Gulfcoastguy said:

JTerpderpitude said:

Gulfcoastguy said:

caliking said:

Gulfcoastguy said:

caliking said:

Gulfcoastguy said:

caliking said:

Gulfcoastguy said:

caliking said:

Legume said:

caliking said:

womaus said:

Massachusetts, a couple of days ago was walking out of a Home Depot to my car. Young family approached me, husband/wife/kid in carriage. I had a mask on, they didn't.
She started up a conversation with me. Asked if I was vax'd. I replied affirmatively. They asked "so how's it going?". I said just fine.

Turns out they were bible thumping anti-vaxxers. Turned into an interesting conversation.

Eejits.

 

I'm kinda okay with antivaxxers. It's their choice to dance with death. May even take some of them out of the gene pool.

There's some speculation that unchecked COVID infection and transmission among the antivaxxers/"its-all-a-hoax"ers, etc. will contribute to strains mutating, and possibly not being covered by current vaccines.

That's a tough one. For the moment, I'm done proselytizing re: vaccination. E.g. someone at work was holding out... until her adult daughter was infected with COVID. Then she was scrambling to figure out how to get vaccinated right quick. 

Yep, that’s a concern, but need to get vax to the rest of the world that want it first, that’s where the biggest impact can be now.

Agreed. But there's a big gap between a cargo load of vaccine doses landing on a tarmac, and getting them into bodies. 

Re: India, 70%+ of the population is rural. Which doesn't mean that the closest Wal-Mart is 15 miles away. (not being snarky. That's the only metric I can think of, off the cuff). 

Don’t they have Army medics? That is who are running our mass vaccination clinics in my state. Johnson and Johnson might be the best shot. It can be kept in an ice chest and one shot is all that is needed. There are no more side effects than AstraZeneca which is the main vaccine that they are using now. Convoy village to village, vaccinate all adults and move to the next one. We might have to donate the vaccine and syringes but they have the labor available.

With all due respect, you have no idea. 

Serum Institute of India is the world's largest vaccine manufacturer.  Effectively vaccinating a country's population goes way beyond that. 

You said that the problem was not availability of vaccine but getting shots into arms. I suggested a method of getting vaccine to the rural villages. If you have a better method lay it out. I already knew that they were producing AZ under license as well as a local vaccine . So if it isn’t labor or materials or vaccine then what is the problem. I understand a population of 1.4 billion is a huge number but they can accept help or do it themselves.

to be clear, I was not trying to be sarcastic, or snarky. Honestly. These things are difficult to convey over the interwebz. 

But, if the response is "don't they have army medics?" then the answer is... no, they don't.

Ensuring one vote per citizen, during elections, is challenging enough.

Getting 2 doses of a vaccine (possibly one J&J dose, which is not readily available, not readily administered anywhere else, etc.) into each body, is exponentially more difficult. 

Again, this is not an attack on your idea or intent, which i am sure is well intentioned. Its just not practical, in the context of India. 

Okay the US has hospital ships, corpsmen, helicopters , and tilt rotor long range planes. If requested we could transport vaccine, medical personnel, and vaccine anywhere within 400 miles of the coastline. Local support would have to be translators and a signed agreement freeing all personnel from civil and criminal action. The ships could even refill oxygen tanks though probably a fraction of what is needed.

*sigh* Yes. Please deploy all of that. Globally. (I think that's a word).

Let me know how it goes...

As I said they would have to ask and not shoot at our ships, helicopters, and people. As far as globally, 1.4 billion plus our own 330 million plus maybe Mexico and Canada is about as far as the US can reasonably go. The world is a sad place.

It’s really a shame that the entire country of India and the US State Department don’t have big idea people like yourself who can brainstorm around these kinds of solutions.

And it’s a real shame that all you and the rest of the flock of Karens can’t do anything but crap on them. 

Gulfcoastguy said:

JTerpderpitude said:

Gulfcoastguy said:

caliking said:

Gulfcoastguy said:

caliking said:

Gulfcoastguy said:

caliking said:

Gulfcoastguy said:

caliking said:

Legume said:

caliking said:

womaus said:

Massachusetts, a couple of days ago was walking out of a Home Depot to my car. Young family approached me, husband/wife/kid in carriage. I had a mask on, they didn't.
She started up a conversation with me. Asked if I was vax'd. I replied affirmatively. They asked "so how's it going?". I said just fine.

Turns out they were bible thumping anti-vaxxers. Turned into an interesting conversation.

Eejits.

 

I'm kinda okay with antivaxxers. It's their choice to dance with death. May even take some of them out of the gene pool.

There's some speculation that unchecked COVID infection and transmission among the antivaxxers/"its-all-a-hoax"ers, etc. will contribute to strains mutating, and possibly not being covered by current vaccines.

That's a tough one. For the moment, I'm done proselytizing re: vaccination. E.g. someone at work was holding out... until her adult daughter was infected with COVID. Then she was scrambling to figure out how to get vaccinated right quick. 

Yep, that’s a concern, but need to get vax to the rest of the world that want it first, that’s where the biggest impact can be now.

Agreed. But there's a big gap between a cargo load of vaccine doses landing on a tarmac, and getting them into bodies. 

Re: India, 70%+ of the population is rural. Which doesn't mean that the closest Wal-Mart is 15 miles away. (not being snarky. That's the only metric I can think of, off the cuff). 

Don’t they have Army medics? That is who are running our mass vaccination clinics in my state. Johnson and Johnson might be the best shot. It can be kept in an ice chest and one shot is all that is needed. There are no more side effects than AstraZeneca which is the main vaccine that they are using now. Convoy village to village, vaccinate all adults and move to the next one. We might have to donate the vaccine and syringes but they have the labor available.

With all due respect, you have no idea. 

Serum Institute of India is the world's largest vaccine manufacturer.  Effectively vaccinating a country's population goes way beyond that. 

You said that the problem was not availability of vaccine but getting shots into arms. I suggested a method of getting vaccine to the rural villages. If you have a better method lay it out. I already knew that they were producing AZ under license as well as a local vaccine . So if it isn’t labor or materials or vaccine then what is the problem. I understand a population of 1.4 billion is a huge number but they can accept help or do it themselves.

to be clear, I was not trying to be sarcastic, or snarky. Honestly. These things are difficult to convey over the interwebz. 

But, if the response is "don't they have army medics?" then the answer is... no, they don't.

Ensuring one vote per citizen, during elections, is challenging enough.

Getting 2 doses of a vaccine (possibly one J&J dose, which is not readily available, not readily administered anywhere else, etc.) into each body, is exponentially more difficult. 

Again, this is not an attack on your idea or intent, which i am sure is well intentioned. Its just not practical, in the context of India. 

Okay the US has hospital ships, corpsmen, helicopters , and tilt rotor long range planes. If requested we could transport vaccine, medical personnel, and vaccine anywhere within 400 miles of the coastline. Local support would have to be translators and a signed agreement freeing all personnel from civil and criminal action. The ships could even refill oxygen tanks though probably a fraction of what is needed.

*sigh* Yes. Please deploy all of that. Globally. (I think that's a word).

Let me know how it goes...

As I said they would have to ask and not shoot at our ships, helicopters, and people. As far as globally, 1.4 billion plus our own 330 million plus maybe Mexico and Canada is about as far as the US can reasonably go. The world is a sad place.

It’s really a shame that the entire country of India and the US State Department don’t have big idea people like yourself who can brainstorm around these kinds of solutions.

And it’s a real shame that all you and the rest of the flock of Karens can’t do anything but crap on them. 

SciAggie said:

I just attended a multi-day wedding event for a niece. From rehearsal dinner to wedding to next day brunch, each event was 65-150 people. The cool part was EVERYONE was vaccinated (proof was required before travel). Events were all outdoors (thank you beautiful California weather). 

It was fun to attend an event where I was not constantly doing a risk analysis of the situation. 

Oh, and the food/drink was fabulous. 

Eoin said:

caliking said:

Eoin said:

Daughter's housemate just tested positive. Late 20s had double Pfizer. She went for a test because she had a fever. Getting a different test now, looking for variants, although the medics think the vaccine plus a cold could confuse the test. Daughter had covid in October, but still has to isolate now for 10 days.

That's a bummer. Hope she and your daughter are doing well.

Its been a bit since I read the results of the vaccine trials, so I don't remember what they found re: getting infected. The take-home point I remember is that its touted efficacy was wrt serious illness/hospitalization/death. Especially for folks >65yo. 

Apparently, the vaccines are working well for >65yo in the UK, given the recent advent of the Indian variant. Majority of infections caused by the Indian variant are in younger, unvaccinated folks. 

Patients in the US are not being aggressively sequenced, so we likely won't know the impact of new(er) strains here. 

Still vaccinating in sequence here although vaccine supply seems good and cities are opening walk in centres for anyone to turn up that are attracting younger people.  These are also aimed at areas where take up has been lower (generally poorer areas). 75% of adults have ad 1 dose, 50% 2 doses.

The case count is definitely on the rise again now, hopefully the vaccine amd incidence among younger people will mean these cases are less serious.

PigBeanUs said:

caliking said:

Eoin said:

caliking said:

Eoin said:

Daughter's housemate just tested positive. Late 20s had double Pfizer. She went for a test because she had a fever. Getting a different test now, looking for variants, although the medics think the vaccine plus a cold could confuse the test. Daughter had covid in October, but still has to isolate now for 10 days.

That's a bummer. Hope she and your daughter are doing well.

Its been a bit since I read the results of the vaccine trials, so I don't remember what they found re: getting infected. The take-home point I remember is that its touted efficacy was wrt serious illness/hospitalization/death. Especially for folks >65yo. 

Apparently, the vaccines are working well for >65yo in the UK, given the recent advent of the Indian variant. Majority of infections caused by the Indian variant are in younger, unvaccinated folks. 

Patients in the US are not being aggressively sequenced, so we likely won't know the impact of new(er) strains here. 

Still vaccinating in sequence here although vaccine supply seems good and cities are opening walk in centres for anyone to turn up that are attracting younger people.  These are also aimed at areas where take up has been lower (generally poorer areas). 75% of adults have ad 1 dose, 50% 2 doses.

The case count is definitely on the rise again now, hopefully the vaccine amd incidence among younger people will mean these cases are less serious.

That's an impressive number of folks that have been vaccinated. 

No calling it buIIshit? Interesting

PigBeanUs said:

No.  I'm more current with US stats, which are also easier for me to verify, if something doesn't smell right. So, easier to call bullshitt. 

Don't be sad that I gave him the benefit of the doubt

Plus, you should verify the info you read. We all should. 

I’m sure this made sense in your head before you typed it. 

nolaegghead said:

I'm down to 184 from a high of 220. Want to lose another 10 and then work on maintenance and cardio.  Really easy for me to lose weight now that I cut out 2200 calories of booze.  And I'm on a drug whose side effect is appetite suppression that I'll be on for the rest of my life.

But I was really unhealthy when this pandemic hit but successfully managed, following CDC guidelines, to avoid getting sick.  And since then, have turned everything around in the right direction.