Alligator Alcatraz

JohnInCarolina · July 1

This is a concentration camp by any other name:

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cm2zzdmrd9qo

We are in a very bad, no good place my friends.

SGH · July 1

It is no such thing and you know it. It's simply a very nice, modern holding facility to hold Illegal terrorists, miscreants, gangsters and law breakers while waiting on a free ride back to where they came from. To compare this to Auschwitz-Birkenau, Treblinka, Bergen Belsen, Sobibor or any other such horrific place is an absolute insult to the people who went through the holocaust. It's not even close. This is what is wrong with the world today. The fact that anyone would make that comparison is absolutely asinine. Millions were tortured, raped, beaten and killed in the holocaust for no reason. The people that are headed for AA get free food and a free ride back to where they illegally came from. It's nowhere near the same thing. The people that went through the holocaust was forcefully robbed of their homes and belongings, separated from family and took to a different place against their will. Starved, tortured, beaten, raped, robbed and ultimately killed for no reason.
The people going to AA had a choice. They chose to break the law. Their first official act here was a crime. They chose to come illegally. The people that endured the holocaust had no choice whatsoever. They were innocent. The people going to AA is at bare minimum guilty. Big difference all the way around in my humble opinion. Maybe it's just me but this is not in the same stratosphere as the holocaust. Not even close. I think I am finally starting to truly understand what the great Udo Dirkschneider meant when he said: "The eyes are useless when the mind is blind and/or liberal". The comparison of AA to the holocaust more than proves his point.

SGH · July 1

With just a quick search Google estimates that 85 million people died in WWII. Over 6 million died in the death camps. AA is nowhere near the tragedy of the holocaust.

SGH · July 1

I said my peace. Of course im just a backwoods, tobacco chewing, uneducated redneck so what do i know. I tell you one thing i know for sure without question or doubt, AA is no comparison to Auschwitz-Birkenau or Bergen-Belsen. That is simply a fact.

Legume · July 1

Broaden your horizons @SGH

It's always the nazis with you guys, tip of the tongue kind of defensive reflex.

Some examples below that are not the nazis, courtesy of somebody's' AI digesting the internet.

British Empire:

• Second Boer War (1899-1902): The British established camps in South Africa to detain Boer civilians, where poor conditions led to high mortality rates, particularly among women and children.

• Kenya during Mau Mau Uprising (1952-1960): British colonial authorities detained hundreds of thousands of Kikuyu people in camps during the independence struggle.

United States:

• Japanese American Internment (1942-1945): During World War II, approximately 120,000 Japanese Americans were forcibly relocated to detention camps.

• Philippine-American War (1899-1902): The U.S. military established “reconcentration” camps in the Philippines.

Soviet Union:

• Gulag system (1930s-1950s): A vast network of forced labor camps that detained millions of Soviet citizens, political prisoners, and others deemed undesirable by the state.

Spain:

• Cuban War of Independence (1895-1898): Spanish forces under General Weyler created reconcentration camps for Cuban civilians.

• Spanish Civil War and Franco era (1936-1975): Detention camps for political prisoners and Republicans.

Other examples:

• China: Xinjiang detention facilities for Uyghurs and other minorities (ongoing)

• Bosnia: Detention camps during the 1990s conflict

• Cambodia: Khmer Rouge camps (1975-1979)

• Various colonial powers: Used similar facilities in different territories during periods of conflict or control

These examples demonstrate that while Nazi concentration camps were particularly systematic and genocidal in nature, the broader concept of mass civilian detention has unfortunately been employed by many different governments throughout modern history.

JohnInCarolina · July 1

What @Legume said.

JohnInCarolina · July 1

SGH said:

The people that are headed for AA get free food and a free ride back to where they illegally came from.

The people going to AA had a choice. They chose to break the law. Their first official act here was a crime. They chose to come illegally.

The people going to AA is at bare minimum guilty. Big difference all the way around in my humble opinion.

JohnInCarolina · July 1

I guess someone cut and run. Must be TACO Tuesday.

DoubleEgger · July 1

@SGH Bless your heart

JohnInCarolina · July 2

Botch · July 2

Thank you @Legume and others; although I doubt the facts will sink in where they need to.

Buckwoody Egger · July 2

no need to overreact gentlemen, we are likely witnessing where an account was hacked by the ghost of jimmy swaggart during its descent to the netherworld.

Botch · July 2

Buckwoody Egger said:

no need to overreact gentlemen, we are likely witnessing where an account was hacked by the ghost of jimmy swaggart during its descent to the netherworld.

Was wondering what the appropriate acronym would be in this case, as opposed to "Mother Theresa, RIP":
"Jimmy Swaggart, RIH"
"Jimmy Swaggart, BIH"
"Jimmy Swaggart, GTH"
"Jimmy Swaggart, " ...others?

JohnInCarolina · July 2

Legume · July 2

This country just feels like all of the kids that were bullied in middle school are now having their moment and choosing to go after those weaker than themselves. And wear crosses.

JohnInCarolina · July 2

It’s been bugging me @SGH’s assertion that the people being sent to AA “chose to commit a crime as their first official act here”.

Just not true in general. Simply not a fact. Nearly half these people overstayed their visas. Coming into the US on a visa is very much an official act and it is in no way a crime.

The other part that’s important, of course, is that regardless of how they got here or what you think of their status, whether they are a citizen or not, they are entitled to due process! That is a bedrock principle that has protected us here in the US against law enforcement overreach for centuries now.

I‘m really not sure how we got to the place where we’re just OK with people being scooped up off the streets by men wearing masks and then shipped off to a cage as step one. Seriously… WTF? What the hell happened to us where so many of our citizens are OK with this?

Canugghead · July 2

Painful reminder of Camp Deoli, imagine little kids going to bed every night with bare necessities packed. Our family was spared but many we knew were rounded up, including my in-laws.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internment_of_Chinese_Indians

JohnInCarolina · July 4

@SGH

Botch · July 5

https://www.fox13news.com/news/florida-republicans-selling-alligator-alcatraz-merchandise

It makes me sick, especially on the US's 249th anniversary, to realize that at least Auschwitz didn't stoop this low.

Legume · July 5

SGH, you seem to be our forum expert on Nazi concentration camps, what do you think about this?

Image: https://us.v-cdn.net/5017260/uploads/editor/3r/tneulpm7vual.jpeg

JohnInCarolina · July 6

Regardless of what you think this place is, whether it should be called a concentration camp or not, I have no idea why you’d want to celebrate a place that is putting human beings behind cages. The celebration of the cruelty is just bizarre.

Botch · July 6

https://www.fox13news.com/news/florida-republicans-selling-alligator-alcatraz-merchandise

Image: https://images.foxtv.com/static.fox13news.com/www.fox13news.com/content/uploads/2025/07/932/524/vlcsnap-2025-07-01-23h19m16s028.jpg?ve=1&tl=1

Legume · July 6

Useful idiot is the real good guy with a gun.

JohnInCarolina · July 12

What in the heLL are we doing?

https://www.independent.com/2025/07/11/children-left-alone-after-mothers-arrested-in-immigration-raids/

Buckwoody Egger · July 12

“we” aren’t doing this.

the trump administration’s monumental investment in immigration law enforcement is doing this. it is being done in the same way they did DOGE but more personally injurious. it’s based in hate first, take next, think last. it’s wreckless, prejudiced and “low IQ”

just what MAGA ordered and swing voters enabled.

and it can be disabled

JohnInCarolina · July 12

Buckwoody Egger said:

“we” aren’t doing this.

the trump administration’s monumental investment in immigration law enforcement is doing this. it is being done in the same way they did DOGE but more personally injurious. it’s based in hate first, take next, think last. it’s wreckless, prejudiced and “low IQ”

just what MAGA ordered and swing voters enabled.

and it can be disabled

Of course it’s not you and me and folks like us. What I meant by “we” is the government of the United States.

A good percentage of the public did, in fact, vote for this. We can blame a lot on Trump and the people surrounding him, sure, but what troubles me is just how many folks support this stuff. We might be able to disable what ICE is doing, but those sentiments are going to be much harder to change.

lousubcap · July 12

I suspect the majority of sycophants never saw this coming for it would have required some thought. All we do is "follow The Dear Leader."

Buckwoody Egger · July 12

midterms midterms midterms

definitely feels like villainizing immigrants is very popular and many people are feeding off that energy.

JohnInCarolina · July 12

Buckwoody Egger said:

midterms midterms midterms

definitely feels like villainizing immigrants is very popular and many people are feeding off that energy.

The midterms will be important, but unless the Democrats can take both the House and Senate, they won’t be able to do much to end this kind of stuff. Even if they do somehow take both, Trump can still veto anything they pass in the way of legislation.

We are likely status quo until a new Democratic President is sworn in with both houses also controlled by Democrats. Who knows when that might happen, and by then, the damage will be done.

Botch · July 12

Do you guys think we're even going to have midterms? Or, if we do, they'll be counted fairly?
murkowski and most of the rest of the republicans passed the Big Ugly Bill, which more than doubled the power of ICE (let's call them what they are, trump's Brownshirts). I predict the administration will pull the electoral process from the States and put his Brownshirts in charge of running, and counting, the elections.
And he's also tested the waters by federalizing the Guard, arresting a congressman, at least one judge, two mayors, and handcuffed (if not arrested) a sitting Senator. And there has been hardly a peep from anyone in congress on the right of the aisle.

I can see only a few weak paths that might get us out of losing it all:
1) he eff's up the economy so bad (once again he's announced 30% tariffs for both the EU and Mexico, but there's 3 more TACO Tuesdays between now and 1 Aug) that the american oligarchs lose too much and finally decide he has to go, and they pressure the republicans they paid for,
2) our military has enough members holding loyalty to the Constitution over traitor, and find a legal path to get involved with our own citizenry/government (Judging from my former coworkers' posts on FB, I have my fears on that one; too many of them still support the traitor), or
3) some other planned violence that takes out enough of the rot to somehow, eventually right things; finally
4) trump dies in office, and theil's boy takes the presidency but does not/cannot have the cult grip on MAGA that traitor does, resulting in... don't even want to think about it.
As I mentioned, all weak paths.
This wasn't how my retirement was planned to be.

Botch · July 12

And, just a few moments later, I see this from Robert Reich:

Trump's big, ugly budget megabill gives ICE more cops than the FBI, more jails than the federal Bureau of Prisons, and a larger budget than most countries' militaries. Once the bill is fully implemented, nowhere in America will be safe from Trump's secret police state.

Dammit.

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