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  • Mark_B_Good
    Mark_B_Good Posts: 1,657
    lousubcap said:
    I will post the speech below as I read it yesterday.  It definitely captured the world stage today and laid bare the challenges ahead.

    Canadian Prime Minister Mark Carney received a standing ovation after his speech yesterday at the World Economic Forum. In contrast to Trump’s bloviation today, Carney’s is well worth reading. Here it is in in full, from the official transcript:

    **

    "Every day we are reminded that we live in an era of great power rivalry. That the rules-based order is fading. That the strong do what they can, and the weak suffer what they must. This aphorism of Thucydides is presented as inevitable — the natural logic of international relations reasserting itself.

    And faced with this logic, there is a strong tendency for countries to go along to get along. To accommodate. To avoid trouble. To hope that compliance will buy safety. It won’t. So, what are our options?

    In 1978, the Czech dissident Václav Havel wrote an essay called The Power of the Powerless. In it, he asked a simple question: how did the communist system sustain itself?

    His answer began with a green grocer. Every morning, this shopkeeper places a sign in his window: “Workers of the world, unite!” He does not believe it. No one believes it. But he places the sign anyway — to avoid trouble, to signal compliance, to get along. And because every shopkeeper on every street does the same, the system persists.

    Not through violence alone, but through the participation of ordinary people in rituals they privately know to be false.

    Havel called this “living within a lie.” The system’s power comes not from its truth but from everyone’s willingness to perform as if it were true. And its fragility comes from the same source: when even one person stops performing — when the greengrocer removes his sign — the illusion begins to crack.

    It is time for companies and countries to take their signs down.

    For decades, countries like Canada prospered under what we called the rules-based international order. We joined its institutions, praised its principles, and benefited from its predictability. We could pursue values-based foreign policies under its protection.

    We knew the story of the international rules-based order was partially false. That the strongest would exempt themselves when convenient. That trade rules were enforced asymmetrically. And that international law applied with varying rigour depending on the identity of the accused or the victim

    This fiction was useful, and American hegemony, in particular, helped provide public goods: open sea lanes, a stable financial system, collective security, and support for frameworks for resolving disputes.

    So, we placed the sign in the window. We participated in the rituals. And largely avoided calling out the gaps between rhetoric and reality.

    This bargain no longer works.

    Let me be direct: we are in the midst of a rupture, not a transition. Over the past two decades, a series of crises in finance, health, energy, and geopolitics laid bare the risks of extreme global integration.

    More recently, great powers began using economic integration as weapons. Tariffs as leverage. Financial infrastructure as coercion. Supply chains as vulnerabilities to be exploited.

    You cannot “live within the lie” of mutual benefit through integration when integration becomes the source of your subordination.

    The multilateral institutions on which middle powers relied— the WTO, the UN, the COP—the architecture of collective problem solving — are greatly diminished.

    As a result, many countries are drawing the same conclusions. They must develop greater strategic autonomy: in energy, food, critical minerals, in finance, and supply chains.

    This impulse is understandable. A country that cannot feed itself, fuel itself, or defend itself has few options. When the rules no longer protect you, you must protect yourself.

    But let us be clear-eyed about where this leads. A world of fortresses will be poorer, more fragile, and less sustainable.

    And there is another truth: If great powers abandon even the pretence of rules and values for the unhindered pursuit of their power and interests, the gains from ‘transactionalism’ become harder to replicate. Hegemons cannot continually monetize their relationships.

    Allies will diversify to hedge against uncertainty. Buy insurance. Increase options. This rebuilds sovereignty — sovereignty which was once grounded in rules—but which will be increasingly anchored in the ability to withstand pressure.

    This classic risk management comes at a price.

    But that cost of strategic autonomy, of sovereignty, can also be shared. Collective investments in resilience are cheaper than everyone building their own fortress.

    Shared standards reduce fragmentation. Complementarities are positive sum.

    The question for middle powers, like Canada, is not whether to adapt to this new reality. We must. The question is whether we adapt by simply building higher walls — or whether we can do something more ambitious.

    Canada was amongst the first to hear the wake-up call, leading us to fundamentally shift our strategic posture.

    Canadians know that our old, comfortable assumption that our geography and alliance memberships automatically conferred prosperity and security is no longer valid.

    Our new approach rests on what Alexander Stubb has termed ‘values-based realism’ — or, to put it another way, we aim to be principled and pragmatic.

    Principled in our commitment to fundamental values: sovereignty and territorial integrity, the prohibition of the use of force except when consistent with the UN Charter, respect for human rights.

    Pragmatic in recognising that progress is often incremental, that interests diverge, that not every partner shares our values. We are engaging broadly, strategically, with open eyes. We actively take on the world as it is, not wait for the world as we wish it to be.

    Canada is calibrating our relationships, so their depth reflects our values. We are prioritising broad engagement to maximise our influence, given the fluidity of the world, the risks that this poses, and the stakes for what comes next.

    We are no longer relying on just the strength of our values, but also on the value of our strength.

    We are building that strength at home.

    Since my government took office, we have cut taxes on incomes, capital gains and business investment, we have removed all federal barriers to interprovincial trade, and we are fast-tracking a trillion dollars of investment in energy, AI, critical minerals, new trade corridors, and beyond.

    We are doubling our defence spending by 2030 and are doing so in ways that builds our domestic industries.

    We are rapidly diversifying abroad. We have agreed a comprehensive strategic partnership with the European Union, including joining SAFE, Europe’s defence procurement arrangements.

    We have signed twelve other trade and security deals on four continents in the last six months. In the past few days, we have concluded new strategic partnerships with China and Qatar. We are negotiating free trade pacts with India, ASEAN, Thailand, Philippines, Mercosur.

    To help solve global problems, we are pursuing variable geometry— different coalitions for different issues, based on values and interests.

    On Ukraine, we are a core member of the Coalition of the Willing and one of the largest per-capita contributors to its defence and security. On Arctic sovereignty, we stand firmly with Greenland and Denmark and fully support their unique right to determine Greenland’s future. Our commitment to Article 5 is unwavering.

    We are working with our NATO allies (including the Nordic Baltic 8) to further secure the alliance’s northern and western flanks, including through unprecedented investments in over-the-horizon radar, submarines, aircraft, and boots on the ground.

    On plurilateral trade, we are championing efforts to build a bridge between the Trans-Pacific Partnership and the European Union, creating a new trading block of 1.5 billion people. On critical minerals, we are forming buyer’s clubs anchored in the G7 so that the world can diversify away from concentrated supply. On AI, we are cooperating with like-minded democracies to ensure we will not ultimately be forced to choose between hegemons and hyperscalers.

    This is not naive multilateralism. Nor is it relying on diminished institutions. It is building the coalitions that work, issue by issue, with partners who share enough common ground to act together. In some cases, this will be the vast majority of nations.

    And it is creating a dense web of connections across trade, investment, culture on which we can draw for future challenges and opportunities.Middle powers must act together because if you are not at the table, you are on the menu.

    Great powers can afford to go it alone. They have the market size, the military capacity, the leverage to dictate terms. Middle powers do not. But when we only negotiate bilaterally with a hegemon, we negotiate from weakness.

    We accept what is offered. We compete with each other to be the most accommodating. This is not sovereignty. It is the performance of sovereignty while accepting subordination.

    In a world of great power rivalry, the countries in between have a choice: to compete with each other for favour or to combine to create a third path with impact.

    We should not allow the rise of hard power to blind us to the fact that the power of legitimacy, integrity, and rules will remain strong — if we choose to wield it together. Which brings me back to Havel. What would it mean for middle powers to “live in truth”?

    It means naming reality. Stop invoking the “rules-based international order” as though it still functions as advertised. Call the system what it is: a period where the most powerful pursue their interests using economic integration as a weapon of coercion.

    It means acting consistently. Apply the same standards to allies and rivals.

    When middle powers criticize economic intimidation from one direction but stay silent when it comes from another, we are keeping the sign in the window. It means building what we claim to believe in. Rather than waiting for the hegemon to restore an order it is dismantling, create institutions and agreements that function as described.

    And it means reducing the leverage that enables coercion. Building a strong domestic economy should always be every government’s priority. Diversification internationally is not just economic prudence; it is the material foundation for honest foreign policy. Countries earn the right to principled stands by reducing their vulnerability to retaliation.

    Canada has what the world wants. We are an energy superpower. We hold vast reserves of critical minerals. We have the most educated population in the world. Our pension funds are amongst the world’s largest and most sophisticated investors. We have capital, talent, and a government with the immense fiscal capacity to act decisively.

    And we have the values to which many others aspire.

    Canada is a pluralistic society that works. Our public square is loud, diverse, and free. Canadians remain committed to sustainability. We are a stable, reliable partner—in a world that is anything but—a partner that builds and values relationships for the long term.

    Canada has something else: a recognition of what is happening and a determination to act accordingly. We understand that this rupture calls for more than adaptation. It calls for honesty about the world as it is. We are taking the sign out of the window.

    The old order is not coming back. We should not mourn it. Nostalgia is not a strategy. But from the fracture, we can build something better, stronger, and more just.

    This is the task of the middle powers, who have the most to lose from a world of fortresses and the most to gain from a world of genuine cooperation.

    The powerful have their power. But we have something too — the capacity to stop pretending, to name reality, to build our strength at home, and to act together.

    That is Canada’s path. We choose it openly and confidently.

    And it is a path wide open to any country willing to take it with us."


    Yeah except his Liberal government blocks the development of a pipeline across the country which will create our own energy sovereignty, and they brought in millions of immigrants pretty much unchecked and now face rampant crime and employment issues, as well as a housing shortage which means you get a CR@P box of a home for $1 million ... it costs $200 a person to go to a half decent restaurant .. and a cellphone here costs $150 per month ... he talks in idologies ... but they don't practice what they preach. We are one of the most resource rich countries in the world, but we live like poorboys ... because they don't know how to do anything to take advantage of our position ... all talk, no action.
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  • Ice Daddy is starting a general international relations body reportedly focused on peace while simultaneously threatening ally states and sowing civil war within the country he leads. 

    🤔🤔🤔
  • Botch
    Botch Posts: 17,418
    edited January 23
    Corruption watch: Members of Trump’s board can obtain “permanent” status by contributing $1 billion in cash within the first year, ABC News reported Tuesday when White House officials were promoting the organization ahead of Davos. Ordinary members will otherwise enjoy “renewable” three-year terms, which dovetails neatly with the conclusion of Trump’s second term in the White House. 
     It’s unclear where exactly the board’s money will go or who will oversee it. One U.S. official told ABC, “Funds will sit only in approved accounts at reputable banks,” and claimed “Oversight is enforced through an Audit & Risk subcommittee and an independent annual external audit with published financials.” It’s also unclear how long Trump will serve as its chairman or what its status will be once he departs the White House.
     
    Probably the same account the sales funds from the first of the Venezuelian oil, pirated by our own military, already sits.  It's in trump's name, a Qatari bank account.  I sure wish the mainstream news would give this some light...

    Happiness is a Size-Tall toilet.  

    Ogden, UT, USA


  • JohnInCarolina
    JohnInCarolina Posts: 34,939

    "I've made a note never to piss you two off." - Stike

    "The truth is, these are not very bright guys, and things got out of hand." - Deep Throat
  • Canugghead
    Canugghead Posts: 13,869
    edited January 24
    brought in millions of immigrants pretty much unchecked and now face rampant crime and employment issues

    sounds like Biden 2.0
    ;) 

    Edit: Define immigrants.
    canuckland
  • lousubcap
    lousubcap Posts: 37,066

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    Insights, analysis and must reads from CNN's Fareed Zakaria and the Global Public Square team, compiled by Global Briefing editor Chris Good 

    January 24, 2026

    Fareed: Trump Shows 

    How Not to Lead

    The Greenland saga has proven something yet again, Fareed argues in his latest Washington Post column: President Donald Trump does not know how to lead on the world stage. 
     
    Fareed writes: “‘When I asked a senior European leader whether there was relief that Trump had stepped back from the threat of military action [to seize Greenland], he said yes. ‘But we’ve now seen a pattern in his dealings with us,’ the leader said. ‘He treats us with contempt. And even if this crisis gets resolved, we will remember.’”

    Trump’s transactional approach to leadership involves squeezing anyone he can, Fareed writes. That’s fundamentally counterproductive, Fareed argues, and it’s not how past US statesmen have succeeded. In the past, US presidents have gained credibility—and legitimacy for US global leadership—by exercising restraint and showing respect. FDR did not make Churchill and Stalin beg him for help in World War II; instead, wheelchair-bound and gravely ill, he traveled to conferences in Casablanca, Tehran and Yalta to meet them as equals. As the Berlin Wall fell, George H.W. Bush intentionally avoided triumphalism, as it would only alienate Moscow and the Soviet countries the US would need to work with. In recent decades, the US courted India as a geopolitical ally despite its relative poverty, and the respectful approach worked.
     
    In seeking to annex Greenland, Trump behaved in the opposite way. “He has taught America’s allies a lesson,” Fareed writes. “They will still work with Washington—because power is real. But they will trust it less, hedge more and quietly plan for a world in which America no longer leads by lifting others up, but by reminding them they can be squeezed.”

    Louisville; Rolling smoke in the neighbourhood.  Life is too short for light/lite beer!  Seems I'm livin in a transitional period. CHEETO (aka Agent Orange) makes Nixon look like a saint.  
  • dbCooper
    dbCooper Posts: 2,685
    If you're holed up due to the weather, this long read may give those outside the USA (those inside too, perhaps) some glimmers of hope for slowing down American imperialism.  The proposed solution is centered around transferring monies from the evil internet monopolists in the US to the countries from which they're extracting those monies.  A secondary benefit is the de-enshittification of the internet.

    The paper is written by gifted Canadian Cory Doctorow and can be found here . . .

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    Great Plains, USA
  • Braggart
    Braggart Posts: 269
    lousubcap said:
    I will post the speech below as I read it yesterday.  It definitely captured the world stage today and laid bare the challenges ahead.

    Canadian Prime Minister Mark Carney received a standing ovation after his speech yesterday at the World Economic Forum. In contrast to Trump’s bloviation today, Carney’s is well worth reading. Here it is in in full, from the official transcript:

    **

    "Every day we are reminded that we live in an era of great power rivalry. That the rules-based order is fading. That the strong do what they can, and the weak suffer what they must. This aphorism of Thucydides is presented as inevitable — the natural logic of international relations reasserting itself.

    And faced with this logic, there is a strong tendency for countries to go along to get along. To accommodate. To avoid trouble. To hope that compliance will buy safety. It won’t. So, what are our options?

    In 1978, the Czech dissident Václav Havel wrote an essay called The Power of the Powerless. In it, he asked a simple question: how did the communist system sustain itself?

    His answer began with a green grocer. Every morning, this shopkeeper places a sign in his window: “Workers of the world, unite!” He does not believe it. No one believes it. But he places the sign anyway — to avoid trouble, to signal compliance, to get along. And because every shopkeeper on every street does the same, the system persists.

    Not through violence alone, but through the participation of ordinary people in rituals they privately know to be false.

    Havel called this “living within a lie.” The system’s power comes not from its truth but from everyone’s willingness to perform as if it were true. And its fragility comes from the same source: when even one person stops performing — when the greengrocer removes his sign — the illusion begins to crack.

    It is time for companies and countries to take their signs down.

    For decades, countries like Canada prospered under what we called the rules-based international order. We joined its institutions, praised its principles, and benefited from its predictability. We could pursue values-based foreign policies under its protection.

    We knew the story of the international rules-based order was partially false. That the strongest would exempt themselves when convenient. That trade rules were enforced asymmetrically. And that international law applied with varying rigour depending on the identity of the accused or the victim

    This fiction was useful, and American hegemony, in particular, helped provide public goods: open sea lanes, a stable financial system, collective security, and support for frameworks for resolving disputes.

    So, we placed the sign in the window. We participated in the rituals. And largely avoided calling out the gaps between rhetoric and reality.

    This bargain no longer works.

    Let me be direct: we are in the midst of a rupture, not a transition. Over the past two decades, a series of crises in finance, health, energy, and geopolitics laid bare the risks of extreme global integration.

    More recently, great powers began using economic integration as weapons. Tariffs as leverage. Financial infrastructure as coercion. Supply chains as vulnerabilities to be exploited.

    You cannot “live within the lie” of mutual benefit through integration when integration becomes the source of your subordination.

    The multilateral institutions on which middle powers relied— the WTO, the UN, the COP—the architecture of collective problem solving — are greatly diminished.

    As a result, many countries are drawing the same conclusions. They must develop greater strategic autonomy: in energy, food, critical minerals, in finance, and supply chains.

    This impulse is understandable. A country that cannot feed itself, fuel itself, or defend itself has few options. When the rules no longer protect you, you must protect yourself.

    But let us be clear-eyed about where this leads. A world of fortresses will be poorer, more fragile, and less sustainable.

    And there is another truth: If great powers abandon even the pretence of rules and values for the unhindered pursuit of their power and interests, the gains from ‘transactionalism’ become harder to replicate. Hegemons cannot continually monetize their relationships.

    Allies will diversify to hedge against uncertainty. Buy insurance. Increase options. This rebuilds sovereignty — sovereignty which was once grounded in rules—but which will be increasingly anchored in the ability to withstand pressure.

    This classic risk management comes at a price.

    But that cost of strategic autonomy, of sovereignty, can also be shared. Collective investments in resilience are cheaper than everyone building their own fortress.

    Shared standards reduce fragmentation. Complementarities are positive sum.

    The question for middle powers, like Canada, is not whether to adapt to this new reality. We must. The question is whether we adapt by simply building higher walls — or whether we can do something more ambitious.

    Canada was amongst the first to hear the wake-up call, leading us to fundamentally shift our strategic posture.

    Canadians know that our old, comfortable assumption that our geography and alliance memberships automatically conferred prosperity and security is no longer valid.

    Our new approach rests on what Alexander Stubb has termed ‘values-based realism’ — or, to put it another way, we aim to be principled and pragmatic.

    Principled in our commitment to fundamental values: sovereignty and territorial integrity, the prohibition of the use of force except when consistent with the UN Charter, respect for human rights.

    Pragmatic in recognising that progress is often incremental, that interests diverge, that not every partner shares our values. We are engaging broadly, strategically, with open eyes. We actively take on the world as it is, not wait for the world as we wish it to be.

    Canada is calibrating our relationships, so their depth reflects our values. We are prioritising broad engagement to maximise our influence, given the fluidity of the world, the risks that this poses, and the stakes for what comes next.

    We are no longer relying on just the strength of our values, but also on the value of our strength.

    We are building that strength at home.

    Since my government took office, we have cut taxes on incomes, capital gains and business investment, we have removed all federal barriers to interprovincial trade, and we are fast-tracking a trillion dollars of investment in energy, AI, critical minerals, new trade corridors, and beyond.

    We are doubling our defence spending by 2030 and are doing so in ways that builds our domestic industries.

    We are rapidly diversifying abroad. We have agreed a comprehensive strategic partnership with the European Union, including joining SAFE, Europe’s defence procurement arrangements.

    We have signed twelve other trade and security deals on four continents in the last six months. In the past few days, we have concluded new strategic partnerships with China and Qatar. We are negotiating free trade pacts with India, ASEAN, Thailand, Philippines, Mercosur.

    To help solve global problems, we are pursuing variable geometry— different coalitions for different issues, based on values and interests.

    On Ukraine, we are a core member of the Coalition of the Willing and one of the largest per-capita contributors to its defence and security. On Arctic sovereignty, we stand firmly with Greenland and Denmark and fully support their unique right to determine Greenland’s future. Our commitment to Article 5 is unwavering.

    We are working with our NATO allies (including the Nordic Baltic 8) to further secure the alliance’s northern and western flanks, including through unprecedented investments in over-the-horizon radar, submarines, aircraft, and boots on the ground.

    On plurilateral trade, we are championing efforts to build a bridge between the Trans-Pacific Partnership and the European Union, creating a new trading block of 1.5 billion people. On critical minerals, we are forming buyer’s clubs anchored in the G7 so that the world can diversify away from concentrated supply. On AI, we are cooperating with like-minded democracies to ensure we will not ultimately be forced to choose between hegemons and hyperscalers.

    This is not naive multilateralism. Nor is it relying on diminished institutions. It is building the coalitions that work, issue by issue, with partners who share enough common ground to act together. In some cases, this will be the vast majority of nations.

    And it is creating a dense web of connections across trade, investment, culture on which we can draw for future challenges and opportunities.Middle powers must act together because if you are not at the table, you are on the menu.

    Great powers can afford to go it alone. They have the market size, the military capacity, the leverage to dictate terms. Middle powers do not. But when we only negotiate bilaterally with a hegemon, we negotiate from weakness.

    We accept what is offered. We compete with each other to be the most accommodating. This is not sovereignty. It is the performance of sovereignty while accepting subordination.

    In a world of great power rivalry, the countries in between have a choice: to compete with each other for favour or to combine to create a third path with impact.

    We should not allow the rise of hard power to blind us to the fact that the power of legitimacy, integrity, and rules will remain strong — if we choose to wield it together. Which brings me back to Havel. What would it mean for middle powers to “live in truth”?

    It means naming reality. Stop invoking the “rules-based international order” as though it still functions as advertised. Call the system what it is: a period where the most powerful pursue their interests using economic integration as a weapon of coercion.

    It means acting consistently. Apply the same standards to allies and rivals.

    When middle powers criticize economic intimidation from one direction but stay silent when it comes from another, we are keeping the sign in the window. It means building what we claim to believe in. Rather than waiting for the hegemon to restore an order it is dismantling, create institutions and agreements that function as described.

    And it means reducing the leverage that enables coercion. Building a strong domestic economy should always be every government’s priority. Diversification internationally is not just economic prudence; it is the material foundation for honest foreign policy. Countries earn the right to principled stands by reducing their vulnerability to retaliation.

    Canada has what the world wants. We are an energy superpower. We hold vast reserves of critical minerals. We have the most educated population in the world. Our pension funds are amongst the world’s largest and most sophisticated investors. We have capital, talent, and a government with the immense fiscal capacity to act decisively.

    And we have the values to which many others aspire.

    Canada is a pluralistic society that works. Our public square is loud, diverse, and free. Canadians remain committed to sustainability. We are a stable, reliable partner—in a world that is anything but—a partner that builds and values relationships for the long term.

    Canada has something else: a recognition of what is happening and a determination to act accordingly. We understand that this rupture calls for more than adaptation. It calls for honesty about the world as it is. We are taking the sign out of the window.

    The old order is not coming back. We should not mourn it. Nostalgia is not a strategy. But from the fracture, we can build something better, stronger, and more just.

    This is the task of the middle powers, who have the most to lose from a world of fortresses and the most to gain from a world of genuine cooperation.

    The powerful have their power. But we have something too — the capacity to stop pretending, to name reality, to build our strength at home, and to act together.

    That is Canada’s path. We choose it openly and confidently.

    And it is a path wide open to any country willing to take it with us."


    Yeah except his Liberal government blocks the development of a pipeline across the country which will create our own energy sovereignty, and they brought in millions of immigrants pretty much unchecked and now face rampant crime and employment issues, as well as a housing shortage which means you get a CR@P box of a home for $1 million ... it costs $200 a person to go to a half decent restaurant .. and a cellphone here costs $150 per month ... he talks in idologies ... but they don't practice what they preach. We are one of the most resource rich countries in the world, but we live like poorboys ... because they don't know how to do anything to take advantage of our position ... all talk, no action.
    What he said.  With spades.

    Carney.   Meet the new boss, just like the old boss.  He's a shuckster, a carnival huckster.  He ruined the UK and now he's pulling a paycheck from Canada and going down the same path.

    Personally I have no clue what to do about Cheeto, but I can say this with a fact...poking the bear with nothing to back you up will only get you trouble.

    I genuinely fear for my country.
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  • JohnInCarolina
    JohnInCarolina Posts: 34,939

    "I've made a note never to piss you two off." - Stike

    "The truth is, these are not very bright guys, and things got out of hand." - Deep Throat
  • JohnInCarolina
    JohnInCarolina Posts: 34,939


    Hard to know who to believe here: the government, or our own eyes.
    "I've made a note never to piss you two off." - Stike

    "The truth is, these are not very bright guys, and things got out of hand." - Deep Throat
  • JohnInCarolina
    JohnInCarolina Posts: 34,939

    "I've made a note never to piss you two off." - Stike

    "The truth is, these are not very bright guys, and things got out of hand." - Deep Throat
  • Canugghead
    Canugghead Posts: 13,869
    Stupid, they should have wore masks.
    canuckland
  • fishlessman
    fishlessman Posts: 34,718
    brought in millions of immigrants pretty much unchecked and now face rampant crime and employment issues

    sounds like Biden 2.0 ;) 

    Edit: Define immigrants.
    Canadians? 
    fukahwee maine

    you can lead a fish to water but you can not make him drink it
  • Canugghead
    Canugghead Posts: 13,869
    Canadians that don't look like you.
    canuckland
  • lousubcap
    lousubcap Posts: 37,066
    From 
    Defense One The D Brief
    The raids in Minnesota appear to be more about instilling compliance rather than deporting immigrants. Consider: Texas is reported to have just over 2 million undocumented immigrants, and Florida is believed to have about 1.6 million, according to 2023 data from the Pew Research Center. But Minnesota, which did not vote for Trump in the last three elections, had only about 130,000. Yet it’s Minnesota where DHS sent more than 2,000 federal agents on its aggressive deportation blitz, “Operation Metro Surge” in December 2025.  
    Louisville; Rolling smoke in the neighbourhood.  Life is too short for light/lite beer!  Seems I'm livin in a transitional period. CHEETO (aka Agent Orange) makes Nixon look like a saint.  
  • JohnInCarolina
    JohnInCarolina Posts: 34,939

    "I've made a note never to piss you two off." - Stike

    "The truth is, these are not very bright guys, and things got out of hand." - Deep Throat
  • JohnInCarolina
    JohnInCarolina Posts: 34,939
    When you’ve lost the catbongo guys…


    "I've made a note never to piss you two off." - Stike

    "The truth is, these are not very bright guys, and things got out of hand." - Deep Throat
  • JohnInCarolina
    JohnInCarolina Posts: 34,939
    I'm sure Homan will put a stop to all of this, right?


    "I've made a note never to piss you two off." - Stike

    "The truth is, these are not very bright guys, and things got out of hand." - Deep Throat
  • DoubleEgger
    DoubleEgger Posts: 19,260
    I'm sure Homan will put a stop to all of this, right?


    Maybe if someone hands him another bag with $50,000 cash inside. 
  • Botch
    Botch Posts: 17,418
    Is there not any way to identify ICE agents via the airlines?  and a way to detain them (great use for the states' Nat'l Guard?) as they deplane, before they get to baggage collection, and confiscate their gun cases and luggage, and go thru it for evidence?  
    That might be illegal, and even unconstitutional, but neither have stopped the ice brownshirts and their cult leaders to date.  Responding via violence in the street is not the right way to stop them... could this be?  

    Happiness is a Size-Tall toilet.  

    Ogden, UT, USA


  • lousubcap
    lousubcap Posts: 37,066
    Talk about overreach...Where does the US gubmint think we can roll in with ICE agents as overseas protection details?  ICE usurping the role of the Secret Service?  WTF-

    Louisville; Rolling smoke in the neighbourhood.  Life is too short for light/lite beer!  Seems I'm livin in a transitional period. CHEETO (aka Agent Orange) makes Nixon look like a saint.  
  • DoubleEgger
    DoubleEgger Posts: 19,260
    edited January 28
    Just a reminder that this is the WINTER Olympics. Good luck. 


  • DoubleEgger
    DoubleEgger Posts: 19,260


    gun nuts out protesting ICE is not something I had in my 2026 Bingo card, but I’ll take it 
    Fascism touches everyone at some point. 
  • JohnInCarolina
    JohnInCarolina Posts: 34,939
    "I've made a note never to piss you two off." - Stike

    "The truth is, these are not very bright guys, and things got out of hand." - Deep Throat
  • Ike
    Ike Posts: 407
    Hey...protest music was the beginning of the end of the Vietnam war and I still remember a lot of them.
    Owensboro, KY.  First Eggin' 4/12/08.  Large, small, 22" Blackstone and lotsa goodies.