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Somehing with no hidden agenda, kind of like the book I mentioned? As I said incoming attack of the liberals. Disagree with one and they come out in full force. Freedom of speech as long as you agree with them.HeavyG said:
A "more balanced read". Yeah...I'm sure that is exactly what you read.bhedges1987 said:
Haven't read it. I tend to enjoy a more balanced read. Not a one sided story to fit what I want to read which sounds exactly like something up your alley. Find something that will go with what you probably already think and have heard.... Sounds like a biased snooze fest sorry....JohnInCarolina said:
How about this book?bhedges1987 said:
Level zero heroes. But nice job immediately jumping to conclusions and douchebaggery. Typical liberal behavior.JohnInCarolina said:
Do you have a book you would recommend? Perhaps a novella by Sean Hannity?bhedges1987 said:
You sir need to pick up a book written by those that served over there. Not just listening to the news that the left wing liberals spew. Then tell me about the Intel that we 'don't' have or the useless missions that we do with our hands behind our backs. He is hitting the nail on the head about our air strikes. Please do not only us all a favor, but yourself a favor by picking up a book.JohnInCarolina said:
So your contention is that the military is just launching air strikes for symbolic reasons, but somehow - still managing to take out ISIS leaders? OK.blasting said:Willful ignorance would be gutting the military, and flying a few symbolic daily missions. This is what I would call a total failure. The evidence is the 100 dead and wounded from last night.
I want to see 1000 missions a day hunting the animals. Not 10-20 just to say we are doing something.
I think it's insulting to those that die, for our leaders to jump alll over gun control as the standard resonse. To me, that qualifies as the willful ignorance of which you speak. Hell, Obama still won't even utter the words islamic terrrorist.
A thousand missions a day is useless without specific targets and Intel. But yeah, we should totally due that instead of acting like such wimps.
Lol at "Islamic terrorist" - as though somehow saying that makes everything better.
Gun control is hard, so let's focus on *realistic* goals like building giant walls, banning an entire faith and deporting 11 million people. Vote for Trump!
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This thread is getting almost as wild as last night's exchange on the Rockwood thread.
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It's nice to be on the outside looking inGrateEggspectations said:This thread is getting almost as wild as last night's exchange on the Rockwood thread. -
I'm on the outside now. Time for hockey and some egg food.Lit said:
It's nice to be on the outside looking inGrateEggspectations said:This thread is getting almost as wild as last night's exchange on the Rockwood thread.
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"All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given to us" - Gandalf -
With respect to the shooter in Orlando? I'm not sure there's a lot more that that could have been done by law enforcement. The guy was born here, acquired a firearm legally, and with an apparently overnight conversion - appears to have had little to no contact with terrorists overseas. He was a "lone wolf." There's a reason ISIS is encouraging those - because they're almost impossible to catch.jabam said:@JohnInCarolina so what would you do? Just curious where you stand on all this. Not trying to antagonize, just wanting to hear your view."I've made a note never to piss you two off." - Stike -
Nobody's suggesting you don't have a right to an opinion. Freedom of speech doesn't mean freedom from criticism.bhedges1987 said:
Somehing with no hidden agenda, kind of like the book I mentioned? As I said incoming attack of the liberals. Disagree with one and they come out in full force. Freedom of speech as long as you agree with them.HeavyG said:
A "more balanced read". Yeah...I'm sure that is exactly what you read.bhedges1987 said:
Haven't read it. I tend to enjoy a more balanced read. Not a one sided story to fit what I want to read which sounds exactly like something up your alley. Find something that will go with what you probably already think and have heard.... Sounds like a biased snooze fest sorry....JohnInCarolina said:
How about this book?bhedges1987 said:
Level zero heroes. But nice job immediately jumping to conclusions and douchebaggery. Typical liberal behavior.JohnInCarolina said:
Do you have a book you would recommend? Perhaps a novella by Sean Hannity?bhedges1987 said:
You sir need to pick up a book written by those that served over there. Not just listening to the news that the left wing liberals spew. Then tell me about the Intel that we 'don't' have or the useless missions that we do with our hands behind our backs. He is hitting the nail on the head about our air strikes. Please do not only us all a favor, but yourself a favor by picking up a book.JohnInCarolina said:
So your contention is that the military is just launching air strikes for symbolic reasons, but somehow - still managing to take out ISIS leaders? OK.blasting said:Willful ignorance would be gutting the military, and flying a few symbolic daily missions. This is what I would call a total failure. The evidence is the 100 dead and wounded from last night.
I want to see 1000 missions a day hunting the animals. Not 10-20 just to say we are doing something.
I think it's insulting to those that die, for our leaders to jump alll over gun control as the standard resonse. To me, that qualifies as the willful ignorance of which you speak. Hell, Obama still won't even utter the words islamic terrrorist.
A thousand missions a day is useless without specific targets and Intel. But yeah, we should totally due that instead of acting like such wimps.
Lol at "Islamic terrorist" - as though somehow saying that makes everything better.
Gun control is hard, so let's focus on *realistic* goals like building giant walls, banning an entire faith and deporting 11 million people. Vote for Trump!"I've made a note never to piss you two off." - Stike -
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The book you mentioned?bhedges1987 said:
Somehing with no hidden agenda, kind of like the book I mentioned? As I said incoming attack of the liberals. Disagree with one and they come out in full force. Freedom of speech as long as you agree with them.HeavyG said:
A "more balanced read". Yeah...I'm sure that is exactly what you read.bhedges1987 said:
Haven't read it. I tend to enjoy a more balanced read. Not a one sided story to fit what I want to read which sounds exactly like something up your alley. Find something that will go with what you probably already think and have heard.... Sounds like a biased snooze fest sorry....JohnInCarolina said:
How about this book?bhedges1987 said:
Level zero heroes. But nice job immediately jumping to conclusions and douchebaggery. Typical liberal behavior.JohnInCarolina said:
Do you have a book you would recommend? Perhaps a novella by Sean Hannity?bhedges1987 said:
You sir need to pick up a book written by those that served over there. Not just listening to the news that the left wing liberals spew. Then tell me about the Intel that we 'don't' have or the useless missions that we do with our hands behind our backs. He is hitting the nail on the head about our air strikes. Please do not only us all a favor, but yourself a favor by picking up a book.JohnInCarolina said:
So your contention is that the military is just launching air strikes for symbolic reasons, but somehow - still managing to take out ISIS leaders? OK.blasting said:Willful ignorance would be gutting the military, and flying a few symbolic daily missions. This is what I would call a total failure. The evidence is the 100 dead and wounded from last night.
I want to see 1000 missions a day hunting the animals. Not 10-20 just to say we are doing something.
I think it's insulting to those that die, for our leaders to jump alll over gun control as the standard resonse. To me, that qualifies as the willful ignorance of which you speak. Hell, Obama still won't even utter the words islamic terrrorist.
A thousand missions a day is useless without specific targets and Intel. But yeah, we should totally due that instead of acting like such wimps.
Lol at "Islamic terrorist" - as though somehow saying that makes everything better.
Gun control is hard, so let's focus on *realistic* goals like building giant walls, banning an entire faith and deporting 11 million people. Vote for Trump!
I guess I missed the post where you mentioned a specific book.“Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away.” ― Philip K. Diçk -
You must have. Page two bro.HeavyG said:
The book you mentioned?bhedges1987 said:
Somehing with no hidden agenda, kind of like the book I mentioned? As I said incoming attack of the liberals. Disagree with one and they come out in full force. Freedom of speech as long as you agree with them.HeavyG said:
A "more balanced read". Yeah...I'm sure that is exactly what you read.bhedges1987 said:
Haven't read it. I tend to enjoy a more balanced read. Not a one sided story to fit what I want to read which sounds exactly like something up your alley. Find something that will go with what you probably already think and have heard.... Sounds like a biased snooze fest sorry....JohnInCarolina said:
How about this book?bhedges1987 said:
Level zero heroes. But nice job immediately jumping to conclusions and douchebaggery. Typical liberal behavior.JohnInCarolina said:
Do you have a book you would recommend? Perhaps a novella by Sean Hannity?bhedges1987 said:
You sir need to pick up a book written by those that served over there. Not just listening to the news that the left wing liberals spew. Then tell me about the Intel that we 'don't' have or the useless missions that we do with our hands behind our backs. He is hitting the nail on the head about our air strikes. Please do not only us all a favor, but yourself a favor by picking up a book.JohnInCarolina said:
So your contention is that the military is just launching air strikes for symbolic reasons, but somehow - still managing to take out ISIS leaders? OK.blasting said:Willful ignorance would be gutting the military, and flying a few symbolic daily missions. This is what I would call a total failure. The evidence is the 100 dead and wounded from last night.
I want to see 1000 missions a day hunting the animals. Not 10-20 just to say we are doing something.
I think it's insulting to those that die, for our leaders to jump alll over gun control as the standard resonse. To me, that qualifies as the willful ignorance of which you speak. Hell, Obama still won't even utter the words islamic terrrorist.
A thousand missions a day is useless without specific targets and Intel. But yeah, we should totally due that instead of acting like such wimps.
Lol at "Islamic terrorist" - as though somehow saying that makes everything better.
Gun control is hard, so let's focus on *realistic* goals like building giant walls, banning an entire faith and deporting 11 million people. Vote for Trump!
I guess I missed the post where you mentioned a specific book.
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I actually wrote an article to the editor of the local paper about dirt bags aka terrorists in early 2003 (just before the start of the Iraq war) where I offered "How do we know when we have won?" in light of the fact that we had been fighting the war on drugs for several years and that finish-line was undefined., is this one any different?
We as a country are accustomed to knowing what it takes to win. Not so here and certainly not so going forward. There are no easy answers.Louisville; Rolling smoke in the neighbourhood. # 38 for the win. Life is too short for light/lite beer! Seems I'm livin in a transitional period. -
What y'all don't know is that Obama has promised to clean @JohnInCarolina s minimax once out of office. You can't change his mind until Feb 2017. Then in sure he'll be more open minded on the egg forum.
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I was thinking overall, to help prevent something like this from happening again.JohnInCarolina said:
With respect to the shooter in Orlando? I'm not sure there's a lot more that that could have been done by law enforcement. The guy was born here, acquired a firearm legally, and with an apparently overnight conversion - appears to have had little to no contact with terrorists overseas. He was a "lone wolf." There's a reason ISIS is encouraging those - because they're almost impossible to catch.jabam said:@JohnInCarolina so what would you do? Just curious where you stand on all this. Not trying to antagonize, just wanting to hear your view.Central Valley CA One large egg One chocolate lab "Halle" two chiuahuas "Skittles and PeeWee" -
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I don't think there are any easy answers. What bothers me is that we're incapable as a society of discussing risks, statistics, and cost/benefits.jabam said:
I was thinking overall, to help prevent something like this from happening again.JohnInCarolina said:
With respect to the shooter in Orlando? I'm not sure there's a lot more that that could have been done by law enforcement. The guy was born here, acquired a firearm legally, and with an apparently overnight conversion - appears to have had little to no contact with terrorists overseas. He was a "lone wolf." There's a reason ISIS is encouraging those - because they're almost impossible to catch.jabam said:@JohnInCarolina so what would you do? Just curious where you stand on all this. Not trying to antagonize, just wanting to hear your view."I've made a note never to piss you two off." - Stike -
Something else that bothers me is that people think it's OK to drive slow in the passing lane on the highway.JohnInCarolina said:
I don't think there are any easy answers. What bothers me is that we're incapable as a society of discussing risks, statistics, and cost/benefits.jabam said:
I was thinking overall, to help prevent something like this from happening again.JohnInCarolina said:
With respect to the shooter in Orlando? I'm not sure there's a lot more that that could have been done by law enforcement. The guy was born here, acquired a firearm legally, and with an apparently overnight conversion - appears to have had little to no contact with terrorists overseas. He was a "lone wolf." There's a reason ISIS is encouraging those - because they're almost impossible to catch.jabam said:@JohnInCarolina so what would you do? Just curious where you stand on all this. Not trying to antagonize, just wanting to hear your view.They/Them
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Something else that bothers me is that people think it's OK to drive slow in the passing lane on the highway.JohnInCarolina said:
I don't think there are any easy answers. What bothers me is that we're incapable as a society of discussing risks, statistics, and cost/benefits.jabam said:
I was thinking overall, to help prevent something like this from happening again.JohnInCarolina said:
With respect to the shooter in Orlando? I'm not sure there's a lot more that that could have been done by law enforcement. The guy was born here, acquired a firearm legally, and with an apparently overnight conversion - appears to have had little to no contact with terrorists overseas. He was a "lone wolf." There's a reason ISIS is encouraging those - because they're almost impossible to catch.jabam said:@JohnInCarolina so what would you do? Just curious where you stand on all this. Not trying to antagonize, just wanting to hear your view. -
Those people need to be hung by the truck nuts and dipped in a hot acid spring.DMW said:
Something else that bothers me is that people think it's OK to drive slow in the passing lane on the highway.JohnInCarolina said:
I don't think there are any easy answers. What bothers me is that we're incapable as a society of discussing risks, statistics, and cost/benefits.jabam said:
I was thinking overall, to help prevent something like this from happening again.JohnInCarolina said:
With respect to the shooter in Orlando? I'm not sure there's a lot more that that could have been done by law enforcement. The guy was born here, acquired a firearm legally, and with an apparently overnight conversion - appears to have had little to no contact with terrorists overseas. He was a "lone wolf." There's a reason ISIS is encouraging those - because they're almost impossible to catch.jabam said:@JohnInCarolina so what would you do? Just curious where you stand on all this. Not trying to antagonize, just wanting to hear your view."I've made a note never to piss you two off." - Stike -
If you want to talk statistics your odds of getting killed by a gun is slim to none.I don't think there are any easy answers. What bothers me is that we're incapable as a society of discussing risks, statistics, and cost/benefits.
Talking prevention more gun control laws wouldn't have helped just take a look at San Bernadino. Beyond mass gun confiscations the only truly way to stop this from happening is to be armed yourself or depend on someone who is that hopefully is there when it happens.
We have family in Wisconsin who live in a small town and got the Allah Akbar phone call. The police responded immediately and caught Muslims cruising down the street looking for his house with guns with the intent to kill him and his family.
I got the same phone call here south of DC but it took the police 30 minutes to get to my house and I live 5 miles from their station. If I did depend solely on the police for protection myself and my family if it wasn't a prank call could be dead if I didn't exercise the 2nd Amendment.
You have to give people the right to self defense or stuff like Orlando happens. -
Any way you can back any of that up?Davec433 said:
If you want to talk statistics your odds of getting killed by a gun is slim to none.I don't think there are any easy answers. What bothers me is that we're incapable as a society of discussing risks, statistics, and cost/benefits.
Talking prevention more gun control laws wouldn't have helped just take a look at San Bernadino. Beyond mass gun confiscations the only truly way to stop this from happening is to be armed yourself or depend on someone who is that hopefully is there when it happens.
We have family in Wisconsin who live in a small town and got the Allah Akbar phone call. The police responded immediately and caught Muslims cruising down the street looking for his house with guns with the intent to kill him and his family.
I got the same phone call here south of DC but it took the police 30 minutes to get to my house and I live 5 miles from their station. If I did depend solely on the police for protection myself and my family if it wasn't a prank call could be dead if I didn't exercise the 2nd Amendment.
You have to give people the right to self defense or stuff like Orlando happens.Philly - Kansas City - Houston - Cincinnati - Dallas - Houston - Memphis - Austin - Chicago - Austin
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You have some very distinct opinions on a book that you admit you haven't even read. I've served 26 years in the USAF and still serving as a civilian for them, am a registered republican, and held more Security clearances than you've probably heard of. The above book is excellent and it would be worth your while to read it.bhedges1987 said:
Haven't read it. I tend to enjoy a more balanced read. Not a one sided story to fit what I want to read which sounds exactly like something up your alley. Find something that will go with what you probably already think and have heard.... Sounds like a biased snooze fest sorry....
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Yes I agree with that.....Be capable of discussing this with an open mind....Look in the mirror sir.JohnInCarolina said:
I don't think there are any easy answers. What bothers me is that we're incapable as a society of discussing risks, statistics, and cost/benefits.jabam said:
I was thinking overall, to help prevent something like this from happening again.JohnInCarolina said:
With respect to the shooter in Orlando? I'm not sure there's a lot more that that could have been done by law enforcement. The guy was born here, acquired a firearm legally, and with an apparently overnight conversion - appears to have had little to no contact with terrorists overseas. He was a "lone wolf." There's a reason ISIS is encouraging those - because they're almost impossible to catch.jabam said:@JohnInCarolina so what would you do? Just curious where you stand on all this. Not trying to antagonize, just wanting to hear your view.
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Tonight CBS had a fairly long interview with the shooter's ex-wife, and from what she said it sounded like he had a pretty severe mental illness, and was a very disturbed homophobe, so this thing was maybe a combined case of hate crime/mental/radicalized by religion.
The part that bothers me is that he's worked for a US Government contractor, in Security, for many years and had even been interviewed on suspicions, twice (here, being a little less PC may be required). His access to semi-auto weapons should have been more highly regulated.
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Ah...OK.bhedges1987 said:
You must have. Page two bro.HeavyG said:
The book you mentioned?bhedges1987 said:
Somehing with no hidden agenda, kind of like the book I mentioned? As I said incoming attack of the liberals. Disagree with one and they come out in full force. Freedom of speech as long as you agree with them.HeavyG said:
A "more balanced read". Yeah...I'm sure that is exactly what you read.bhedges1987 said:
Haven't read it. I tend to enjoy a more balanced read. Not a one sided story to fit what I want to read which sounds exactly like something up your alley. Find something that will go with what you probably already think and have heard.... Sounds like a biased snooze fest sorry....JohnInCarolina said:
How about this book?bhedges1987 said:
Level zero heroes. But nice job immediately jumping to conclusions and douchebaggery. Typical liberal behavior.JohnInCarolina said:
Do you have a book you would recommend? Perhaps a novella by Sean Hannity?bhedges1987 said:
You sir need to pick up a book written by those that served over there. Not just listening to the news that the left wing liberals spew. Then tell me about the Intel that we 'don't' have or the useless missions that we do with our hands behind our backs. He is hitting the nail on the head about our air strikes. Please do not only us all a favor, but yourself a favor by picking up a book.JohnInCarolina said:
So your contention is that the military is just launching air strikes for symbolic reasons, but somehow - still managing to take out ISIS leaders? OK.blasting said:Willful ignorance would be gutting the military, and flying a few symbolic daily missions. This is what I would call a total failure. The evidence is the 100 dead and wounded from last night.
I want to see 1000 missions a day hunting the animals. Not 10-20 just to say we are doing something.
I think it's insulting to those that die, for our leaders to jump alll over gun control as the standard resonse. To me, that qualifies as the willful ignorance of which you speak. Hell, Obama still won't even utter the words islamic terrrorist.
A thousand missions a day is useless without specific targets and Intel. But yeah, we should totally due that instead of acting like such wimps.
Lol at "Islamic terrorist" - as though somehow saying that makes everything better.
Gun control is hard, so let's focus on *realistic* goals like building giant walls, banning an entire faith and deporting 11 million people. Vote for Trump!
I guess I missed the post where you mentioned a specific book.
"Level Zero Heroes"?
The way you wrote that sentence "Level zero heroes" I didn't grok that as the title of a book. I just thought that was meant as snark directed at JIC.
Haven't read the book but did just read a bunch of reviews of it. Books like that have been written about every war in oh...the last couple hundred years. FUBAR has likely been a part of all warfare for thousands of years.
I'm not sure what that book highlights as being unique to our never-ending undeclared "Global War on Terrorism". Of course, since I haven't read it I also cannot say what "solutions" the author might proffer.“Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away.” ― Philip K. Diçk -
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Yeah I made it all up to score points on an online forum, my bad.dmchicago said:
Any way you can back any of that up?Davec433 said:
If you want to talk statistics your odds of getting killed by a gun is slim to none.I don't think there are any easy answers. What bothers me is that we're incapable as a society of discussing risks, statistics, and cost/benefits.
Talking prevention more gun control laws wouldn't have helped just take a look at San Bernadino. Beyond mass gun confiscations the only truly way to stop this from happening is to be armed yourself or depend on someone who is that hopefully is there when it happens.
We have family in Wisconsin who live in a small town and got the Allah Akbar phone call. The police responded immediately and caught Muslims cruising down the street looking for his house with guns with the intent to kill him and his family.
I got the same phone call here south of DC but it took the police 30 minutes to get to my house and I live 5 miles from their station. If I did depend solely on the police for protection myself and my family if it wasn't a prank call could be dead if I didn't exercise the 2nd Amendment.
You have to give people the right to self defense or stuff like Orlando happens.
In my area with the OPM data breach they just go down the list prank calling Alkah Akbar people. When we were talking to the police the night it happened they said they literally get multiple phone calls a night. Whoever does it uses an app that's untraceable with the software the police have.
Believe me or not my point is if someone is attempting to kill you Id rather have the right to be armed then have to wait on someone who is to respond.
The night club was a gun free zone by state law. Nobody could protect themselves legally if they wanted to.
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