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CTMike
CTMike Posts: 3,641
edited August 2024 in EggHead Forum
So awhile back I posted about switching from a dual fuel stove to an induction unit due to my wife’s asthma, and more and more studies linking it to gas appliances.  

The Wolf was just installed and I did a little unscientific comparison. 

3 quarts of cold tap water ( ~ 60 F) in my Copper Core pasta pot. Timed until my Thermapen read 212 F. 

First photo is the KitchenAid dual fuel last night. 

Second is the Wolf. 

I had heard about the speed on Induction cook tops, and was skeptical. 

Today I am a believer. 



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  • Legume
    Legume Posts: 15,936
    This could not have come at a better time, we are planning a kitchen redo and I've wanted to explore induction and have met some resistance.
    THANK YOU FOR YOUR ATTENTION TO THIS MATTER
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  • CTMike
    CTMike Posts: 3,641
    edited August 2024
    Legume said:
    This could not have come at a better time, we are planning a kitchen redo and I've wanted to explore induction and have met some resistance.
    Just make sure your cookware is compatible. Mine is All-Clad Copper Core, a couple Smithey CI skillets, and Staub Enameled CI. 
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  • Legume
    Legume Posts: 15,936
    CTMike said:
    Legume said:
    This could not have come at a better time, we are planning a kitchen redo and I've wanted to explore induction and have met some resistance.
    Just make sure your cookware is compatible. Mine is all All-Clad Copper Core, a couple Smithey CI skillets, and Staub Enameled CI. 
    My ci and stock pots are fine, our daily use isn't, but we're not happy with it either, so just part of the project cost
    THANK YOU FOR YOUR ATTENTION TO THIS MATTER
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  • Ozzie_Isaac
    Ozzie_Isaac Posts: 21,627
    I have really learned to love induction.  I have a Polyscience Control Freak being delivered today.

    I was dead set on gas for our remodel, but may consider an induction instead.

    I am not sure what it is, but I have a particular All-Clad pot that sings like crazy on the induction top.  Noisier than some of the other ones.

    I would rather light a candle than curse your darkness.

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  • CTMike
    CTMike Posts: 3,641
    Ozzie_Isaac said:
    I have really learned to love induction.  I have a Polyscience Control Freak being delivered today.

    I was dead set on gas for our remodel, but may consider an induction instead.

    I am not sure what it is, but I have a particular All-Clad pot that sings like crazy on the induction top.  Noisier than some of the other ones.
    From my reading, pots that make noise like that aren’t really ferrous enough to be fully compatible. I’ve read some folks have All-Clad D3 and they sing, and the could also cycle on/off as it detects the pot, then loses it, and the cycle repeats. 
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  • poster
    poster Posts: 1,346
    What model did you get? I assume these are high end units? I would like to replace mine with induction as well in the near future, buy not really willing to pay 5k+. I'm not sure if the lower end models will have the same benefits or not, which is kinda the main reason I have been holding back.
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  • CTMike
    CTMike Posts: 3,641
    poster said:
    What model did you get? I assume these are high end units? I would like to replace mine with induction as well in the near future, buy not really willing to pay 5k+. I'm not sure if the lower end models will have the same benefits or not, which is kinda the main reason I have been holding back.
    I went with a Wolf 36” IR36550SP - quite a bit north of  $5K. 

    There are 30” units that get good reviews for around $3K or so. 
    MMBGE / Large BGE / XL BGE (Craigslist Find) / SF30x80 cabinet trailer - "Ol' Mortimer" / Outdoor kitchen in progress.  

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  • Ozzie_Isaac
    Ozzie_Isaac Posts: 21,627
    edited August 2024
    CTMike said:
    poster said:
    What model did you get? I assume these are high end units? I would like to replace mine with induction as well in the near future, buy not really willing to pay 5k+. I'm not sure if the lower end models will have the same benefits or not, which is kinda the main reason I have been holding back.
    I went with a Wolf 36” IR36550SP - quite a bit north of  $5K. 

    There are 30” units that get good reviews for around $3K or so. 
    3,700 watt boost!  Making the most of that 220 volt wiring!  That is a beast!

    Reading the specs on the cooktop, that sounds amazing, especially like joining zones for a griddle.

    Thanks for heads up on the cladding.  I think my stock pot is a D3 I got of Craigslist for $30.


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  • CTMike
    CTMike Posts: 3,641
    Ozzie_Isaac said:
    CTMike said:
    poster said:
    What model did you get? I assume these are high end units? I would like to replace mine with induction as well in the near future, buy not really willing to pay 5k+. I'm not sure if the lower end models will have the same benefits or not, which is kinda the main reason I have been holding back.
    I went with a Wolf 36” IR36550SP - quite a bit north of  $5K. 

    There are 30” units that get good reviews for around $3K or so. 
    3,700 watt boost!  Making the most of that 220 volt wiring!  That is a beast!

    Reading the specs on the cooktop, that sounds amazing, especially like joining zones for a griddle.

    Thanks for heads up on the cladding.  I think my stock pot is a D3 I got of Craigslist for $30.


    Most induction cooktops allow you to bridge a couple “burners” together. 3700 watts converts to ~ 12,600 BTU/hr. The large burners on the KitchenAid were 20KBTU/hr. Crazy how much faster the induction worked - I’m guessing because the energy is directly coupled to the pan via electromagnetic waves, whereas a lot of the energy from a gas cooktop is wasted as heat that isn’t completely transferred to the pan. 

    One article I read states ~ 90% of the energy in an induction cooktop is transferred to the pan, whereas a gas cooktop is in the range of 40 - 55%. 
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  • SGH
    SGH Posts: 28,988
    @Ozzie_Isaac
    I have never had an induction cook top but we use induction coils almost exclusively at work. They will heat 12” diameter pipe with a 2” wall thickness to 550 degrees in 90 seconds. Give or take a few seconds either way. It really opened my eyes to how powerful induction is. Granted these coils run on 480 3 phase. But still very impressive to say the least.  


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  • Ozzie_Isaac
    Ozzie_Isaac Posts: 21,627
    edited August 2024
    SGH said:
    @Ozzie_Isaac
    I have never had an induction cook top but we use induction coils almost exclusively at work. They will heat 12” diameter pipe with a 2” wall thickness to 550 degrees in 90 seconds. Give or take a few seconds either way. It really opened my eyes to how powerful induction is. Granted these coils run on 480 3 phase. But still very impressive to say the least.  


    Would be funny to pop a regular pan in that coil.  Probably vaporize it.

    CTMike said:
    Ozzie_Isaac said:
    CTMike said:
    poster said:
    What model did you get? I assume these are high end units? I would like to replace mine with induction as well in the near future, buy not really willing to pay 5k+. I'm not sure if the lower end models will have the same benefits or not, which is kinda the main reason I have been holding back.
    I went with a Wolf 36” IR36550SP - quite a bit north of  $5K. 

    There are 30” units that get good reviews for around $3K or so. 
    3,700 watt boost!  Making the most of that 220 volt wiring!  That is a beast!

    Reading the specs on the cooktop, that sounds amazing, especially like joining zones for a griddle.

    Thanks for heads up on the cladding.  I think my stock pot is a D3 I got of Craigslist for $30.


    Most induction cooktops allow you to bridge a couple “burners” together. 3700 watts converts to ~ 12,600 BTU/hr. The large burners on the KitchenAid were 20KBTU/hr. Crazy how much faster the induction worked - I’m guessing because the energy is directly coupled to the pan via electromagnetic waves, whereas a lot of the energy from a gas cooktop is wasted as heat that isn’t completely transferred to the pan. 

    One article I read states ~ 90% of the energy in an induction cooktop is transferred to the pan, whereas a gas cooktop is in the range of 40 - 55%. 
    I read similar numbers 90% and 30% …. So 3700 watt burner is equivalent to ~35k btu/hr gas burner

    I would rather light a candle than curse your darkness.

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  • CTMike
    CTMike Posts: 3,641
    Ozzie_Isaac said:

    Would be funny to pop a regular pan in that coil.  Probably vaporize it.
    Vaporize, or convert to a 36,000 F ball of plasma? I would think either is a distinct possibility. 
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  • DoubleEgger
    DoubleEgger Posts: 19,140
    edited August 2024
    I’m interested in what your thoughts are after using it for a while regarding low heat, temperature control, overall “cookability” etc.  


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  • CTMike
    CTMike Posts: 3,641
    Ozzie_Isaac said:
    I have really learned to love induction.  I have a Polyscience Control Freak being delivered today.

    I was dead set on gas for our remodel, but may consider an induction instead.

    I am not sure what it is, but I have a particular All-Clad pot that sings like crazy on the induction top.  Noisier than some of the other ones.
    I’m interested to hear your thoughts on the Control Freak. I was looking at that a couple days ago. 
    MMBGE / Large BGE / XL BGE (Craigslist Find) / SF30x80 cabinet trailer - "Ol' Mortimer" / Outdoor kitchen in progress.  

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  • Corv
    Corv Posts: 562
    Thanks a lot, guys. It's too easy to persuade me that I need another cooking tool and this might make the list. Another pot of money (besides needing to buy another couple of pots....) out the door. Maybe. Maybe this time I'll show some will power - unlike the Bluestar stove and the Roccbox, for example.
    I live alone and already have five major heat-producing tools. I don't even cook that much. And I've run out of storage space for more gadgets.
    C'mon, will power. Amp it up!
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  • Ozzie_Isaac
    Ozzie_Isaac Posts: 21,627
    CTMike said:
    Ozzie_Isaac said:
    I have really learned to love induction.  I have a Polyscience Control Freak being delivered today.

    I was dead set on gas for our remodel, but may consider an induction instead.

    I am not sure what it is, but I have a particular All-Clad pot that sings like crazy on the induction top.  Noisier than some of the other ones.
    I’m interested to hear your thoughts on the Control Freak. I was looking at that a couple days ago. 
    It is huge!  Just showed up.  Looking forward to trying it out!



    Here it is in the cutting board you made me 😄


    I would rather light a candle than curse your darkness.

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  • Gulfcoastguy
    Gulfcoastguy Posts: 7,317
    I have a countertop portable induction burner. When the range goes toes up I have been planning to replace it with a 30 inch induction range for some time now. It sounds like I had better start a big piggy bank for the purpose though.
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  • Botch
    Botch Posts: 17,332
    Does anyone here have induction + wok experience?  I'm assuming you'd have to use a flat-bottom wok (an irritating but not insurmountable issue), but I'm really wondering how quickly an induction heater responds to heat-up/cool-down commands, vs a gas burner.  I could regulate heat by simply lifting the wok up, but again, an irritating but not insurmountable issue.  
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    The Christmas we get, we deserve"
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  • Ozzie_Isaac
    Ozzie_Isaac Posts: 21,627
    Botch said:
    Does anyone here have induction + wok experience?  I'm assuming you'd have to use a flat-bottom wok (an irritating but not insurmountable issue), but I'm really wondering how quickly an induction heater responds to heat-up/cool-down commands, vs a gas burner.  I could regulate heat by simply lifting the wok up, but again, an irritating but not insurmountable issue.  
    In my experience temp changes are much slower on induction top, especially cooling down.  I don’t think it will work well.  I prefer a separate wok burner.

    I would rather light a candle than curse your darkness.

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  • Botch
    Botch Posts: 17,332
    Ozzie_Isaac said:
    Botch said:
    Does anyone here have induction + wok experience?  I'm assuming you'd have to use a flat-bottom wok (an irritating but not insurmountable issue), but I'm really wondering how quickly an induction heater responds to heat-up/cool-down commands, vs a gas burner.  I could regulate heat by simply lifting the wok up, but again, an irritating but not insurmountable issue.  
    In my experience temp changes are much slower on induction top, especially cooling down.  I don’t think it will work well.  I prefer a separate wok burner.
    Thanks much; helps justify my BlueStar co$t.  It is a lot of fun, to jostle between flipping the wok, working the wok ladle, jockeying the burner and grabbing the next mis en place to add.    
    "Hallelujah, Noel, be it Heaven or Hell,
    The Christmas we get, we deserve"
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  • CTMike
    CTMike Posts: 3,641
    Ozzie_Isaac said:
    CTMike said:
    Ozzie_Isaac said:
    I have really learned to love induction.  I have a Polyscience Control Freak being delivered today.

    I was dead set on gas for our remodel, but may consider an induction instead.

    I am not sure what it is, but I have a particular All-Clad pot that sings like crazy on the induction top.  Noisier than some of the other ones.
    I’m interested to hear your thoughts on the Control Freak. I was looking at that a couple days ago. 
    It is huge!  Just showed up.  Looking forward to trying it out!



    Here it is in the cutting board you made me 😄


    The board looks like it is well cared for, hopefully it is serving you well. 
    MMBGE / Large BGE / XL BGE (Craigslist Find) / SF30x80 cabinet trailer - "Ol' Mortimer" / Outdoor kitchen in progress.  

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  • CTMike
    CTMike Posts: 3,641
    Legume said:
    This could not have come at a better time, we are planning a kitchen redo and I've wanted to explore induction and have met some resistance.
    Nice pun by the way. 
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  • CTMike
    CTMike Posts: 3,641
    Botch said:
    Does anyone here have induction + wok experience?  I'm assuming you'd have to use a flat-bottom wok (an irritating but not insurmountable issue), but I'm really wondering how quickly an induction heater responds to heat-up/cool-down commands, vs a gas burner.  I could regulate heat by simply lifting the wok up, but again, an irritating but not insurmountable issue.  
    I have a Staub CI wok I’m going to try out this weekend - it does have a flat bottom though. 
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  • OhioEgger
    OhioEgger Posts: 992
    Our electric range started acting up a couple of months ago, and I replaced it with an induction range, much cheaper than yours.
    I'm very happy with it, because it cooks so much like the gas range I grew up with. Far more controllable than an electric cooktop.
    Cincinnati, Ohio. Large BGE since 2011. Still learning.
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  • Ozzie_Isaac
    Ozzie_Isaac Posts: 21,627
    CTMike said:
    Ozzie_Isaac said:
    CTMike said:
    Ozzie_Isaac said:
    I have really learned to love induction.  I have a Polyscience Control Freak being delivered today.

    I was dead set on gas for our remodel, but may consider an induction instead.

    I am not sure what it is, but I have a particular All-Clad pot that sings like crazy on the induction top.  Noisier than some of the other ones.
    I’m interested to hear your thoughts on the Control Freak. I was looking at that a couple days ago. 
    It is huge!  Just showed up.  Looking forward to trying it out!



    Here it is in the cutting board you made me 😄


    The board looks like it is well cared for, hopefully it is serving you well. 
    The board gets used multiple times a day.  It is a fixture in our kitchen.  Wipe and oil and it stays looking beautiful!

    I would rather light a candle than curse your darkness.

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    The Cen-Tex Smoker Posts: 23,179
    Legume said:
    This could not have come at a better time, we are planning a kitchen redo and I've wanted to explore induction and have met some resistance.
    No resistance. It’s not even close. If you have a chance to go induction, I highly recommend you do. 

    We went from induction to gas when we bought the ranch and I feel like I’m back in the Stone Age. Unfortunately we have a 6 burner Thermador with double ovens and there is not an induction that fits that spot (that I am aware of anyway). As soon as I find one, I’m making the change back to induction. 

    The only downside to induction is that it uses a glass top and they can crack and chip. Thats an $800 fix. We cracked ours twice in 6 years but the second time was just a chip off the edge so we didn’t replace. If you drop a pan, it can crack it. 
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  • CTMike
    CTMike Posts: 3,641
    Ozzie_Isaac said:
    CTMike said:
    Ozzie_Isaac said:
    CTMike said:
    Ozzie_Isaac said:
    I have really learned to love induction.  I have a Polyscience Control Freak being delivered today.

    I was dead set on gas for our remodel, but may consider an induction instead.

    I am not sure what it is, but I have a particular All-Clad pot that sings like crazy on the induction top.  Noisier than some of the other ones.
    I’m interested to hear your thoughts on the Control Freak. I was looking at that a couple days ago. 
    It is huge!  Just showed up.  Looking forward to trying it out!



    Here it is in the cutting board you made me 😄


    The board looks like it is well cared for, hopefully it is serving you well. 
    The board gets used multiple times a day.  It is a fixture in our kitchen.  Wipe and oil and it stays looking beautiful!
    Good to hear. Let me know if you need another jar of the oil/wax mix and I’ll send one out. 
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  • CTMike
    CTMike Posts: 3,641
    The Cen-Tex Smoker said:
    Legume said:
    This could not have come at a better time, we are planning a kitchen redo and I've wanted to explore induction and have met some resistance.
    No resistance. It’s not even close. If you have a chance to go induction, I highly recommend you do. 

    We went from induction to gas when we bought the ranch and I feel like I’m back in the Stone Age. Unfortunately we have a 6 burner Thermador with double ovens and there is not an induction that fits that spot (that I am aware of anyway). As soon as I find one, I’m making the change back to induction. 

    The only downside to induction is that it uses a glass top and they can crack and chip. Thats an $800 fix. We cracked ours twice in 6 years but the second time was just a chip off the edge so we didn’t replace. If you drop a pan, it can crack it. 
    48”?

    https://us.bertazzoni.com/products/professional-series/ranges/48-inch-induction-range-6-heating-zones-and-cast-iron-griddle-electric-self-clean-oven
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  • CTMike
    CTMike Posts: 3,641
    There’s also Aga if you like the Euro style:

    https://www.agarangeusa.com/elise/ranges/product/aga-elise-48/color/white/model/48-induction-model
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  • zaphod
    zaphod Posts: 1,013
    nothing branded "Wolf" or branded "Aga" is cheap. nothing. Worth it perhaps, but not cheap.

    When I lived in London Ontario there was a FANTASTIC kitchen shop (Ann McColl's) that had lessons in the back and they used Aga's.  I think they had three, but the memory is faint.

    I really liked the concept of the Agas. big thermal battery that you never turn off. different ovens for different temperatures. very nice. very big. very expensive.
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