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  • DoubleEgger
    DoubleEgger Posts: 19,131
    JohnInCarolina said:
    Ozzie_Isaac said:
    Could they vote to remove the filibuster, pass whatever they need, then immediately reinstate the filibuster?
    They can do whatever they want.  The majority party is free to set the rules in the chamber.  They don’t need 60 votes to make rule changes.
    These lifetime politicians know that there will come a time when they are not in the majority. Breaking the filibuster is like mutual assured destruction during the Cold War just not simultaneously. 
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  • JohnInCarolina
    JohnInCarolina Posts: 34,646
    DoubleEgger said:
    JohnInCarolina said:
    Ozzie_Isaac said:
    Could they vote to remove the filibuster, pass whatever they need, then immediately reinstate the filibuster?
    They can do whatever they want.  The majority party is free to set the rules in the chamber.  They don’t need 60 votes to make rule changes.
    These lifetime politicians know that there will come a time when they are not in the majority. Breaking the filibuster is like mutual assured destruction during the Cold War just not simultaneously. 
    We might as well already be there if the alternative is a shutdown that lasts in perpetuity.

    Much of the argument for the filibuster hinges on whether or not you believe real compromise between the two parties is likely.  If you don’t think it is, then all we’re going to be looking at is one shutdown after another.  
    "I've made a note never to piss you two off." - Stike

    "The truth is, these are not very bright guys, and things got out of hand." - Deep Throat
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  • Ozzie_Isaac
    Ozzie_Isaac Posts: 21,622
    edited November 9
    It’s almost like the shutdown and the antics don’t actually impact any of our elected officials?  I think we should make a constitutional change that says “any shutdown that lasts more than 10 days will
    result in every politician being removed during next election, mid-term or main-term without an option to seek any elected office again”

    we can add other bad behavior that results in immmediate removal - maybe add in a special yearly election if necessary.

    There is a significant overlap between the smartest bears and the dumbest humans - Park Ranger designing bear proof trash cans.

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  • JohnInCarolina
    JohnInCarolina Posts: 34,646
    Ozzie_Isaac said:
    It’s almost like the shutdown and the antics don’t actually impact any of our elected officials?  I think we should make a constitutional change that says “any shutdown that lasts more than 10 days will
    result in every politician being removed during next election, mid-term or main-term without an option to seek any elected office again”
    Good luck overcoming the filibuster to get that passed, lol.
    "I've made a note never to piss you two off." - Stike

    "The truth is, these are not very bright guys, and things got out of hand." - Deep Throat
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  • fishlessman
    fishlessman Posts: 34,541
    Ozzie_Isaac said:
    Could they vote to remove the filibuster, pass whatever they need, then immediately reinstate the filibuster?
    Pass the bill.  End Obama care. Cut snap in half. Add more conservative judges to the supreme court. Why not make Donald a king......just so Schumer doesn't have to back down =)
    fukahwee maine

    you can lead a fish to water but you can not make him drink it
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  • Ozzie_Isaac
    Ozzie_Isaac Posts: 21,622
    fishlessman said:
    Ozzie_Isaac said:
    Could they vote to remove the filibuster, pass whatever they need, then immediately reinstate the filibuster?
    Pass the bill.  End Obama care. Cut snap in half. Add more conservative judges to the supreme court. Why not make Donald a king......just so Schumer doesn't have to back down =)
    Cure worse than the disease.

    JohnInCarolina said:
    Ozzie_Isaac said:
    It’s almost like the shutdown and the antics don’t actually impact any of our elected officials?  I think we should make a constitutional change that says “any shutdown that lasts more than 10 days will
    result in every politician being removed during next election, mid-term or main-term without an option to seek any elected office again”
    Good luck overcoming the filibuster to get that passed, lol.
    Yeah, looks like citizens are kind of screwed with the current rules.  Unfortunate that they can really act with impunity.

    https://www.trumanlibrary.gov/education/three-branches/amendment-process

    There is a significant overlap between the smartest bears and the dumbest humans - Park Ranger designing bear proof trash cans.

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  • JohnInCarolina
    JohnInCarolina Posts: 34,646
    fishlessman said:
    Ozzie_Isaac said:
    Could they vote to remove the filibuster, pass whatever they need, then immediately reinstate the filibuster?
    Pass the bill.  End Obama care. Cut snap in half. Add more conservative judges to the supreme court. Why not make Donald a king......just so Schumer doesn't have to back down =)
    They don’t have a majority of votes to likely do any of that, with the possible exception of ending Obamacare.  

    As for making Trump a king, it’s not like he has much of any friction at the moment.  How would it look any different?

    We are in an interesting spot, where either GOP Senators back down to Trump and nuke the filibuster, or Dems back down and give up their fight for extending subsidies.  Who backs down first?  (my bet is the Dems, fwiw)
    "I've made a note never to piss you two off." - Stike

    "The truth is, these are not very bright guys, and things got out of hand." - Deep Throat
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  • fishlessman
    fishlessman Posts: 34,541
    JohnInCarolina said:
    fishlessman said:
    Ozzie_Isaac said:
    Could they vote to remove the filibuster, pass whatever they need, then immediately reinstate the filibuster?
    Pass the bill.  End Obama care. Cut snap in half. Add more conservative judges to the supreme court. Why not make Donald a king......just so Schumer doesn't have to back down =)
    They don’t have a majority of votes to likely do any of that, with the possible exception of ending Obamacare.  

    As for making Trump a king, it’s not like he has much of any friction at the moment.  How would it look any different?

    We are in an interesting spot, where either GOP Senators back down to Trump and nuke the filibuster, or Dems back down and give up their fight for extending subsidies.  Who backs down first?  (my bet is the Dems, fwiw)
    Well they are the minority.....
    fukahwee maine

    you can lead a fish to water but you can not make him drink it
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  • JohnInCarolina
    JohnInCarolina Posts: 34,646
    fishlessman said:
    JohnInCarolina said:
    fishlessman said:
    Ozzie_Isaac said:
    Could they vote to remove the filibuster, pass whatever they need, then immediately reinstate the filibuster?
    Pass the bill.  End Obama care. Cut snap in half. Add more conservative judges to the supreme court. Why not make Donald a king......just so Schumer doesn't have to back down =)
    They don’t have a majority of votes to likely do any of that, with the possible exception of ending Obamacare.  

    As for making Trump a king, it’s not like he has much of any friction at the moment.  How would it look any different?

    We are in an interesting spot, where either GOP Senators back down to Trump and nuke the filibuster, or Dems back down and give up their fight for extending subsidies.  Who backs down first?  (my bet is the Dems, fwiw)
    Well they are the minority.....
    They are!  And you know what the minority can do when the filibuster is in place?  Quite a bit, if you believe it should stay there.
    "I've made a note never to piss you two off." - Stike

    "The truth is, these are not very bright guys, and things got out of hand." - Deep Throat
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  • Canugghead
    Canugghead Posts: 13,622
    https://youtu.be/WIdykmhdmTY?si=55FVpWVVrdWMxFxa
    canuckland
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  • fishlessman
    fishlessman Posts: 34,541
    JohnInCarolina said:
    fishlessman said:
    JohnInCarolina said:
    fishlessman said:
    Ozzie_Isaac said:
    Could they vote to remove the filibuster, pass whatever they need, then immediately reinstate the filibuster?
    Pass the bill.  End Obama care. Cut snap in half. Add more conservative judges to the supreme court. Why not make Donald a king......just so Schumer doesn't have to back down =)
    They don’t have a majority of votes to likely do any of that, with the possible exception of ending Obamacare.  

    As for making Trump a king, it’s not like he has much of any friction at the moment.  How would it look any different?

    We are in an interesting spot, where either GOP Senators back down to Trump and nuke the filibuster, or Dems back down and give up their fight for extending subsidies.  Who backs down first?  (my bet is the Dems, fwiw)
    Well they are the minority.....
    They are!  And you know what the minority can do when the filibuster is in place?  Quite a bit, if you believe it should stay there.
    Trump 2.0.....season 1. Episode41.......jic commits to agree with TRUMP :D
    fukahwee maine

    you can lead a fish to water but you can not make him drink it
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  • JohnInCarolina
    JohnInCarolina Posts: 34,646
    To be clear, I’d much rather the two parties come together and negotiate, come to some sort of compromise. I just don’t see that happening anytime soon.  
    "I've made a note never to piss you two off." - Stike

    "The truth is, these are not very bright guys, and things got out of hand." - Deep Throat
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  • Gulfcoastguy
    Gulfcoastguy Posts: 7,316
    What compromise? Democrats passed the extra Covid supplements with a defined expiration date and without a single Republican vote. There is no thing so permanent as a temporary spending bill it seems.
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  • lousubcap
    lousubcap Posts: 36,652
    While likely a third tier discussion point here, once this gets sorted out then someone with some stones needs to propose and sheperd a bill that says that when the gubmint is shutdown no one in Congress gets paid.  
    Let's see who will step up.  

    Spoiler alert: not one of them.
    Louisville; Rolling smoke in the neighbourhood.  Life is too short for light/lite beer!  Seems I'm livin in a transitional period. CHEETO (aka Agent Orange) makes Nixon look like a saint.  
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  • fishlessman
    fishlessman Posts: 34,541
    lousubcap said:
    While likely a third tier discussion point here, once this gets sorted out then someone with some stones needs to propose and sheperd a bill that says that when the gubmint is shutdown no one in Congress gets paid.  
    Let's see who will step up.  

    Spoiler alert: not one of them.
    The Hillary made 300 mil in Congress.......
    fukahwee maine

    you can lead a fish to water but you can not make him drink it
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  • JohnInCarolina
    JohnInCarolina Posts: 34,646
    Gulfcoastguy said:
    What compromise? Democrats passed the extra Covid supplements with a defined expiration date and without a single Republican vote. There is no thing so permanent as a temporary spending bill it seems.
    And yet the filibuster remains intact.  Go figure.
    "I've made a note never to piss you two off." - Stike

    "The truth is, these are not very bright guys, and things got out of hand." - Deep Throat
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  • Gulfcoastguy
    Gulfcoastguy Posts: 7,316
    JohnInCarolina said:
    Gulfcoastguy said:
    What compromise? Democrats passed the extra Covid supplements with a defined expiration date and without a single Republican vote. There is no thing so permanent as a temporary spending bill it seems.
    And yet the filibuster remains intact.  Go figure.
    As I said some Republicans remember when they used the filibuster. But I think you know that.
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  • JohnInCarolina
    JohnInCarolina Posts: 34,646
    Gulfcoastguy said:
    JohnInCarolina said:
    Gulfcoastguy said:
    What compromise? Democrats passed the extra Covid supplements with a defined expiration date and without a single Republican vote. There is no thing so permanent as a temporary spending bill it seems.
    And yet the filibuster remains intact.  Go figure.
    As I said some Republicans remember when they used the filibuster. But I think you know that.
    I know the Democrats followed the rules when they passed the subsidies.  They are the very same rules the Republicans are operating under.   Totally up to them as to whether or not they keep them.
    "I've made a note never to piss you two off." - Stike

    "The truth is, these are not very bright guys, and things got out of hand." - Deep Throat
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  • Ozzie_Isaac
    Ozzie_Isaac Posts: 21,622
    lousubcap said:
    While likely a third tier discussion point here, once this gets sorted out then someone with some stones needs to propose and sheperd a bill that says that when the gubmint is shutdown no one in Congress gets paid.  
    Let's see who will step up.  

    Spoiler alert: not one of them.
    And no back pay and they forfeit all non-government pay for the a rolling 12 months starting the day the shutdown starts.  Add 2 days for every 1 day the shutdown lasts.

    There is a significant overlap between the smartest bears and the dumbest humans - Park Ranger designing bear proof trash cans.

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  • Gulfcoastguy
    Gulfcoastguy Posts: 7,316
    I think that of all the money that they make while in office their salary is like the change found behind sofa cushions. There are speaker fees, stock investments right before a key vote, book deals, all directly or at one remove through relatives. Not calling out any particular names.
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  • Ozzie_Isaac
    Ozzie_Isaac Posts: 21,622
    Gulfcoastguy said:
    I think that of all the money that they make while in office their salary is like the change found behind sofa cushions. There are speaker fees, stock investments right before a key vote, book deals, all directly or at one remove through relatives. Not calling out any particular names.
    Exactly, this why they need to forfeit any and all income.  And not for the same
    duration as the shutdown, the bribes will just be delayed a few weeks.

    There is a significant overlap between the smartest bears and the dumbest humans - Park Ranger designing bear proof trash cans.

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  • JohnInCarolina
    JohnInCarolina Posts: 34,646
    Back on topic:


    "I've made a note never to piss you two off." - Stike

    "The truth is, these are not very bright guys, and things got out of hand." - Deep Throat
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  • Buckwoody Egger
    Buckwoody Egger Posts: 1,466
    Buckwoody Egger said:
    looking forward to everyone’s plan in, what, two weeks?
    it’s been an interesting couple of weeks on the front page.  

    highlights include “hey look at this dog turd I found, picked up and would like you to also smell and agree it stinks” and “what if we could extend the trump ‘not taking a salary but look at all my untraceable income that i actually brag about’ to all politicians”

    some great cooks have been accomplished alongside. however. hope everyone’s doing well. 
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  • DieselkW
    DieselkW Posts: 915
    edited November 11
    As far as legislation to prevent future budget stalemates:
    "No one leaves the House Chamber or the Senate Chamber until a budget is passed". These wealthy privileged punks think we work for them. That is not the case and they obviously need a stern reminder that they are government SERVICE workers.

    After that, legislation to make taking bribes a felony is appropriate.

    Indianapolis, IN

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    Drive a few hundred miles in any direction, and the experience changes dramatically. 



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  • DoubleEgger
    DoubleEgger Posts: 19,131
    DieselkW said:
    As far as legislation to prevent future budget stalemates:
    "No one leaves the House Chamber or the Senate Chamber until a budget is passed". These wealthy privileged punks think we work for them. That is not the case and they obviously need a stern reminder that they are government SERVICE workers.

    After that, legislation to make taking bribes a felony is appropriate.
    Laws don’t mean much when the branch of government charged with enforcing them is complicit. 


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  • DieselkW
    DieselkW Posts: 915
    DoubleEgger said:
    DieselkW said:
    As far as legislation to prevent future budget stalemates:
    "No one leaves the House Chamber or the Senate Chamber until a budget is passed". These wealthy privileged punks think we work for them. That is not the case and they obviously need a stern reminder that they are government SERVICE workers.

    After that, legislation to make taking bribes a felony is appropriate.
    Laws don’t mean much when the branch of government charged with enforcing them is complicit. 


    Federal law enforcement reports to the Executive branch, which changes every 4-8 years. Felonies are forever.

    Indianapolis, IN

    BBQ is a celebration of culture in America. It is the closest thing we have to the wines and cheeses of Europe. 

    Drive a few hundred miles in any direction, and the experience changes dramatically. 



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  • fishlessman
    fishlessman Posts: 34,541
    chuckles seems to be having a great start to the week......
    fukahwee maine

    you can lead a fish to water but you can not make him drink it
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  • DoubleEgger
    DoubleEgger Posts: 19,131
    DieselkW said:
    DoubleEgger said:
    DieselkW said:
    As far as legislation to prevent future budget stalemates:
    "No one leaves the House Chamber or the Senate Chamber until a budget is passed". These wealthy privileged punks think we work for them. That is not the case and they obviously need a stern reminder that they are government SERVICE workers.

    After that, legislation to make taking bribes a felony is appropriate.
    Laws don’t mean much when the branch of government charged with enforcing them is complicit. 


    Federal law enforcement reports to the Executive branch, which changes every 4-8 years. Felonies are forever.
    Unless Trump decides to preemptively pardon everyone that worked for him. That is a very likely scenario in my opinion. He’ll claim he’s stopping the witch hunt for the good of the country. 
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  • JohnInCarolina
    JohnInCarolina Posts: 34,646
    fishlessman said:
    chuckles seems to be having a great start to the week......
    Perhaps everyone here, on both sides of the aisle, can agree that Schumer needs to go.
    "I've made a note never to piss you two off." - Stike

    "The truth is, these are not very bright guys, and things got out of hand." - Deep Throat
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  • fishlessman
    fishlessman Posts: 34,541
    JohnInCarolina said:
    fishlessman said:
    chuckles seems to be having a great start to the week......
    Perhaps everyone here, on both sides of the aisle, can agree that Schumer needs to go.

    the big question i see is who and when. i dont see things change in the short term til midterms happen next year. the seat is a hot potato 
    fukahwee maine

    you can lead a fish to water but you can not make him drink it
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