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72 hour pizza dough
texaswig
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started this one tonight .I'll give a report in a few days?
https://bakingsteel.com/blogs/news/72-hour-pizza-dough
https://bakingsteel.com/blogs/news/72-hour-pizza-dough
2-XLs ,MM,blackstone,Ooni koda 16,R&V works 8.5 gallon fryer,express smoker and 40" smoking cajun
scott
Greenville Tx
scott
Greenville Tx
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well, in at least 3 days, sure"I've made a note never to piss you two off." - Stike
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That’s the one I use I like itSuffolk,VA .XLBGE ,Blackstone griddle.
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looking forward to the report. Longest I’ve gone is 48 hours.Mankato, MN - LBGE
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70 percent hydration is way too hard to handle. Less water next time for sure.

2-XLs ,MM,blackstone,Ooni koda 16,R&V works 8.5 gallon fryer,express smoker and 40" smoking cajun
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Looks great! What was the cook temp? Raised into the dome?-----------------------------------------------------------------------
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Looking good, Scott!
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The flour that you are using has an impact on how much water the dough can take and how long it can be fermented. 72 hours/high hydration with a weaker flour will result in a dough that is difficult to handle. If you can get your hands on Italian flour, lookup their “W” rating. The “W” rating is almost always published for Italian flours; I’ve never seen it for Canadian and American flours but if you contact the manufacturer they should be able to help you. For a 72 hours room temperature fermentation, you are looking for a W375+ flour, ideally W400. It doesn’t mean that weaker flour won’t work but that’s usually a very good indicator. To give you an idea, Manitoba flour (it is a type of strong flour typically used to reinforce weaker flour) has a minimum W rating of 350 but typically 375-385. It is not my flour of choice for pizza, but it is the better American/Canadian option for long fermentation.
Nice pies BTW!____________________Entrepreneurs are simply those who understand that there is little difference between obstacle and opportunity and are able to turn both to their advantage. •Niccolo Machiavelli -
Those pies look great, Scott! I’m typically using a hydration around 62, but it’s fun to experiment with the range."I've made a note never to piss you two off." - Stike
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Those are looking pretty damn good from over here
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Good points about hydration. My pizza dough is usually 62%-65%.Nice leopard spots on the first pie.Coleman, Texas
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@Stormbringer I cooked these in a ooni oven. Around 450c. @paqman this is the flour I used. It was a 72 hour cold ferment.
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scott
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@texaswig The Caputo Pizzeria (blue bag) is W260-W270, optimal room temperature fermentation is 12 hours but good enough for 24 hours. Hydration is typically 62-65%.
The Caputo Cuoco (AKA Chef / red bag) is W300-W320, optimal RT fermentation is 24 hours but good enough for 48 hours. It can easily handle 65-70% hydration but I usually stick to 65%.
Caputo Manitoba is W360-W380 and can take up to 90% hydration. I personally don’t like it as a pizza flour but it is good to reinforce weaker flours.
I almost exclusively use the red bag mixed with some Caputo Nuvola Super (W320-W340). I mix 20-50% Nuvola depending on how long I plan to ferment and how long I will keep the dough in the fridge.
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I really have to upgrade my dough game- suffering from a little inferiority complex after reading through this post.Always a wealth of knowledge on here- thanks for sharing.Greensboro, NC
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@paqman have found any cooking temp differences between the blue and red?2-XLs ,MM,blackstone,Ooni koda 16,R&V works 8.5 gallon fryer,express smoker and 40" smoking cajun
scott
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Pizza dough is every bit of a rabbit hole as BBQ in my experience, perhaps even more so once you get into the Neapolitan stuff.Wolfpack said:I really have to upgrade my dough game- suffering from a little inferiority complex after reading through this post.Always a wealth of knowledge on here- thanks for sharing."I've made a note never to piss you two off." - Stike
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yes it is2-XLs ,MM,blackstone,Ooni koda 16,R&V works 8.5 gallon fryer,express smoker and 40" smoking cajun
scott
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I haven’t noticed a big difference between the two flours specifically but the fermentation time has an impact. With shorter fermentation, the leopard spots are larger and more distanced from each other and the crust browns more and faster, the bottom of the crust burns faster too. With longer fermentation, the leopard spots tend to get smaller and closer to each other and the crust doesn’t brown as much, it remains “whiter” even at higher temps. Same goes if you add sourdough starter to your dough, I think that it is the lactic acid that develops in the dough that slows down the Maillard reaction (browning).texaswig said:@paqman have found any cooking temp differences between the blue and red?
The other thing that I rarely see mentioned is diastatic malt powder, it helps a lot with pizza on the egg because of lower temperatures/longer cook time. It gives nice browning effect and helps keep the dough crispy on the outside but very tender inside. Not required at higher temps like on the Ooni/Roccbox.
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It definitely is... ask my wife 😂🤣 I have nearly 10 different types of flours in the house now. I am really, really close to getting a wood fired oven. Stupid bylaws... I can’t have a fixed oven, it has to be movable but I am working hard on getting a derogation. I was hesitant at first but getting the Roccbox was one of the greatest purchase I have ever made. When I got my egg, my main goal was to be able to make great high temperature pizza, it served me well for many years but the Roccbox really helped me step up my game. It also helps that I met an old Italian guy who is a mentor now and introduced me to the science behind the dough. It gets worst though... salt content is important (gluten development and slows down the yeast), mineral content of the water too (calcium hardness).JohnInCarolina said:
Pizza dough is every bit of a rabbit hole as BBQ in my experience, perhaps even more so once you get into the Neapolitan stuff.Wolfpack said:I really have to upgrade my dough game- suffering from a little inferiority complex after reading through this post.Always a wealth of knowledge on here- thanks for sharing.
Tomatoes... I purchased so many different brands of San Marzano DOP that I lost track. I have started taking notes of those I like but I think that I have enough for 2 years worth of sauce right now.____________________Entrepreneurs are simply those who understand that there is little difference between obstacle and opportunity and are able to turn both to their advantage. •Niccolo Machiavelli -
@paqman thanks for the help2-XLs ,MM,blackstone,Ooni koda 16,R&V works 8.5 gallon fryer,express smoker and 40" smoking cajun
scott
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Thank you,DarianGalveston Texas
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@Photo Egg I kinda needed something else to geek out on. I knew pizza was the next.2-XLs ,MM,blackstone,Ooni koda 16,R&V works 8.5 gallon fryer,express smoker and 40" smoking cajun
scott
Greenville Tx -
😂🤣 I tend to over do whatever I take on and push it to the extreme. Honestly, even “bad” batches of dough are still good. You can get awesome results with just plain AP flour, tap water, salt, and yeast. The tiny improvements when added to each other are what makes the difference between an awesome pizza dough and the best pizza dough you ever had.Photo Egg said:
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I forgot some dough in the fridge for a week and it looked like a gooey mess, way too loose. But I said F it and made some pies. The crust flavor was incredible.
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Exactly and they typically end up with big fat bubbles (which are super nice IMHO)nolaegghead said:I forgot some dough in the fridge for a week and it looked like a gooey mess, way too loose. But I said F it and made some pies. The crust flavor was incredible.____________________Entrepreneurs are simply those who understand that there is little difference between obstacle and opportunity and are able to turn both to their advantage. •Niccolo Machiavelli -
For fermentation times, if you have some doughs in the fridge, but can't get to them; would you freeze? If so would you freeze in a ball or form the pie, then freeze?
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texaswig said:@Photo Egg I kinda needed something else to geek out on. I knew pizza was the next.
Have you brewed beer yet? :-)
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I don’t have freezer real estate to try freezing dough and I typically plan ahead of time when making pizza. When I end up with extra dough, I typically bake it with some pesto and parmesan cheese as an appetizerRyanStl said:For fermentation times, if you have some doughs in the fridge, but can't get to them; would you freeze? If so would you freeze in a ball or form the pie, then freeze?____________________Entrepreneurs are simply those who understand that there is little difference between obstacle and opportunity and are able to turn both to their advantage. •Niccolo Machiavelli -
RyanStl said:For fermentation times, if you have some doughs in the fridge, but can't get to them; would you freeze? If so would you freeze in a ball or form the pie, then freeze?
I will freeze dough balls in ziploc bags that I have put some olive oil in. I have never frozen a pie form, would be too hard to do, IMO. Although it is a thing to shape the dough into a pie and maybe sauce it, par bake it for a few minutes then freeze. Those will be a lot less fragile.
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I've been afraid to go down this rabbit hole. I'm in the good is good enough camp at the moment. I use KA bread flour with about 7% spelt and 7% whole wheat, sourdough starter, and 62% hydration. I like the flavor of this a lot. I make bread with the same flour and bump the hydration to 80%.Coleman, Texas
Large BGE & Mini Max for the wok. A few old camp Dutch ovens and a wood fired oven. LSG 24” cabinet offset smoker. There are a few paella pans and a Patagonia cross in the barn. A curing chamber for bacterial transformation of meats...
"Bourbon slushies. Sure you can cook on the BGE without them, but why would you?"
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80% is no-knead territory, so that's what you're doing for your bread?SciAggie said:I've been afraid to go down this rabbit hole. I'm in the good is good enough camp at the moment. I use KA bread flour with about 7% spelt and 7% whole wheat, sourdough starter, and 62% hydration. I like the flavor of this a lot. I make bread with the same flour and bump the hydration to 80%.
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