and an arrest and all he has had to pay is 50 bucks in fineswheres the state when we need them, those dems must be hanging curtains or something
about time i got a political pessimistic vision of humanity! post in, days almost over
i dont really consider myself pessimistic, im more the loud laughing party drunk type
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Eoin said:Do you have a trade split in the US between platers and welders?
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pgprescott said:How exactly does one do welding off the grid? Blacksmith work maybe, but welding?????“Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away.” ― Philip K. Diçk
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HeavyG said:Welding generator.fukahwee maineyou can lead a fish to water but you can not make him drink it
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HeavyG said:Welding generator.
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Braggart said:I'm sure he'll find someone to give him and his 3.6 GPA a chance...but it won't be the most sought after companies....
The bigger the company, the more sought after, the less I learned to do.
I learned the most in my engineering career working for small companies.
Northern Virginia
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ToTheMax said:And good for him.
The bigger the company, the more sought after, the less I learned to do.
I learned the most in my engineering career working for small companies.
Hope I didn't give the wrong impression though. He is open to anything right now. Lots of interviews. No bites though. He is not one to dismiss "smaller companies".
Most of the 4.0s are already locked up, and have been for some time. They are all looking forward to starting their internships at the end of their school year.
In keeping with the OP's original point...these are the same individuals that would be hard pressed to understand "righty tighty, lefty loosey". You reap what you sow.Large BGE
MMax BGE
Weber gasser
Pizza oven
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Braggart said:
Competition these days is fierce. GPA/marks/results are being held in higher regard than aptitude. Everyone is complaining that tomorrow's generation don't have the needed skills...but in OUR reality, no one is giving the students that have these very skills the chance to move forward
play so I think he is burning the candle at both end and the middle....
Regardkng the the comment I quoted, the GPA issue really seems to be an American thing. We hire lots of students and I never ask their GPA nor have I ever been asked for mine. If they point out an academic award like Deans List etc on their resume that's a bonus but their experience and demeanor are so much more important to me when interviewing. Same for hiring full time staff. If they passed, they have the degree. That's about it. I expect people on here will disagree with that because that's how it's always been where you are but it sure isn't a big deal here for me.
I would prefer my sons go into the trades. Good honest work, useful and always needed. I am trained as an exterminator before going back to school for an Ag degree. I often wonder what would happen if I had stayed in pest control and started my own firm.Mt Elgin Ontario - just a Large. -
gmac said:
Regardkng the the comment I quoted, the GPA issue really seems to be an American thing.
Large BGE
MMax BGE
Weber gasser
Pizza oven
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Braggart said:Alberta....Schulich School of Engineering....U of C.Mt Elgin Ontario - just a Large.
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The ex cons we have hired have been hit and miss. One we have now is awesome. Great attitude. Great work ethic. Probably happy to be out. He served 10 years.
Book smarts vs experience. . . A girl I graduated with was top of our class. She did not know what type of food was in the produce department. Her guess was meat.Large, Medium, MiniMax, 36" Blackstone
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kl8ton said:The ex cons we have hired have been hit and miss. One we have now is awesome. Great attitude. Great work ethic. Probably happy to be out. He served 10 years.
Book smarts vs experience. . . A girl I graduated with was top of our class. She did not know what type of food was in the produce department. Her guess was meat.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qosk-UIQIjA
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gmac said:They use GPA in Alberta? Either way I'm surprised that people are asking about grades. Like I said, I've never asked not been asked. And a flyers logo? Really? No wonder I assumed you were American
As for the Flyers...been a Flyer fan for over 40 years....back when they played hockey like it was supposed to be played. Black eyes and broken ankles. I bleed orange.Large BGE
MMax BGE
Weber gasser
Pizza oven
2 Dogs Back to 3 Dogs
No neighbours
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Braggart said:They do...and they don't. When applying for internships, they ask for GPA. He has been instructed to be accurate to within 2 decimal points. He's sitting at a 3.72 he says. However if you look at some of his final marks in his last semester, he's showing A's, B+'s etc. Not sure what to say.
As for the Flyers...been a Flyer fan for over 40 years....back when they played hockey like it was supposed to be played. Black eyes and broken ankles. I bleed orange.Large BGEBBQ Guru DigiQ IIMartensville, Saskatchewan Canada -
the difference between 3.6 and 4.0 is intense brown nosing with the teachers before during and after class. i did not get the 4.0fukahwee maineyou can lead a fish to water but you can not make him drink it
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fishlessman said:the difference between 3.6 and 4.0 is intense brown nosing with the teachers before during and after class. i did not get the 4.0Large BGEBBQ Guru DigiQ IIMartensville, Saskatchewan Canada
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bigalsworth said:the difference for me was because I was very drunk a lot of the time. Figured since it was my last year of school ever I might as well do it right and not say no to fun.
my last class i talked the professor into having it at the local chinese place, found out my way over the top teach was a roxbury ma slum lord. thought for sure i would drop a grade level or two, ended with i dont care what you give me but it better be a D or better, i still got the A. it was a philosophy class, our philosophies did not quite line up
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