Friday.....yaaaawnnnnn

GATraveller

Why are people so opposed to steaming the flow of illegal immigration? 

nolaegghead

KennyLee said:

nolaegghead said:

KennyLee said:

nolaegghead said:

KennyLee said:

nolaegghead said:

Any of you mensa rocket scientists want to explain to me how outside of Trump's "make america great" motto and your hatred for "the b!tch", there's any substance to our president elect?  (hint: no deflections)

I will....and it has nothing to do with mottos or campaign rhetoric, which I largely don't buy into anyway.

The middle class has been getting its collective ass kicked in this country for decades, and not just from Obama & Co.  He's just the latest, but not the only.  Many in the GOP were just as to blame, including the predecessor, although sometimes for different reasons.  It's just become more and more evident over the last couple of terms and the folks finally had enough.  The culprit and root of the problem is the career politician who has never done anything outside of campaigning or holding political office.

Trump is the ultimate outsider, a businessman, understands economics not in the theoretical world, but the real world.  He understands what drives the economy and ultimately brings about prosperity.  Things like incentivizing businesses and corporations to come here instead of leave (leaving out specifics 'cause they're insinuated and fairly obvious), putting more money in the pockets of the people instead of dreaming up more schemes to take it away.

My thoughts are his strengths are largely economic in nature and is what will work best for him and is also why he got elected.  Of course the left was going to fight him, but when the GOP fat cats turned on him, THAT's when I knew he was on to something.  The Hillary hate was always there, but that was a given and really secondary.   

And I didn't even vote for him in the primary, but looking back, think he may very well be the best choice.     

I can see you're buying what he's selling, but take anything specific that he wants to do and let's talk about that.  You call it.

Not sure how long I'll be up.  But abolishing the death tax.

Good show.  This impacts about 0.2% of Americans as the exemption is over 5 million dollars, doesn't apply to spouses, and is increased to over 10 million dollars with a couple dying and someone inheriting this. 

Obviously you're a very lucky person. 

Nice try.  Doesn't affect me in the least, wish it did.  But has crushed many family businesses, mainly in agriculture over the decades.  Of course I think that was the plan from the beginning.

Lowering the corporate tax rate from a planet-high 35% (I'd say solar system-high, but couldn't do it with ultimate confidence) to 15%.  In addition offering a one-time 10% repatriation tax on trillions (2-6 depending on who you listen to) sitting offshore/overseas and bringing it back to the States. 

I think those family businesses are probably crushed...with the family members wearing barrels with leather straps.  Seriously, good estate planning can get around it and most farms are giant corporate conglomerates.  So you must be a farmer?   Otherwise, why give a sh!t about it?

Corporate tax rate - barely anyone pays the 35% because they reinvest their money or shield it in other ways.  I encourage you to read up on this on neutral, non-political economic sites.  Sure, cut it to 35%.  It's not going to be as significant a reduction as it's "trumped" up to be. 

For the everyday middle class American, according to the consensus of economists, it won't make much difference.  Rich people will make a little more, middle class will still stagnate, since most of them don't own businesses but work for them.

SGH

nolaegghead said:

Build a wall.  Fvck yeah! 

I hope that he extends that wall around New Orleans as well

nolaegghead

GATraveller said:

Why are people so opposed to steaming the flow of illegal immigration? 

Everyone is for stemming illegal immigration.  Rephrase your question please.

nolaegghead

KennyLee said:

nolaegghead said:

KennyLee said:

nolaegghead said:

KennyLee said:

nolaegghead said:

Any of you mensa rocket scientists want to explain to me how outside of Trump's "make america great" motto and your hatred for "the b!tch", there's any substance to our president elect?  (hint: no deflections)

I will....and it has nothing to do with mottos or campaign rhetoric, which I largely don't buy into anyway.

The middle class has been getting its collective ass kicked in this country for decades, and not just from Obama & Co.  He's just the latest, but not the only.  Many in the GOP were just as to blame, including the predecessor, although sometimes for different reasons.  It's just become more and more evident over the last couple of terms and the folks finally had enough.  The culprit and root of the problem is the career politician who has never done anything outside of campaigning or holding political office.

Trump is the ultimate outsider, a businessman, understands economics not in the theoretical world, but the real world.  He understands what drives the economy and ultimately brings about prosperity.  Things like incentivizing businesses and corporations to come here instead of leave (leaving out specifics 'cause they're insinuated and fairly obvious), putting more money in the pockets of the people instead of dreaming up more schemes to take it away.

My thoughts are his strengths are largely economic in nature and is what will work best for him and is also why he got elected.  Of course the left was going to fight him, but when the GOP fat cats turned on him, THAT's when I knew he was on to something.  The Hillary hate was always there, but that was a given and really secondary.   

And I didn't even vote for him in the primary, but looking back, think he may very well be the best choice.     

I can see you're buying what he's selling, but take anything specific that he wants to do and let's talk about that.  You call it.

Not sure how long I'll be up.  But abolishing the death tax.

Good show.  This impacts about 0.2% of Americans as the exemption is over 5 million dollars, doesn't apply to spouses, and is increased to over 10 million dollars with a couple dying and someone inheriting this. 

Obviously you're a very lucky person. 

Nice try.  Doesn't affect me in the least, wish it did.  But has crushed many family businesses, mainly in agriculture over the decades.  Of course I think that was the plan from the beginning.

Lowering the corporate tax rate from a planet-high 35% (I'd say solar system-high, but couldn't do it with ultimate confidence) to 15%.  In addition offering a one-time 10% repatriation tax on trillions (2-6 depending on who you listen to) sitting offshore/overseas and bringing it back to the States. 

It's funny you bring up the estate tax first, since it least impacts the very demographic that trump has focused on - the middle class.  And it benefits Trump and other multi-millionaires the most.  Almost made me think he must have pushed this...wonder why....hmmm.

SGH

GATraveller said:

Why are people so opposed to steaming the flow of illegal immigration? 

I'm not opposed to it at all. I'm actually very supportive of putting certain groups out of the country all together. To truly make America great again. 

SGH

Fellows it's 12:16am and I have to get up at 2:00am and make a 10 hour drive. On that note, troll on and have good one. Catch y'all tomorrow. 

nolaegghead

SGH said:

GATraveller said:

Why are people so opposed to steaming the flow of illegal immigration? 

I'm not opposed to it at all. I'm actually very supportive of putting certain groups out of the country all together. To truly make America great again. 

Scottie, you're a brilliant cook, probably one of the best people in the world when it comes to drilling holes in the ground. 

Also I appreciate your support for native Americans, but I'd hate to see you and me thrown out of the country.  Who'd cook the bbq and drill the holes, brother?

nolaegghead

SGH said:

Fellows it's 12:16am and I have to get up at 2:00am and make a 10 hour drive. On that note, troll on and have good one. Catch y'all tomorrow. 

****! (cat)

GATraveller

The PC crowd only views the prospect of building a wall as racist. 

HeavyG

SGH said:

GATraveller said:

Big Gun Putin and big eared Obingo. And they say that a picture is worth a thousand words. This one is worth a million words my friend. 

This one says a thousand words about Trump. All of which are "bottom".

Ozzie_Isaac

SGH said:

nolaegghead said:

Build a wall.  Fvck yeah! 

I hope that he extends that wall around New Orleans as well

Nah, just Algiers.

HeavyG

GATraveller said:

The PC crowd only views the prospect of building a wall as racist. 

Naah...the PC crowd just understands that Trumps multibillion dollar wall will be as effective as the Maginot Line.

nolaegghead

GATraveller said:

The PC crowd only views the prospect of building a wall as racist. 

I'm not part of the PC crowd.  So I don't care what they think. 

It's just not a practical solution.  I guess if you could get Mexico to pay for it...did you think this was literally his solution, or just a metaphor for better policy?  I'm, like, super excited to hear your opinion on this, I rarely get to ask these questions.   ((*excitement!!!*))

GATraveller

nolaegghead

Ozzie_Isaac said:

SGH said:

nolaegghead said:

Build a wall.  Fvck yeah! 

I hope that he extends that wall around New Orleans as well

Nah, just Algiers.

Oh, so you're an anti-Algierite.  Great.  Another one of those.

GATraveller

HeavyG said:

GATraveller said:

The PC crowd only views the prospect of building a wall as racist. 

Naah...the PC crowd just understands that Trumps multibillion dollar wall will be as effective as the Maginot Line.

But it's gonna be paid for in pesos 

nolaegghead

GATraveller said:

I guess that just says it all, am I right!?

nolaegghead

Does anyone have anything?  Anything at all?

GATraveller

nolaegghead said:

GATraveller said:

I guess that just says it all, am I right!?

About "not going back"? 

nolaegghead

Well, seems that penis size was the point of one of the republican primary debates.  What could be more important?  The economy?  Bah!

KennyLee

nolaegghead said:

KennyLee said:

nolaegghead said:

KennyLee said:

nolaegghead said:

KennyLee said:

nolaegghead said:

Any of you mensa rocket scientists want to explain to me how outside of Trump's "make america great" motto and your hatred for "the b!tch", there's any substance to our president elect?  (hint: no deflections)

I will....and it has nothing to do with mottos or campaign rhetoric, which I largely don't buy into anyway.

The middle class has been getting its collective ass kicked in this country for decades, and not just from Obama & Co.  He's just the latest, but not the only.  Many in the GOP were just as to blame, including the predecessor, although sometimes for different reasons.  It's just become more and more evident over the last couple of terms and the folks finally had enough.  The culprit and root of the problem is the career politician who has never done anything outside of campaigning or holding political office.

Trump is the ultimate outsider, a businessman, understands economics not in the theoretical world, but the real world.  He understands what drives the economy and ultimately brings about prosperity.  Things like incentivizing businesses and corporations to come here instead of leave (leaving out specifics 'cause they're insinuated and fairly obvious), putting more money in the pockets of the people instead of dreaming up more schemes to take it away.

My thoughts are his strengths are largely economic in nature and is what will work best for him and is also why he got elected.  Of course the left was going to fight him, but when the GOP fat cats turned on him, THAT's when I knew he was on to something.  The Hillary hate was always there, but that was a given and really secondary.   

And I didn't even vote for him in the primary, but looking back, think he may very well be the best choice.     

I can see you're buying what he's selling, but take anything specific that he wants to do and let's talk about that.  You call it.

Not sure how long I'll be up.  But abolishing the death tax.

Good show.  This impacts about 0.2% of Americans as the exemption is over 5 million dollars, doesn't apply to spouses, and is increased to over 10 million dollars with a couple dying and someone inheriting this. 

Obviously you're a very lucky person. 

Nice try.  Doesn't affect me in the least, wish it did.  But has crushed many family businesses, mainly in agriculture over the decades.  Of course I think that was the plan from the beginning.

Lowering the corporate tax rate from a planet-high 35% (I'd say solar system-high, but couldn't do it with ultimate confidence) to 15%.  In addition offering a one-time 10% repatriation tax on trillions (2-6 depending on who you listen to) sitting offshore/overseas and bringing it back to the States. 

I think those family businesses are probably crushed...with the family members wearing barrels with leather straps.  Seriously, good estate planning can get around it and most farms are giant corporate conglomerates.  So you must be a farmer?   Otherwise, why give a sh!t about it?

Corporate tax rate - barely anyone pays the 35% because they reinvest their money or shield it in other ways.  I encourage you to read up on this on neutral, non-political economic sites.  Sure, cut it to 35%.  It's not going to be as significant a reduction as it's "trumped" up to be. 

For the everyday middle class American, according to the consensus of economists, it won't make much difference.  Rich people will make a little more, middle class will still stagnate, since most of them don't own businesses but work for them.

So if it doesn't affect you or me, it doesn't matter?  How compassionate.  There's a reason most farms are giant corporate conglomerates nowadays, and part of that is the death tax and was exactly my point.  Thanks for elaborating on it. 

And your last sentence about the middle class working for them?  Precisely!  There are fewer and fewer jobs and opportunities for the middle class and that is where the dissolution of the middle class has come from. 

Let me give you a micro example to chew on, then I'm out 'cause it's getting late. 

When I graduated from college in the early '90s, I went to work for a financial services company out of college.  They had just moved part of their operations here due to tax abatements/incentives offered by the state at the time totaling around $8 million.  The state program meant to attract business and jobs had a name, but I forget what it was.  Of course there was the usual bitching from the left about giving money away to the evil corporations.  But anyway, they moved here and hired around 300 employees initially, of which I was one of the early ones and worked there for a few years before moving on to other things.

Fast forward a couple of decades.  That same company that got $8 million to come to our part of Texas has built a $20 million campus and now employs roughly 3,500 people with an estimated payroll of roughly $250-300 million a year.  Of course those people have bought homes, go out to eat, use dry cleaners, go to the movies, send their kids to schools....and I could go on and on and on, but in a basic sense, their economic prosperity requires the goods and services of others, and on and on and on.  And of course not only does that create even more jobs outside of the sphere of the company itself, but also *gasp* creates huge tax dollars for the local community, the state, be it property taxes, sales taxes, whatever.  Forgetting even what the company spent in construction costs in building the facility and what it pays in local and state taxes today as far as property and otherwise.

Think the state got it's $8M back?  Wish I could find a deal like that.  Trump's vision, in my opinion, is more like that than the take, take, take, let's run 'em out of town vision we've seen in recent years.  He gets it and it will benefit us all, not just the elite, and will grow the middle class instead of growing the poverty class.  And growing the poverty class has been the plan.          

nolaegghead

So what I read from this is the estate tax creates big corporations, and those corporations hire lots of middle class people, so you want to get rid of the estate tax.   Your segue not mine.

nolaegghead

Seriously, I'm screwing with you.  I don't disagree big companies hire people and can pay them well.  I work for one of those.

I think you brought up a new topic - state tax deals.  Well, that's at the state level.  Trump did get involved with Carrier, and if you want to talk about that, we can do it at any time, but it's not the bed of roses that you might think it is.

GATraveller

nolaegghead said:

Well, seems that penis size was the point of one of the republican primary debates.  What could be more important?  The economy?  Bah!

The economy will take care of itself. We got more important things to worry about like will Kim and Kanye weather his breakdown.....that sh!t real son.  

nolaegghead

GATraveller said:

nolaegghead said:

Well, seems that penis size was the point of one of the republican primary debates.  What could be more important?  The economy?  Bah!

The economy will take care of itself. We got more important things to worry about like will Kim and Kanye weather his breakdown.....that sh!t real son.  

Well, that he seems to be taking care of.  Rest well, our country will be tweeted into greatness.

Ozzie_Isaac

nolaegghead said:

Ozzie_Isaac said:

SGH said:

nolaegghead said:

Build a wall.  Fvck yeah! 

I hope that he extends that wall around New Orleans as well

Nah, just Algiers.

Oh, so you're an anti-Algierite.  Great.  Another one.

Damn straight.

KennyLee

nolaegghead said:

So what I read from this is the estate tax creates big corporations, and those corporations hire lots of middle class people, so you want to get rid of the estate tax.   Your segue not mine.

C'mon.  That example said nothing about estate tax and wasn't about the estate tax.  You already said the estate tax doesn't matter to you because it doesn't affect you (or me) even though it's thievery and does affect some. 

Read it.  The example was about incentivizing business and commerce to come to your town/state/country instead of shunning it and running it away.  And it was about the end result of not only jobs and prosperity for thousands of families, but even tax revenue that would have otherwise never existed.  That is what Trump's about versus what we've seen for far too long.  The tax incentive was a resounding success hundreds of times over.

I'd prefer that method of economics instead of the other, which is incentivizing business to leave.  Good night! 

Ozzie_Isaac

nolaegghead said:

Does anyone have anything?  Anything at all?

No use arguing.  They all lie.  Trump at least doesn't pretend.  He takes every side of every issue.

nolaegghead

KennyLee said:

nolaegghead said:

So what I read from this is the estate tax creates big corporations, and those corporations hire lots of middle class people, so you want to get rid of the estate tax.   Your segue not mine.

C'mon.  That example said nothing about estate tax and wasn't about the estate tax.  You already said the estate tax doesn't matter to you because it doesn't affect you (or me) even though it's thievery and does affect some. 

Read it.  The example was about incentivizing business and commerce to come to your town/state/country instead of shunning it and running it away.  And it was about the end result of not only jobs and prosperity for thousands of families, but even tax revenue that would have otherwise never existed.  That is what Trump's about versus what we've seen for far too long.  The tax incentive was a resounding success hundreds of times over.

I'd prefer that method of economics instead of the other, which is incentivizing business to leave.  Good night! 

a) I said I was screwing with you on that first part

b) if you look at the "make money for big business" politics, the incentivizing biz to leave (not how any politicians would word it, btw) has been republican big business policy more than dem. 

Furthermore, (and I read it) states and economists don't want a tax incentive trade war to lure businesses from one state to the next.  All you end up doing is running up state deficits and mixing up the winners and losers.  This doesn't typically stop companies from moving off-shore... PLEASE read up on this.  I beg you. 

You put your finger in a damn, it's possible two more holes open up.  The system of economics is complex, and Trump, contrary to popular opinion, doesn't seem to understand the repercussions and nuances involved with some of his demagoguery (unless he actually does and he's playing you for a fool).  I don't think he does, and there's really no evidence that I have seen that he does. (and I like to read everything)  I'm looking for it though...for everyone's sake.