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  • Ozzie_Isaac
    Ozzie_Isaac Posts: 21,649
    Botch said:
    Ozzie_Isaac said:
    Infinitie/Lexus/Audi owners do not check their oil, let alone check it. 
    Wat?  

    Sorry, replace 1st check with "change".

    I would rather light a candle than curse your darkness.

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  • Ozzie_Isaac
    Ozzie_Isaac Posts: 21,649
    nolaegghead said:
    Botch said:
    Ozzie_Isaac said:
    Infinitie/Lexus/Audi owners do not check their oil, let alone check it. 
    Wat?  

    There is a level sensor and it will tell YOU when it's low.  No need to use a dipstick unless it's just for fun on this forum.

    Anyway, most cars are like this now.  Progress, technology and all those demonized things, etc.
    Used to work for an OEM.  Oil level sensors were a massive PIA.  I do not trust them at all.  Give me a sight tube any day over a sensor.

    Issues were sensor placement, temperature, aeration, software glitches, sensor failures, air pockets, oil sloshing,etc.

    I would rather light a candle than curse your darkness.

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  • nolaegghead
    nolaegghead Posts: 42,109
    Ozzie_Isaac said:
    nolaegghead said:
    Botch said:
    Ozzie_Isaac said:
    Infinitie/Lexus/Audi owners do not check their oil, let alone check it. 
    Wat?  

    There is a level sensor and it will tell YOU when it's low.  No need to use a dipstick unless it's just for fun on this forum.

    Anyway, most cars are like this now.  Progress, technology and all those demonized things, etc.
    Used to work for an OEM.  Oil level sensors were a massive PIA.  I do not trust them at all.  Give me a sight tube any day over a sensor.

    Issues were sensor placement, temperature, aeration, software glitches, sensor failures, air pockets, oil sloshing,etc.
    Those are mostly avoidable by choice and engineering.   Like anything electric/ mechanical, it can fail.  Overall they are good for car owners because people don't check their damn oil with a dipstick.  Never heard of a sight tube for consumer grade automobiles. 

    Anyway, I would hope they fail with a low reading.  Many manufacturers are putting the sensor on the pan where it can be easily replaced.
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  • Ozzie_Isaac
    Ozzie_Isaac Posts: 21,649
    edited November 2020
    nolaegghead said:
    Ozzie_Isaac said:
    nolaegghead said:
    Botch said:
    Ozzie_Isaac said:
    Infinitie/Lexus/Audi owners do not check their oil, let alone check it. 
    Wat?  

    There is a level sensor and it will tell YOU when it's low.  No need to use a dipstick unless it's just for fun on this forum.

    Anyway, most cars are like this now.  Progress, technology and all those demonized things, etc.
    Used to work for an OEM.  Oil level sensors were a massive PIA.  I do not trust them at all.  Give me a sight tube any day over a sensor.

    Issues were sensor placement, temperature, aeration, software glitches, sensor failures, air pockets, oil sloshing,etc.
    Those are mostly avoidable by choice and engineering.   Like anything electric/ mechanical, it can fail.  Overall they are good for car owners because people don't check their damn oil with a dipstick.  Never heard of a sight tube for consumer grade automobiles. 

    Anyway, I would hope they fail with a low reading.  Many manufacturers are putting the sensor on the pan where it can be easily replaced.
    They are avoidable through engineering, however CFD (commercial application, not academia) has not caught up to complex flow type environments as experienced in some oil pan, sump, and case designs.  Flow characteristics change a lot with temperature too as viscosity changes.  This all leads to an amazingly wide range of oil heights inside the sumps.  Unfortunately, the best way to learn is to build and test.  Then you hope your designer put the boss for the sensor in the right place, because no way a bean counter lets you change a casting for a sensor.  You get to fix it in software instead.

    The value of oil level checks multiple times a second is debatable.  Check it at start up, at operating temp, and then rely on pressure there after.

    I would rather light a candle than curse your darkness.

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  • nolaegghead
    nolaegghead Posts: 42,109
    The oil splashes around, sure - they can integrate the signal over time.  Some sensors are only used when the engine is off, no splashing.  Temp can be compensated for, but what's important is the gross volume of oil.  Not too full to hit the crankshaft and not too empty when the oil pickup could draw in excessive air.
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  • Ozzie_Isaac
    Ozzie_Isaac Posts: 21,649
    nolaegghead said:
    The oil splashes around, sure - they can integrate the signal over time.  Some sensors are only used when the engine is off, no splashing.  Temp can be compensated for, but what's important is the gross volume of oil.  Not too full to hit the crankshaft and not too empty when the oil pickup could draw in excessive air.
    Agreed on oil level.  One generally has a fair margin for error.

    Another thing is dipsticks are good for checking oil quality.  I do not think any sensors tell you when coolant is leaking into your oil.

    I would rather light a candle than curse your darkness.

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  • nolaegghead
    nolaegghead Posts: 42,109
    Not the end of the world.  You can get an oil sample in a pinch through the filler, crank case vent or any hole into a valve cover. 

    ALERT!  Woot! clearance has 4, 6 and 8 foot plastic folding tables for $26, 32 or 35, respectively.  Max 3.  I even tried to login again and reorder.  nope.  Anyway, got 8 8' tables.  That's a steal.
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  • nolaegghead
    nolaegghead Posts: 42,109
    free shipping
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  • Eoin
    Eoin Posts: 4,304
    nolaegghead said:
    Changed the oil on the Q5.  Lifted it, pulled off a panel under the engine, no apparent drain plug like I've ever seen (turns out there was one), then watched a video on changing the oil and the guy who shot it just pumped the oil out from the dipstick (no factory dipstick in it) line.  So I did that.  I have an oil-sucker-outer.  The oil and filter change was otherwise super easy.


    Seems to me that the last bit of dirty oil at the bottom will be left using a sucker compared to draining.
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  • Eoin
    Eoin Posts: 4,304
    nolaegghead said:
    Botch said:
    Ozzie_Isaac said:
    Infinitie/Lexus/Audi owners do not check their oil, let alone check it. 
    Wat?  

    There is a level sensor and it will tell YOU when it's low.  No need to use a dipstick unless it's just for fun on this forum.

    Anyway, most cars are like this now.  Progress, technology and all those demonized things, etc.
    My last BMW had no dipstick at all.
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  • nolaegghead
    nolaegghead Posts: 42,109
    Eoin said:
    nolaegghead said:
    Botch said:
    Ozzie_Isaac said:
    Infinitie/Lexus/Audi owners do not check their oil, let alone check it. 
    Wat?  

    There is a level sensor and it will tell YOU when it's low.  No need to use a dipstick unless it's just for fun on this forum.

    Anyway, most cars are like this now.  Progress, technology and all those demonized things, etc.
    My last BMW had no dipstick at all.
    This car didn't have a dipstick either, same with our previous two X3s.  There's a dipstick tube with a cap that you can buy a dipstick for.  Until the sensor fails I'm not going to bother.  And even then I'll just replace the sensor.

    I drained with the sucky thing and changed the filter.  Took 5.5 quarts of oil to get it to 80% of the fill range, which is perfect.  Book says a 5.5 quart change, so looks like it got out enough oil.

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  • Ozzie_Isaac
    Ozzie_Isaac Posts: 21,649
    @nolaegghead I hope you have another shop to rent.  That one is getting pretty full.

    I would rather light a candle than curse your darkness.

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  • fishlessman
    fishlessman Posts: 34,573
    the rover tells you how much oil to add if it gets low, pain waiting for the reading though, it takes a good 10 minutes wait as it starts to cool down and drip back to level
    fukahwee maine

    you can lead a fish to water but you can not make him drink it
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  • GrateEggspectations
    GrateEggspectations Posts: 11,547
    nolaegghead said:
    Changed the oil on the Q5.  Lifted it, pulled off a panel under the engine, no apparent drain plug like I've ever seen (turns out there was one), then watched a video on changing the oil and the guy who shot it just pumped the oil out from the dipstick (no factory dipstick in it) line.  So I did that.  I have an oil-sucker-outer.  The oil and filter change was otherwise super easy.


    One of my vehicles, a 2015 Golf, shares that exact drain plug. While I love that all you need is a flathead to change it, I’ve cracked a few of them when (over)tightening into place. Guess that’s why the manufacturer recommends they be swapped on every change. 
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  • hoosier_egger
    hoosier_egger Posts: 6,808
    Thanks @nolaegghead got a couple coming. 
    ~ John - Formerly known as ColtsFan  - https://www.instagram.com/hoosier_egger
    XL BGE, LG BGE, Med BGE, BGE Chiminea, Ardore Pizza Oven
    Bloomington, IN - Hoo Hoo Hoo Hoosiers!

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  • TEXASBGE2018
    TEXASBGE2018 Posts: 3,831
    Thanks for making me spend my money nola


    Rockwall, Tx    LBGE, Minimax, 22" Blackstone, Pizza Party Bollore. Cast Iron Hoarder.

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  • Canugghead
    Canugghead Posts: 13,670

    canuckland
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  • Botch
    Botch Posts: 17,351
    Is it just me, or does anyone else think that NASA's new spacesuits look like something straight out of a B-grade Sci-Fi flick from the 1950's?
     

    “I'll have what she's having."  

        -Rob Reiner's mother!   

    Ogden, UT, USA

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  • nolaegghead
    nolaegghead Posts: 42,109
    Botch said:
    Is it just me, or does anyone else think that NASA's new spacesuits look like something straight out of a B-grade Sci-Fi flick from the 1950's?
     

    maybe...if they installed an antenna on their helmets. Also maybe more aluminum foil or dryer vents.

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  • WesJohnson
    WesJohnson Posts: 130
    Botch said:
    Is it just me, or does anyone else think that NASA's new spacesuits look like something straight out of a B-grade Sci-Fi flick from the 1950's?
     


    1 white devil, 1 Asian "man", 1 brotha from another motha, and 1 pair of tits. This is a Diversity Officer's wet dream....   
    I used to be able to name every nut that there was. 
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  • TTC
    TTC Posts: 1,035
    Lovely spread @Eoin
    XL BGE, Blackstone, Roccbox, Weber Gasser, Brown Water, Cigars --  Gallatin, TN

    2001 Mastercraft Maristar 230 VRS

    Ikon pass 

    Colorado in the winter and the Lake in the Summer
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  • Ozzie_Isaac
    Ozzie_Isaac Posts: 21,649
    SGH said:
    Burning a stump. 


    Do you drill it first and burn from the inside, or just pile wood around it and start a big fire?

    I would rather light a candle than curse your darkness.

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  • SGH
    SGH Posts: 28,988
    @Ozzie_Isaac
    I cut across the face pretty deep with a chainsaw and then just pile crap on it. 

    Location- Just "this side" of Biloxi, Ms.

    Status- Standing by.

    The greatest barrier against all wisdom, the stronghold against knowledge itself, is the single thought, in ones mind, that they already have it all figured out. 

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  • lousubcap
    lousubcap Posts: 36,720
    I'm all in with the drilling from the inside-tight natural fit for me after a stretch. =) All good! 
    Louisville; Rolling smoke in the neighbourhood.  Life is too short for light/lite beer!  Seems I'm livin in a transitional period. CHEETO (aka Agent Orange) makes Nixon look like a saint.  
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  • nolaegghead
    nolaegghead Posts: 42,109
    lousubcap said:
    I'm all in with the drilling from the inside-tight natural fit for me after a stretch. =) All good! 
    TMI!
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  • Ozzie_Isaac
    Ozzie_Isaac Posts: 21,649
    @lousubcap your old-timey way of talkin' takes me a few read throughs.

    I would rather light a candle than curse your darkness.

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  • lousubcap
    lousubcap Posts: 36,720
    @Ozzie_Isaac - I never thought it was so obvious... I aim to eliminate the ambiguity but sometimes...
    Louisville; Rolling smoke in the neighbourhood.  Life is too short for light/lite beer!  Seems I'm livin in a transitional period. CHEETO (aka Agent Orange) makes Nixon look like a saint.  
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  • Ozzie_Isaac
    Ozzie_Isaac Posts: 21,649
    lousubcap said:
    @Ozzie_Isaac - I never thought it was so obvious... I aim to eliminate the ambiguity but sometimes...
    It is unambiguous for sure.  It just takes me a few read throughs.  Like a memo from a lawyer.  It needs unpacking.

    I would rather light a candle than curse your darkness.

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