OT - What are you doing right now?

theyolksonyou

Celebrating 19 yrs of marriage with toilet repair, a 3 mile run(together), soccer practice and enduring relentless, eye watering dog farts. Fun times. 

northGAcock

bgebrent said:

Thinking about @YoukonRon and Suzy. 

He is greatly missed.

tarheelmatt

Drinking beers with Benjamin Franklin. 

DMW

tarheelmatt said:

Drinking beers with Benjamin Franklin. 

theyolksonyou

tarheelmatt said:

Drinking beers with Benjamin Franklin. 

But, you don't drink...

tarheelmatt

theyolksonyou said:

tarheelmatt said:

Drinking beers with Benjamin Franklin. 

But, you don't drink...

Cannot help not to here. I've drank the most here than I have in 7 years. 

tarheelmatt

tarheelmatt said:

theyolksonyou said:

tarheelmatt said:

Drinking beers with Benjamin Franklin. 

But, you don't drink...

Cannot help not to here. I've drank the most here than I have in 7 years. 

I drink one to the guys I'm out with five though. 

tarheelmatt

@theyolksonyou you'd be in heaven.  Open bars every night and food. 

DoubleEgger

Be sure to drink a Samuel Jackson while you're up there @tarheelmatt

tarheelmatt

DoubleEgger said:

Be sure to drink a Samuel Jackson whole you're up there @tarheelmatt

I think I'm done. Leaving tomorrow.  We were at an oyster bar and I ordered a soda. Guys were looking at me a little funny. 

theyolksonyou

Oyster bar and open bar?  I'm in like Flynn. 

theyolksonyou

Two of my very favorite kinds of bars. 

Darby_Crenshaw

nolaegghead said:

pgprescott said:

nolaegghead said:

Darby_Crenshaw said:

The truss comprises 2x4s

top and bottom chords are 2x4s

Although 2x4s are (technically) dimensional lumber, no one would ever confuse them for capital-D Dimensional capital-L Lumber, i.e. Anything you'd use for a floor joist

which means this floor is not framed from 2x4s "on flat" as Nola hastily assumed. Rather it is a floor with truss-joist framing. Which trusses just so happen to be made from 2x4s.  

Which is very different

you can't frame a floor of any significant span with 2x4 dimensional lumber

but you can sure as hell span a decent distance with a truss comprising 2x4s

(ex-architect with a concentration in structural engineering)

I'm thoroughly appreciative of trusses and how they work as a system to be greater than the sum of their parts (compared to being used as components alone, just as joists).

I'm just saying it's the first time I've seen that configuration in particular.  I've seen it with the 2x4s 90 degrees oriented from the picture.  I understand it's easier to nail the diagonals as shown in the picture, just not as strong as it's covered on both sides by flooring and ceiling.

Almost all of this type of truss as well as steel bar joists are made in this general pattern. There are some perpendicular members, but the triangular panel points are key to their design. I don't think it has anything at all to do with ease of assembly, rather it provides the highest strength in relation to the overall weight of the truss or joist. 
 We might be saying the same thing as I'm not 100% sure I understand what you wrote. Sorry if that is the case. Prolly is. 

I am not familiar with that design, but after a quick search, I find it very common for floor joists in a truss configuration.  I was thinking more roof trusses, esp in my local. I'm sure if lateral stability were most important because one or more sides were not covered, it would be superior.  Otherwise if it's covered on both sides by cladding (dry wall, plywood, etc), the long edge perpendicular to the floor/ceiling is stiffer

It has to do with the small dimension, the overall height of the truss

floor truss is not appreciably deep

roof truss?   It makes little difference to turn the top and bottom chords on flat. 

But wtf do i know. Thanks for discovering it for yourself instead of listening to me when i tried to explain it. three times



i won't argue chemistry with you. Don't argue structure with me. Deal?

lateral stability has nothing to do with it by the way. Roof trusses by themselves have no lateral stability. Toof sheathing does that, plus some lateral stuff at the panel points below. 
For floor joists, similar (plywood subfloor).  

You ou typically don't count on trusses for any lateral stability

blasting

northGAcock said:

bgebrent said:

Thinking about @YoukonRon and Suzy. 

He is greatly missed.

What happened with Ron?  I feel like I missed something.

nolaegghead

Darby_Crenshaw said:

nolaegghead said:

pgprescott said:

nolaegghead said:

Darby_Crenshaw said:

The truss comprises 2x4s

top and bottom chords are 2x4s

Although 2x4s are (technically) dimensional lumber, no one would ever confuse them for capital-D Dimensional capital-L Lumber, i.e. Anything you'd use for a floor joist

which means this floor is not framed from 2x4s "on flat" as Nola hastily assumed. Rather it is a floor with truss-joist framing. Which trusses just so happen to be made from 2x4s.  

Which is very different

you can't frame a floor of any significant span with 2x4 dimensional lumber

but you can sure as hell span a decent distance with a truss comprising 2x4s

(ex-architect with a concentration in structural engineering)

I'm thoroughly appreciative of trusses and how they work as a system to be greater than the sum of their parts (compared to being used as components alone, just as joists).

I'm just saying it's the first time I've seen that configuration in particular.  I've seen it with the 2x4s 90 degrees oriented from the picture.  I understand it's easier to nail the diagonals as shown in the picture, just not as strong as it's covered on both sides by flooring and ceiling.

Almost all of this type of truss as well as steel bar joists are made in this general pattern. There are some perpendicular members, but the triangular panel points are key to their design. I don't think it has anything at all to do with ease of assembly, rather it provides the highest strength in relation to the overall weight of the truss or joist. 
 We might be saying the same thing as I'm not 100% sure I understand what you wrote. Sorry if that is the case. Prolly is. 

I am not familiar with that design, but after a quick search, I find it very common for floor joists in a truss configuration.  I was thinking more roof trusses, esp in my local. I'm sure if lateral stability were most important because one or more sides were not covered, it would be superior.  Otherwise if it's covered on both sides by cladding (dry wall, plywood, etc), the long edge perpendicular to the floor/ceiling is stiffer

It has to do with the small dimension, the overall height of the truss

floor truss is not appreciably deep

roof truss?   It makes little difference to turn the top and bottom chords on flat. 

But wtf do i know. Thanks for discovering it for yourself instead of listening to me when i tried to explain it. three times



i won't argue chemistry with you. Don't argue structure with me. Deal?

lateral stability has nothing to do with it by the way. Roof trusses by themselves have no lateral stability. Toof sheathing does that, plus some lateral stuff at the panel points below. 
For floor joists, similar (plywood subfloor).  

You ou typically don't count on trusses for any lateral stability

Didn't consider it an argument (note: emoticon here => ) but I'll take the deal.

I concede it doesn't make any practical difference.  I just try to think things through by extrapolating with as many variables (via asymptote for example) I can think of and maybe visualizing it made of cardboard.  I did note the lack of lateral stability though.

DuckDogDr

Just booked a plane ride home from this awful trip I scheduled to be with my gf and dogs 2 days early

DoubleEgger

blasting said:

northGAcock said:

bgebrent said:

Thinking about @YoukonRon and Suzy. 

He is greatly missed.

What happened with Ron?  I feel like I missed something.

His MIL passed away. Please keep him and Suzy in your thoughts and prayers. 

theyolksonyou

4 HR mtg. Ugh. New engineer trainee report out. 

northGAcock

DoubleEgger said:

blasting said:

northGAcock said:

bgebrent said:

Thinking about @YoukonRon and Suzy. 

He is greatly missed.

What happened with Ron?  I feel like I missed something.

His MIL passed away. Please keep him and Suzy in your thoughts and prayers. 

Funeral was this past Sunday I believe. Look forward to his return soon.

Acn

theyolksonyou said:

4 HR mtg. Ugh. New engineer trainee report out. 

I thought I was going to have a rough morning with a 3 hour product demo.

northGAcock

Spending quality time with American Airlines.....

Jeremiah

Currently trying to understand people. I put a bumper cover on a lady's car. I had it in the shop for 2 days and drove it the length of the shop. It has 170,000 miles on it. But I'M the one that curbed all four of her hub caps. 

kl8ton

Jeremiah said:

Currently trying to understand people. I put a bumper cover on a lady's car. I had it in the shop for 2 days and drove it the length of the shop. It has 170,000 miles on it. But I'M the one that curbed all four of her hub caps. 

Tell her hubcaps suck.  Give her a quote for some nice wheels.

northGAcock

kl8ton said:

Jeremiah said:

Currently trying to understand people. I put a bumper cover on a lady's car. I had it in the shop for 2 days and drove it the length of the shop. It has 170,000 miles on it. But I'M the one that curbed all four of her hub caps. 

Tell her hubcaps suck.  Give her a quote for some nice wheels.

He's got them on his new camper.....

BilZol

Botch said:

BilZol said:

building table....

Details, please; that looks magnificent!  

Thx. This is number three, although number one isn't really done yet. Still long ways to go building drawers and putting on doors. All starting with little piles of steel and bad ideas. 
Once I'm finally done with them I'll prolly put up a better post if people are interested. 

Legume

Edit @Jeremiah

I know people like this, they rationalize as people vs company, so no harm if they just push for something free.  I've made the mistake of referring them to businesses where I know the owner or manager, etc.  That's uncomfortable.

kl8ton

northGAcock said:

kl8ton said:

Jeremiah said:

Currently trying to understand people. I put a bumper cover on a lady's car. I had it in the shop for 2 days and drove it the length of the shop. It has 170,000 miles on it. But I'M the one that curbed all four of her hub caps. 

Tell her hubcaps suck.  Give her a quote for some nice wheels.

He's got them on his new camper.....

I stand by my statement regarding hubcaps.

DoubleEgger

Jeremiah said:

Currently trying to understand people. I put a bumper cover on a lady's car. I had it in the shop for 2 days and drove it the length of the shop. It has 170,000 miles on it. But I'M the one that curbed all four of her hub caps. 

That sucks. I had a vehicle in the shop a while back and they must have taken 50 pics of it before I left it. He said that I wouldn't believe the sh!t folks try to pull these days. 

Jeremiah

It gets very frustrating. Both the headache of trying
to take enough photos and dealing with the dumbasses that want everything for free. Sorry midday rant. I need a beer. 

theyolksonyou

You could building hour four on wet behind the ears 20 somethings report out to senior leadership.