At the store right now... Need help... MAP vs Propane

nolaegghead

I've tried using propane and it's just not hot enough to start a fire.  It just smolders the lump and goes out.  I changed to fake mapp gas and the heavens lit up and I won the lottery and a little somfin down below grew 5 inches in one night.  I'd definitely stick with fake mapp gas.  Plus it costs more, so it must be better.

blakeas

so whats the difference between the yellow and blue?  and which torch should I get?  sorry to hijack but wanted to be clear what was available and what was the best choice

stlcharcoal

blakeas said:

so whats the difference between the yellow and blue?  and which torch should I get?  sorry to hijack but wanted to be clear what was available and what was the best choice


150F more for several extra dollars.  Don't waste your money.

Jeepster47

nolaegghead said:

I've tried using propane and it's just not hot enough to start a fire.  It just smolders the lump and goes out.  I changed to fake mapp gas and the heavens lit up and I won the lottery and a little somfin down below grew 5 inches in one night.  I'd definitely stick with fake mapp gas.  Plus it costs more, so it must be better.

@nolaegghead ... damn I can't stop giggling.  How did you ever live through that "why ... why ... why" stage your son when through?  You must have bulk ordered Prozac.

Botch

stlcharcoal said:

I don't know if I buy that.......I'm an aerodyanamics guy, not a thermodynamics, but MAPP is 5300F, MAP-pro (propylene) is 3600F, and Propane is 3500F.

Combustion temperature is not the same thing as BTU, the MAPP may burn much hotter but get used up much faster and thus have a lower total amount of heat output, which is what the BTU is measuring.  
Wondering now how long a MAP-pro bottle will last compared to propane, but that would have to be measured in a controlled experiment, not "Well, my propane lasted two summers but the Map is empty by June!" type thing.   

blakeas

ok - so which of the 2 below?  I am guessing the blue due to the discussion above

http://www.amazon.com/C-R-Laurence-LP1759-Standard-Cylinder/dp/B002DVN7OU/ref=pd_sim_469_1?ie=UTF8&dpID=21FR+oAwnaL&dpSrc=sims&preST=_AC_UL160_SR160,160_&refRID=0500V8ZRS4WAA1PK8BNT

http://www.amazon.com/Worthington-MAP-Pro-Cylinder-14-1-oz-Yellow/dp/B00826MGT2/ref=pd_sim_469_6?ie=UTF8&dpID=41AuM2ahO7L&dpSrc=sims&preST=_AC_UL160_SR160,160_&refRID=0500V8ZRS4WAA1PK8BNT

with this?

http://www.amazon.com/Bernzomatic-TS8000-Intensity-Trigger-Start/dp/B0019CQL60/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1451592623&sr=8-1&keywords=mapp+torch

stlcharcoal

Botch said:

stlcharcoal said:

I don't know if I buy that.......I'm an aerodyanamics guy, not a thermodynamics, but MAPP is 5300F, MAP-pro (propylene) is 3600F, and Propane is 3500F.

Combustion temperature is not the same thing as BTU, the MAPP may burn much hotter but get used up much faster and thus have a lower total amount of heat output, which is what the BTU is measuring.  
Wondering now how long a MAP-pro bottle will last compared to propane, but that would have to be measured in a controlled experiment, not "Well, my propane lasted two summers but the Map is empty by June!" type thing.   

Ahhhhhhhhh.......good catch.  I knew there was some crafty wording in there.

One of a famous case studies we read in grad school was when one of the fast food chicken places and started selling a "healthy" meal that was "20% less fat!".  Yeah, it was also 20% less in weight, plus they charged an extra buck for it.

HeavyG

nolaegghead said:

I've tried using propane and it's just not hot enough to start a fire.  It just smolders the lump and goes out.  I changed to fake mapp gas and the heavens lit up and I won the lottery and a little somfin down below grew 5 inches in one night.  I'd definitely stick with fake mapp gas.  Plus it costs more, so it must be better.

Gas torches...how quaint.

I got a new light saber for Xmas and just a few swipes thru the lump and shazaam! Ready to go in three seconds.

Begger

What's wrong with a chimney?   Much less expense and the starter cubes are very inexpensive.

What kind of oil?   Olive?  Corn?   Penz?   

Botch

stlcharcoal said:
One of a famous case studies we read in grad school was when one of the fast food chicken places and started selling a "healthy" meal that was "20% less fat!".  Yeah, it was also 20% less in weight, plus they charged an extra buck for it.

My boss got his panties in a bunch when he learned that 40% of all Sick Days are taken on Mondays and Fridays.  

Jeepster47

Botch said:

stlcharcoal said:
One of a famous case studies we read in grad school was when one of the fast food chicken places and started selling a "healthy" meal that was "20% less fat!".  Yeah, it was also 20% less in weight, plus they charged an extra buck for it.

My boss got his panties in a bunch when he learned that 40% of all Sick Days are taken on Mondays and Fridays.  

@Botch ... that's funny. 

However, what's not funny is that I had one guy who had 100% of his sick days on Monday or Friday.

Botch

Jeepster47 said:

However, what's not funny is that I had one guy who had 100% of his sick days on Monday or Friday.

My own ratio is probably closer to 100% than 40%...  Usually a vision problem.  

smokinbutts

I would recommend the Bison Airlighter. I just got mine for Christmas and LOVE it. It runs on butane and has a fan to really get the fire going. 
http://www.amazon.com/Bison-BA001-Airlighter/dp/B00JVWNNWA/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1451621462&sr=8-1&keywords=bison+airlighter

The Cen-Tex Smoker

"a little somfin down below grew 5 inches in one night"

Well, off to home depot. Hope they are open at 11:40PM new years eve. To think I've been buying those gas station supplements all this time.