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Better Brisket Question

Normally I don’t eat bbq out at very many places but we do make one exception when we’re visiting our in-laws. Today was one of those days. After finishing a brisket sandwich one of my boys asked why their brisket was better than mine. Now I’d put my ribs and pulled pork up against anybody but my brisket isn’t quite there yet. So what can I do to step it up? Injection? Different rub?

Heres my process.

Ive been buying 15 lbs ish prime briskets from Costco. I use a simple salt, pepper, garlic powder rub. I smoke at 250ish and usually wrap at 160. They turn out good and moist but haven’t been as flavorful as I’d like. Any suggestions?

Comments

  • Mattman3969
    Mattman3969 Posts: 10,458

    I’m guessing it has to do with the smoke profile. Us Eggers have dirty smoke when we smoke below 325ish. The would just smolders and never ignites to clean up. I would bet that the place you guys ate at is running some form or stick burner that the fire itself is hot and flaming but with the cooking chamber far from the direct heat the meat is cooking 225-250 over clean smoke.


    Did any of that make sense?


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    analyze adapt overcome

    2008 -Large BGE. 2013- Small BGE and 2015 - Mini. Henderson, Ky.
  • lkapigian
    lkapigian Posts: 11,549
    edited April 2019

    ^^^^^this^^^^ and it may just be your kids taste in food

    My briskets SPG, once in a while rub with Better Than bouillon...my stick burner wins but on the egg is a winner as well

    Visalia, Ca @lkapigian
  • Mattman3969
    Mattman3969 Posts: 10,458

    @ikapigian - I think you post over at Guru from time to time. You ever played with the smoke pot in your egg?


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    analyze adapt overcome

    2008 -Large BGE. 2013- Small BGE and 2015 - Mini. Henderson, Ky.
  • lkapigian
    lkapigian Posts: 11,549

    Have not but on overnighter I'll find the largest piece of well seasoned oak from my wood pile that will fit in there and bury it in lump ...works well and I like it better than chunks from,the big box stores

    Visalia, Ca @lkapigian
  • lousubcap
    lousubcap Posts: 36,706

    Any better description...smoke profile, texture, taste?? Same general pieces of the cow-flat v flat, point v point that can help zero in?? Was it more sweet sauced vs yours?

    No expectation of a reply but things to explore in a fun way to help with how you may be able to react. Just trying to eliminate variables until you get to the friggin cow. Once there, all bets are off.

    Try a nekked to the finish brisket to get deeper flavor if that is the deal. You will get this.

    Have a great Friday and beyond.

    Louisville; Rolling smoke in the neighbourhood.  Life is too short for light/lite beer!  Seems I'm livin in a transitional period. CHEETO (aka Agent Orange) makes Nixon look like a saint.  
  • Yes the restaurant uses stick burners. Mine aren’t bad at all, just not as much Smokey goodness. I’ll try not wrapping next time. I don’t want to change more than one thing at a time. I think I’m turning my kids into bbq snobs. Same for seafood. They don’t want to eat anything other than what we catch ourselves and cook at home.

  • I've done over a hundred briskets on my egg. A few ideas:

    1. A flameboss, egg genius, etc DOES help.. not saying you can't without one (I do both) but it does.

    2. Prime matters. Trim more than usual off fat side so you can get the rub in the meat vs seasoning fat that tenders away.

    3. Go HEAVY on rub. Sometimes I use nearly half a rub bottle. Lanes BBQ has a garlic nuance to it, meat Church Holy Cow is a staple. Sucklebuster SPG is simple. Try light layer of mustard to bind. Keep trying different rubs.

    4. Try toying with misting right when you start with apple juice and then use a water tray. Smoke at 225 untill internal of 165 ish and remist and fill tray. This brings temps down and stalls brisket more meaning longer smoke but not "cooking" if that makes sense. Builds amazing bark.

    5. Wrap the flat with peach paper but leave the point out. It's NOT going to dry out, esp in an egg. This allows more bark, more smoke, more flavor.

    6. Use post oak chunks when smoking. I use Fogo super premium with brisket (love the smoke flavor profile) and 2 decent sized chunks, 1 or 2 near the bottom of the grate and then 1 right on top where the coals start. This keeps a good smoke going all night. When they really smolder, the fire needs more air to keep up, this is why an egg genius or other fan based system will compensate. Pecan works too but is VERY strong.

    7. Try different things. No one thing will make it perfect but keep trying. The egg genius tracks temp, fan use, internal temp all over time and stores it. Learn from cooks and adjust untill you find what works!!

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    Dallas Texas.
    2 x XLBGE 1 x LBGE.
    Tech:  EggGenius and Thermoworks Smoke w Gateway
    Lump: Rockwood/Fogo
    Wood: Cherry, Apple, PostOak, Pecan
    Meat: Costco, Deep Cuts
    Rubs: Meat Church, HardcoreCarnivore, John Henry's
  • bradleya123
    bradleya123 Posts: 485

    I just did one Wednesday at 250, with home made rub, never foil here, probed like butter at 201 = perfection!!!

    Retired Navy, LBGE
    Pinehurst, NC

  • YukonRon
    YukonRon Posts: 17,261

    I do a lot of briskets. I do not know how many, but I am willing to wager it has been more than 100.

    It starts with the grade of beef. I use prime, exclusively. I trim the hard fat off the brisket, and some of the excess on the fat side. On a 12-14 # brisket usually 2-3 pounds is removed.

    I cook low and slow, indirect, I use Rockwood lump charcoal exclusively and use primarily chunks to smoke with, either French White Oak or Southern Pecan, occasionally a mixture of both. I only smoke with dry seasoned wood. I will not soak, because that is useless, and does not provide good flavor. Besides if water penetrated wood, they would have never made boats from it.

    I use a very large amount of rub, and I do not wrap during the cook on my XL, ever. I never need mustard as a base. The spice mix is rubbed in by hand. I let sit one to two hours prior to placing on the BGE while waiting for the egg to stablize. I have cooked as low as 225F, as high as 275F, 15 to 20 degree swings in temp is no biggie.

    When the IT breaks 190F, I start probing every 2-3 degrees with a toothpick, in the thickest part of the flat, until I find zero resistance. I have often found that It is usually north of the 195F IT, but have pulled in the low 190sF IT as well.

    As @lousubcap has said...."The cow drives the cook." Frank is the brisket wizard, pay close attention to what he says.

    Then when there is zero resistance, I pull, wrap in butcher paper (cheap white), then wrap in a towel and place in a cooler (up to 6 hours is my longest) waiting to serve.

    The bark is delicious, the smoke profile is great, and the meat is juicy and tender, so full of flavor.

    I also inject. I use 50% beef broth, 25% Onion Juice, 25% Garlic Juice. I inject prior to the cook, prior to the stall, and immediately after the stall.

    Many refuse to do so, because it is thought to be cheating. If so, then why use any rubs other than salt and black pepper?

    Whatever.

    All I know, is when I put it on the table, for friends and family, it is the best brisket they have ever had. It is not like I am feeding folks unaware of what great brisket should be, as they are from Texas, KC, and other places, where Brisket is part of practically every meal.

    I have been to BBQ comps. I have seen the folks that win. They inject too, I watched them do it.

    That is all.

    "Knowledge is Good" - Emil Faber

    XL and MM
    Louisville, Kentucky
  • BigMacBBQ
    BigMacBBQ Posts: 2
    I'm not an expert (yet!) but I'm sharing my experiences in case something helps you out. There is so much info on the site and there are so many factors to consider and try -- which just makes it more fun and a real hobby.
    So, the first thing I did when I got my BGE (few years ago) was to buy a Brisket for my first cook. It took over 11 hours @ 250F and I made the rookie of mistake of starting the fire at 8am so we didn't eat until 9pm. The other "eaters" were not happy when I told them that it had to rest too!  But it turned out amazing. It was AA (Canadian, eh?) but the Butcher trimmed it up perfectly on top and it had a perfect fat cap on the bottom. I put a rub together on my own using suggestions from all sorts of posts I read. I wrapped with butcher paper but I didn't inject at any point. I also ended up cutting the Point off and just cooking the flat because it looked to big to fit on my green egg and I read somewhere that some people even throw out the point (do NOT do that!).
    I didn't try my 2nd brisket cook until the following year as I was trying all sorts of other meats- pork and beef ribs, pork butt, turkey, pulled beef, pizza etc. Well, 2nd brisket was not nearly as good as the first one. It was AAA beef and took me almost 9 hours  -- it was a bit smaller and I cooked it a little hotter at 275F as I was trying to do the "hot and fast" method. I did notice that after the stall it seemed to raise in temperature much faster than during my first cook. I pulled it at 202F and wrapped for 2 or 3 hours.
    My 3rd attempt was about a month ago and it was because I wanted to test out my Egg Genius on an over night cook as I wanted to do a trial run for another brisket I need to cook for this weekend. Brisket was AA and frozen for about 1.5 years in my freezer. I used a different rub this time as it was almost entirely pepper and salt with only a little bit of other spices (ie. more traditional Texas style). I also injected with a beef broth, apple juice, and some spices combo. It took 11hr and 15 min and turned out the juiciest of all my briskets and the brisket point was so juicy and the bark was excellent. However, the actual cook was an absolute nightmare because it turns out the Egg Genius took a firmware/software update that broke it -- it had worked perfectly during my previous uses. The Egg Genius kept going offline at random times and sometimes when it went offline the fan would go to 100% and sometimes it would just turn off completely.  It was an over night cook started at 11pm so one time I didn't wake up in time and the BGE temp dropped to 150F (was cooking at 225F) and the actual brisket temp even dropped 10 degrees before I woke up. At 6am I figured it had taken enough smoke and I finished it off in my oven after I wrapped it. When the temp hit 200F I put the oven on broil to crisp up the bark.  I took it out after less than 5 min on broil and poured the juices from the wrap over top -- wrapped in tin foil and rested for 2 hours.   As I said, it was the best tasting and juiciest of the 3 so far but the most painful cook because of the Egg Genius.

    What I have learned so far-- well, nothing definitive to be honest! But patience is key and remember there really are so many factors to consider. I read somewhere that the brisket is the most difficult to perfect of all the BBQ cooks and I have to agree.

    Someone here said they inject twice during the cook which I hadn't even thought of and I want to try at some point. I hope something in this post is helpful for someone. Cheers!
  • Photo Egg
    Photo Egg Posts: 12,137
    Maybe your boy is just messing with your head?
    Thank you,
    Darian

    Galveston Texas