'No Way To Prevent This,' says Only Nation Where This Regularly Happens

caliking · July 2022

So this is what Parler is like...

Legume · July 2022

caliking said:

So this is what Parler is like...

Sort of, but the spelling is better here.

dbCooper · July 2022

WildmanWilson said:

JohnInCarolina said:

WildmanWilson said:

dbCooper said:

@WildmanWilson
Correct my understanding if incorrect, you seem to maintain the availability of guns/ammunition is a non-issue. So take that as a given fact and remove from discussion. Further, you point to focusing on mental health issues as a root cause.
From your research can you supply facts regarding the ratio of mental health issues in the USA vs gun deaths as compared to the ratio in other countries, in particular 1st world countries? I maintain the USA ratio is much lower. If this is accurate how would you explain it and propose to fix it?

Now explain why mental health is worse now? Are kids being over medicated? Has the woke culture created more snowflakes that can't deal with life? Maybe?

“From your research can you supply facts regarding the ratio of mental health issues in the USA vs gun deaths as compared to the ratio in other countries, in particular 1st world countries?”

That would be a NO, apparently. Not a fact in sight backing up this view of mental health as the root cause.

Funny that none of you answer anything I ask. Probably because you have no facts to stand on.

I've never said it was the root cause. As far a data on mental illness there is no hard data because its nothing you can measure. No different than saying supply the ratio video game playing vs gun deaths. Now answer my question....Explain why mental health is worse now? Are kids being over medicated? Has the woke culture created more snowflakes that can't deal with life? Maybe? So is mental illness really worse?

@WildmanWilson

Your post here, https://eggheadforum.com/discussion/comment/2655761/#Comment_2655761, states that guns/ammo are not at the root of the issue but mental illness is. My response to you accepted that premise and asked for you to explain why that premise does not hold true in other developed nations.

https://eggheadforum.com/discussion/comment/2655863/#Comment_2655863

I am missing something in your argument, you now seem to be saying mental illness is not at the root of the issue. Further confusion on my part when you state mental illness is worse now/not worse now, prefaced by "As far a data on mental illness there is no hard data because its nothing you can measure." Of course that is not true, but lets say it is. How then are you determining rates of mental illness are/aren't worse now?

I'm finding it hard to have a rational discussion around the positions you are posting. They do not seem to be consistent or well thought out.

*edit to correct linked post

Legume · July 2022

Yeah, I don’t understand “no data on mental illness because there is nothing you can measure”

or asking why aren’t people upset about all the one off shootings that are done with handguns - who says people aren’t upset about these? Would you prefer a push to ban all guns?

I know one thing that has changed over the years - the ban on assault rifles expired and was not renewed

JohnInCarolina · July 2022

dmchicago · July 2022

I just found ww’s Twitter feed. He posted this

JohnInCarolina · July 2022

It’s almost as though the implications of the simple title of this thread have eluded some here. Can’t imagine why that would be…

JohnInCarolina · July 2022

Wildman actually makes some great points. Since we still have a lot of drunk drivers, we should just get rid of laws against drunk driving, road checkpoints, etc. These kind of common sense laws and regulations haven’t stopped every single drunk driver, nor will they ever be able to in the future. We should just get rid of them, since they’re mostly a nuisance to law abiding citizens.

caliking · July 2022

WildmanWilson said:

Legume said:

Yeah, I don’t understand “no data on mental illness because there is nothing you can measure”

or asking why aren’t people upset about all the one off shootings that are done with handguns - who says people aren’t upset about these? Would you prefer a push to ban all guns?

I know one thing that has changed over the years - the ban on assault rifles expired and was not renewed

I was referring to the question someone asked.... “From your research can you supply facts regarding the ratio of mental health issues in the USA vs gun deaths as compared to the ratio in other countries, in particular 1st world countries?”......There's no way of knowing what percentage of shooters in America or around the globe that shoot someone is mentally ill. I don't know how that data can be accurately measured or collected.

The reason I asked the handgun question is they are used to kill the most people by far and its not even close. So a ban on ARs will statically do little to nothing to change anything. What does happen is once there's on ban there is always another one to "help some more". I also showed the data on mass shooting accounting for very few deaths and that public mass shootings are still a very low percentage. Mass shootings account for .1% of the firearm homicides. Only 12% of mass killings are mass public shootings. Most mass killings are “familicides”...(murders of family members or partners) and felony-related killings (robberies or gang related turf battles).

So I will ask....Give me hard data to how much the .1% will go down if ARs are banned? I don't need the typical answer of "but it will help" or "we must do something". Its a knee jerk reaction and not an answer.

https://journals.lww.com/hrpjournal/fulltext/2021/01000/mental_illness,_mass_shootings,_and_the_future_of.6.aspx

You've demonstrated remarkable Google-fu recently. For a change, use those superpowers for good.

JohnInCarolina · July 2022

http://twitter.com/TexasTribune/status/1548718159452143624?s=20&t=eaALkp4byDwVfZ1Xo2fYVg

caliking · July 2022

I'll admit to not following the "after the fact" reports of the Uvalde tragedy.

After reading the titles, all I hear is the screams of children who could only be identified by DNA, and the anguished cries of their parents.

I can't deal with it.

JohnInCarolina · July 2022

caliking said:

I'll admit to not following the "after the fact" reports of the Uvalde tragedy.

After reading the titles, all I hear is the screams of children who could only be identified by DNA, and the anguished cries of their parents.

I can't deal with it.

It is unfathomable for any parent. Just awful.

lousubcap · July 2022

All the more reason for the spineless lawmakers to see the videos/hear the audio first hand. As above, too sanitized for the true carnage to be acknowledged by assault weapon devastation. Woman/man up and deal with the facts. Too scared and why?? Off mini-soap box.

Botch · July 2022

caliking said:

I'll admit to not following the "after the fact" reports of the Uvalde tragedy.

After reading the titles, all I hear is the screams of children who could only be identified by DNA, and the anguished cries of their parents.

I can't deal with it.

The titles in the post just above yours don't mention the real brunt of the report released today: they put the blame on ALL police forces: local, state, federal, and Nat'l Guard. And CBS News tonight stated there were over 370 armed personnel at the scene. (I find that one hard to believe)

dmchicago · July 2022

https://www.kxan.com/stop-mass-shootings/uvalde-shooting-investigation/systemic-failures-in-uvalde-shooting-went-far-beyond-local-police-texas-house-report-details/

376 it says here.

HeavyG · July 2022

https://twitter.com/normative/status/1548802719867179009

The Cen-Tex Smoker · July 2022

For those of you saying that armed guards or armed teachers are the answer- there were 400 police officers on campus before they tried to breach the (unlocked) door.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/report-findings-reveal-400-officers-uvalde-elementary-school-86972927

And for those of you who do not feel ABC is a reliable news source, you can check wsj, daily wire, or anywhere else you get your medicine.

fishlessman · July 2022

i remember when this was a much more friendly place and we had 1, just 1 tweeve acount going around. now its more like tweeve accounts gone wild

dmchicago · July 2022

"the only way to stop a bad guy with a troll account is a good guy with a troll account!"

-JIC, probably.

Legume · July 2022

Right on schedule.

littlerascal56 · July 2022

Thank God that 22 year old good samaritan was able to terminate that shooter so quickly. Otherwise a lot of people would be dead.

Legume · July 2022

WildmanWilson said:

Well it seem a good guy with a gun stopped a mass shooter in Indiana. The citizen shot and killed him before it could get worse. He probable save numerous lives. But we know you libs hate good guys with a gun as much if not more than the criminal.

“You libs hate…” hahaha. Keep working it.

I have no problem with licensed carry - but the new, wide open carry laws in some states are not common sense based, they’re grandstanding reactions from some right wing politicians pandering to the gun nut crowd that they’ve convinced are going to have their guns taken away in the ultimate battle of good v evil that will determine…well, nothing actually. But y’all buy in, so they get the votes they want and the donations they want.

It shouldn’t be easier than getting a license to drive. I’ve never heard a decent argument against that.

Legume · July 2022

Legume · July 2022

The “only” way, lol. Does the NRA have any interest in stoking gun use and ownership?

Legume · July 2022

littlerascal56 said:

Thank God that 22 year old good samaritan was able to terminate that shooter so quickly. Otherwise a lot of people would be dead.

You’re not going to get the arguments here you think you are. What you seem to miss is that this is not the only or the best solution. It’s not a strategy.

RealDonaldTrump · July 2022

If only they would have put a sticker on the mall door that said ‘no guns allowed’.

Thankful for the good guy with a gun that saved a lot of lives

The Cen-Tex Smoker · July 2022

Oh boy. Ha ha. Buckle up.

Botch · July 2022

Beau had a different take on the Texas report, something I wouldn't have thought of: by blaming everyone involved, it completely diffuses any accountability.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqmPXdWls2E

JohnInCarolina · July 2022

It’s pretty idiotic to make a “good guy with a gun” argument in light of this recent mall shooting, when we just had 400 “good guys” with guns in Uvalde who let innocent kids bleed out because they were too afraid of getting shot by the one bad guy. But you do you I suppose.

JohnInCarolina · July 2022

Botch said:

Beau had a different take on the Texas report, something I wouldn't have thought of: by blaming everyone involved, it completely diffuses any accountability.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqmPXdWls2E

I had the same thought as soon as I saw the headline.

'No Way To Prevent This,' says Only Nation Where This Regularly Happens

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