'No Way To Prevent This,' says Only Nation Where This Regularly Happens

The Cen-Tex Smoker · July 2022

My God.

Botch · July 2022

kinda spot-on...

dmchicago · July 2022

JFC

JohnInCarolina · July 2022

dmchicago said:

JFC

They are being criticized for that but were I one of the parents of those who died, I’m not sure I could bear the sound of my own little one calling out for Mommy or Daddy.

This whole thing is just absolutely awful. I hope the local cops are held accountable for some of this, but I’m not optimistic.

dmchicago · July 2022

Yeah I would not be able to hear that. But I would have liked to hear the sound of the response team planning their entry and subsequent breaching of the door. Instead we get a guy using hand sanitizer.

lousubcap · July 2022

I understand why it was edited. The downside is that the true violent outcome is now sanitized, same with no video of the immediate carnage in the room.
I think the spineless law makers need to see and hear the carnage that any mass shooting creates. That may be the only way to get them to do more in the way of gun reform, like returning to the assault weapons ban at a minimum.

nolaegghead · July 2022

In my opinion, news should show the actual horror of war, mass shootings, avoidable accidents. Many countries don't censor footage like we do. We need to own up to the reality that we allow to occur daily in the US. .223 and other bullets are designed for war to cause maximum trauma. Lets take off the blinders and see what really happens.

I'm not saying make it gratuitous, but enough to know why we needed to use DNA to identify bodies.

Hearing a report of X people shot has become so common, we are becoming numb and conditioned to the frequency this happens.

Same with war, famine, poverty, etc. Let's grow up.

BTW - I can't see any video above, just that Editor's Note.

JohnInCarolina · July 2022

http://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1547386184258662400?s=20&t=3IldPplEnqoJyTbBgjALmg

Canugghead · July 2022

Wonder if anonymous voting would have changed the outcome.

lousubcap · July 2022

While a bit dated, the below youtube video (part one linked and it rolls to part two) is a good watch. The points are as applicable as when this was made. It is Friday:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rR9IaXH1M0 

HeavyG · July 2022

Gotta love it when somebody tells someone they lack firearms knowledge and then calls something .556 rather than the correct 5.56.

JohnInCarolina · July 2022

WildmanWilson said:

nolaegghead said:

In my opinion, news should show the actual horror of war, mass shootings, avoidable accidents. Many countries don't censor footage like we do. We need to own up to the reality that we allow to occur daily in the US. .223 and other bullets are designed for war to cause maximum trauma. Lets take off the blinders and see what really happens.

I'm not saying make it gratuitous, but enough to know why we needed to use DNA to identify bodies.

Hearing a report of X people shot has become so common, we are becoming numb and conditioned to the frequency this happens.

Same with war, famine, poverty, etc. Let's grow up.

BTW - I can't see any video above, just that Editor's Note.

Many are too woke to be called by the wrong pronoun. Do you really think they are ready for anything being that graphic?

You lack any knowledge of firearms. Don't feel bad, many do. The .223 and .556 are not made for maximum trauma. The ones used are usually always full metal jacket that actually reduce trauma. A small 9mm with a hollow point is more devastating. The .223 and .556 are illegal to deer hunt in many places because they are/were thought to be too small. A .270 and 30-06 are hunting calibers that are much more deadly. Its not to say that any bullet shot into someone's body will not kill and do damage. Even a small rimfire like a .22 hollow point will explode/expand and do great damage.

I've already shown that past mass shooting did great damage with just handguns and other weapons other than ARs. You want to place your aggression on a type of bullet/gun rather than the real issue at hand.

What happens when the ARs are gone and you still see 20 people shot with shotguns or handguns? More bans? More laws?

More discussions need to happen. Lets talk about mental illness and bullying. About how social media could be making it worse. How we can do more to keep these evil people out to start with. Lets get off the one track subject of ARs being the issue.

Bravo. You really could not be more clueless about some of the members here if you tried.

lousubcap · July 2022

As i wrote in an earlier post on this thread, if the solution were easy it would have been done. I'm no lawyer here or into the nuances of some legalese but universal background checks for any sale (ie like car registration and sale) the new owner has to take documented ownership. How about chipping newly manufactured fire arms and pairing the chip to a registration.
Restoring the assault weapons ban that expired in 2004.
What about a holding period between purchase and possession to enable big data to at least give the buyer a once over.
Why are some hard-over gun rights activists pushing so hard against enhancing the requirements for ownership? Seems counter-intuitive to me.
Of course, let's not address the well trained militia part of the second amendment. Clearly to do the training you have to know who owns the guns...
I will give you the mental health part of the discussion, but without the gun the mental health issue is moot in this instance. Off Friday soap-box on this topic.

JohnInCarolina · July 2022

http://twitter.com/FrankFigliuzzi1/status/1547989205237739522?s=20&t=rT02QWJJa4hiCaOPGRiAxg

The Cen-Tex Smoker · July 2022

lousubcap said:

I understand why it was edited. The downside is that the true violent outcome is now sanitized, same with no video of the immediate carnage in the room.
I think the spineless law makers need to see and hear the carnage that any mass shooting creates. That may be the only way to get them to do more in the way of gun reform, like returning to the assault weapons ban at a minimum.

At the very least, every elected state and federal official should have to watch it start to finish. Every last one of them. Several a week. See how that plays out.

JohnInCarolina · July 2022

WildmanWilson said:

JohnInCarolina said:

WildmanWilson said:

nolaegghead said:

In my opinion, news should show the actual horror of war, mass shootings, avoidable accidents. Many countries don't censor footage like we do. We need to own up to the reality that we allow to occur daily in the US. .223 and other bullets are designed for war to cause maximum trauma. Lets take off the blinders and see what really happens.

I'm not saying make it gratuitous, but enough to know why we needed to use DNA to identify bodies.

Hearing a report of X people shot has become so common, we are becoming numb and conditioned to the frequency this happens.

Same with war, famine, poverty, etc. Let's grow up.

BTW - I can't see any video above, just that Editor's Note.

Many are too woke to be called by the wrong pronoun. Do you really think they are ready for anything being that graphic?

You lack any knowledge of firearms. Don't feel bad, many do. The .223 and .556 are not made for maximum trauma. The ones used are usually always full metal jacket that actually reduce trauma. A small 9mm with a hollow point is more devastating. The .223 and .556 are illegal to deer hunt in many places because they are/were thought to be too small. A .270 and 30-06 are hunting calibers that are much more deadly. Its not to say that any bullet shot into someone's body will not kill and do damage. Even a small rimfire like a .22 hollow point will explode/expand and do great damage.

I've already shown that past mass shooting did great damage with just handguns and other weapons other than ARs. You want to place your aggression on a type of bullet/gun rather than the real issue at hand.

What happens when the ARs are gone and you still see 20 people shot with shotguns or handguns? More bans? More laws?

More discussions need to happen. Lets talk about mental illness and bullying. About how social media could be making it worse. How we can do more to keep these evil people out to start with. Lets get off the one track subject of ARs being the issue.

Bravo. You really could not be more clueless about some of the members here if you tried.

Some members maybe. Some dead on. Its not hard to tell someone is full of crap when they try to talk about something they know nothing about. You see the leftwing media doing it all the time. You parrot much of it.

Dude you literally accused someone who probably owns more firearms than you do of lacking any knowledge about firearms. Maybe buy a friggin clue.

JohnInCarolina · July 2022

WildmanWilson said:

lousubcap said:

As i wrote in an earlier post on this thread, if the solution were easy it would have been done. I'm no lawyer here or into the nuances of some legalese but universal background checks for any sale (ie like car registration and sale) the new owner has to take documented ownership. How about chipping newly manufactured fire arms and pairing the chip to a registration.
Restoring the assault weapons ban that expired in 2004.
What about a holding period between purchase and possession to enable big data to at least give the buyer a once over.
Why are some hard-over gun rights activists pushing so hard against enhancing the requirements for ownership? Seems counter-intuitive to me.
Of course, let's not address the well trained militia part of the second amendment. Clearly to do the training you have to know who owns the guns...
I will give you the mental health part of the discussion, but without the gun the mental health issue is moot in this instance. Off Friday soap-box on this topic.

A gun registry will lead to confiscation.

You mean just like how the government is confiscating personal vehicles?

The Cen-Tex Smoker · July 2022

JohnInCarolina said:

WildmanWilson said:

JohnInCarolina said:

WildmanWilson said:

nolaegghead said:

In my opinion, news should show the actual horror of war, mass shootings, avoidable accidents. Many countries don't censor footage like we do. We need to own up to the reality that we allow to occur daily in the US. .223 and other bullets are designed for war to cause maximum trauma. Lets take off the blinders and see what really happens.

I'm not saying make it gratuitous, but enough to know why we needed to use DNA to identify bodies.

Hearing a report of X people shot has become so common, we are becoming numb and conditioned to the frequency this happens.

Same with war, famine, poverty, etc. Let's grow up.

BTW - I can't see any video above, just that Editor's Note.

Many are too woke to be called by the wrong pronoun. Do you really think they are ready for anything being that graphic?

You lack any knowledge of firearms. Don't feel bad, many do. The .223 and .556 are not made for maximum trauma. The ones used are usually always full metal jacket that actually reduce trauma. A small 9mm with a hollow point is more devastating. The .223 and .556 are illegal to deer hunt in many places because they are/were thought to be too small. A .270 and 30-06 are hunting calibers that are much more deadly. Its not to say that any bullet shot into someone's body will not kill and do damage. Even a small rimfire like a .22 hollow point will explode/expand and do great damage.

I've already shown that past mass shooting did great damage with just handguns and other weapons other than ARs. You want to place your aggression on a type of bullet/gun rather than the real issue at hand.

What happens when the ARs are gone and you still see 20 people shot with shotguns or handguns? More bans? More laws?

More discussions need to happen. Lets talk about mental illness and bullying. About how social media could be making it worse. How we can do more to keep these evil people out to start with. Lets get off the one track subject of ARs being the issue.

Bravo. You really could not be more clueless about some of the members here if you tried.

Some members maybe. Some dead on. Its not hard to tell someone is full of crap when they try to talk about something they know nothing about. You see the leftwing media doing it all the time. You parrot much of it.

Dude you literally accused someone who probably owns more firearms than you do of lacking any knowledge about firearms. Maybe buy a friggin clue.

The quonset ain't gonna protect itself.

Ybabpmuts · July 2022

Magazines?

JohnInCarolina · July 2022

WildmanWilson said:

Look what came in today!! Come over and I’ll teach you how to shoot and not be afraid of those black guns.

That’s an awful lot of… compensation.

I don’t need anyone to teach me how to shoot. I started learning when I was about 8. Try again.

dmchicago · July 2022

They misspelled.556

Legume · July 2022

I love this logic (sarcasm for the impaired)

“Doing X won’t stop ALL gun deaths, so there is no point. Now I’m going to sound interested in mental health.”

All or nothing, like that’s ever real life.

“Maybe it’s the internet or video games or bullying. We’ve always had guns and we didn’t used to have these problems”

So let’s regulate the internet or video games or bullying (?) What then, video games don’t kill people, my internet gun forums don’t kill people and freeeeee speeeeeech

Would you support higher taxes or higher Gov spend on schools, healthcare, etc? I don’t think you would. At least be honest with yourself if not here.

littlerascal56 · July 2022

The Cen-Tex Smoker said:

JohnInCarolina said:

WildmanWilson said:

JohnInCarolina said:

WildmanWilson said:

nolaegghead said:

In my opinion, news should show the actual horror of war, mass shootings, avoidable accidents. Many countries don't censor footage like we do. We need to own up to the reality that we allow to occur daily in the US. .223 and other bullets are designed for war to cause maximum trauma. Lets take off the blinders and see what really happens.

I'm not saying make it gratuitous, but enough to know why we needed to use DNA to identify bodies.

Hearing a report of X people shot has become so common, we are becoming numb and conditioned to the frequency this happens.

Same with war, famine, poverty, etc. Let's grow up.

BTW - I can't see any video above, just that Editor's Note.

Many are too woke to be called by the wrong pronoun. Do you really think they are ready for anything being that graphic?

You lack any knowledge of firearms. Don't feel bad, many do. The .223 and .556 are not made for maximum trauma. The ones used are usually always full metal jacket that actually reduce trauma. A small 9mm with a hollow point is more devastating. The .223 and .556 are illegal to deer hunt in many places because they are/were thought to be too small. A .270 and 30-06 are hunting calibers that are much more deadly. Its not to say that any bullet shot into someone's body will not kill and do damage. Even a small rimfire like a .22 hollow point will explode/expand and do great damage.

I've already shown that past mass shooting did great damage with just handguns and other weapons other than ARs. You want to place your aggression on a type of bullet/gun rather than the real issue at hand.

What happens when the ARs are gone and you still see 20 people shot with shotguns or handguns? More bans? More laws?

More discussions need to happen. Lets talk about mental illness and bullying. About how social media could be making it worse. How we can do more to keep these evil people out to start with. Lets get off the one track subject of ARs being the issue.

Bravo. You really could not be more clueless about some of the members here if you tried.

Some members maybe. Some dead on. Its not hard to tell someone is full of crap when they try to talk about something they know nothing about. You see the leftwing media doing it all the time. You parrot much of it.

Dude you literally accused someone who probably owns more firearms than you do of lacking any knowledge about firearms. Maybe buy a friggin clue.

The quonset ain't gonna protect itself.

Doubt you need to worry about the Quonset. With all that BLM graffiti painted inside, I can see a black Suburban with dark windows parked on the street nearby! Just sayin…

The Cen-Tex Smoker · July 2022

WildmanWilson said:

lousubcap said:

As i wrote in an earlier post on this thread, if the solution were easy it would have been done. I'm no lawyer here or into the nuances of some legalese but universal background checks for any sale (ie like car registration and sale) the new owner has to take documented ownership. How about chipping newly manufactured fire arms and pairing the chip to a registration.
Restoring the assault weapons ban that expired in 2004.
What about a holding period between purchase and possession to enable big data to at least give the buyer a once over.
Why are some hard-over gun rights activists pushing so hard against enhancing the requirements for ownership? Seems counter-intuitive to me.
Of course, let's not address the well trained militia part of the second amendment. Clearly to do the training you have to know who owns the guns...
I will give you the mental health part of the discussion, but without the gun the mental health issue is moot in this instance. Off Friday soap-box on this topic.

A gun registry will lead to confiscation. The ban does nothing. Its been tried and even if you take them all its just as easy for someone to kill large numbers with other guns. That's already happened numbers times. A waiting period also does nothing. So what if they must wait another week or month to carry out their plan? Most all the people that do these mass shootings passed background checks. Some of these shooters were already on a list or had issues with police at some point. They did not do enough to have their rights taken at that point though. You can't take peoples rights away on a hunch. Some of these people were never on a radar so what do you do about them?

I've talked before about the fact we had no background checks not so long ago and it wasn't an issue. There were no more shooting then and probable less. Anyone will get a gun if they want. There are close to 400 million in ownership now. They aren't going away. Criminals aren't giving them up.

One thing I would like to see is the persons name or picture could never be released. I'm not sure most would carry these shooting out knowing no one would ever know who did it. They want the world to know who they are.

I assure you the good captain does not need a lecture on how guns and ammo work from a guy who’s idea of service is flexing his internet muscles and bragging about his latest stash of armor piercing plink rounds on a bbq forum.

dbCooper · July 2022

@WildmanWilson

Correct my understanding if incorrect, you seem to maintain the availability of guns/ammunition is a non-issue. So take that as a given fact and remove from discussion. Further, you point to focusing on mental health issues as a root cause.

From your research can you supply facts regarding the ratio of mental health issues in the USA vs gun deaths as compared to the ratio in other countries, in particular 1st world countries? I maintain the USA ratio is much lower. If this is accurate how would you explain it and propose to fix it?

JohnInCarolina · July 2022

JohnInCarolina · July 2022

WildmanWilson said:

dbCooper said:

@WildmanWilson
Correct my understanding if incorrect, you seem to maintain the availability of guns/ammunition is a non-issue. So take that as a given fact and remove from discussion. Further, you point to focusing on mental health issues as a root cause.
From your research can you supply facts regarding the ratio of mental health issues in the USA vs gun deaths as compared to the ratio in other countries, in particular 1st world countries? I maintain the USA ratio is much lower. If this is accurate how would you explain it and propose to fix it?

Now explain why mental health is worse now? Are kids being over medicated? Has the woke culture created more snowflakes that can't deal with life? Maybe?

“From your research can you supply facts regarding the ratio of mental health issues in the USA vs gun deaths as compared to the ratio in other countries, in particular 1st world countries?”

That would be a NO, apparently. Not a fact in sight backing up this view of mental health as the root cause.

caliking · July 2022

I can't tell whether you're being so naive that it's cute, disingenuous, or just plain ignorant.

There isn't as much research re: gun violence, gun control (causes, contributing factors, impact, etc.), because... thanks Dickey amendment.

https://www.apa.org/science/about/psa/2013/02/gun-violence

JohnInCarolina · July 2022

WildmanWilson said:

JohnInCarolina said:

WildmanWilson said:

dbCooper said:

@WildmanWilson
Correct my understanding if incorrect, you seem to maintain the availability of guns/ammunition is a non-issue. So take that as a given fact and remove from discussion. Further, you point to focusing on mental health issues as a root cause.
From your research can you supply facts regarding the ratio of mental health issues in the USA vs gun deaths as compared to the ratio in other countries, in particular 1st world countries? I maintain the USA ratio is much lower. If this is accurate how would you explain it and propose to fix it?

Now explain why mental health is worse now? Are kids being over medicated? Has the woke culture created more snowflakes that can't deal with life? Maybe?

“From your research can you supply facts regarding the ratio of mental health issues in the USA vs gun deaths as compared to the ratio in other countries, in particular 1st world countries?”

That would be a NO, apparently. Not a fact in sight backing up this view of mental health as the root cause.

Funny that none of you answer anything I ask. Probably because you have no facts to stand on.

Some time ago you had opined that we don’t really have any more guns in the US now than when you were growing up. When presented with data that shows that actually, we have a lot more guns now per capita than we did 20 years ago, you asked “what does that prove?”

You are totally immune to facts, logic, and reason on this issue and just about every other one as far as I can tell. It’s been entertaining watching your self owns though so by all means carry on my dude.

JohnInCarolina · July 2022

WildmanWilson said:

So you will not answer my questions? I'm wearing my shocked face...All of you only deflect. Doesn't matter if I ask about guns or Biden's policies, you simple post more gibberish without answering anything. How about this...can you give me a definition of what a woman is? Seems even that's too hard for a lib to answer now.

I list data and you list opinions. I've shown with data how ARs are not the problem you want us to believe. I've shown public mass shootings are just a fraction of the actual homicides and your answer is more laws and take ARs even though they are a blip of the data sheet. Why aren't any of you complaining about the people in the cities like Chicago and Baltimore being slaughtered. Is it because its one or two at a time? Or that they use handguns? Or that they are mostly black? It seems you only care when its a gun free zone and you get a chance to scream for more gun control.

Yes, you are right.

'No Way To Prevent This,' says Only Nation Where This Regularly Happens

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