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Holding 225 overnight
Twice now I've kicked off long slow smokes at 10ish, stabilized the temp on my BGE at 225, gone to bed at 1:00 or 2:00 with the temp still holding steady, and awakened at 8:00 or so to find the temp drifted too low or too high (once it was at about 150 for a giant pork butt, the other it was at 275 for a 14 pound brisket). Both times I put fruit juice and water in my drip pan on top of the convEGGtor, and both times, it was evaporated when I checked it in the morning, and both times I suspect I put too much charcoal and/or too many chunks of whatever was my smoking medium (i.e. hickory or cherry). Any ideas to keep the temp between 225 and 250 for several hours? Is it the liquid in the drip pan that evaporates, causing the temp to increase? Too much charcoal? Or am I destined to wake up and check it every couple of hours?
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Ditch the water pan , when running without fan assist my egg likes 275 to 325 and I'm ok with that...if I want to really slow things down I use my Stoker
I fill 75% for overnighters and have most if that left when done
Visalia, Ca @lkapigian -
Welcome aboard - and yes, once the liquids evaporate, you will get a temp spike. No need to put liquids in a drip pan in the egg - it retains enough moisture naturally. Also, you could consider a temp controller (I love the Smobot. But others here are big fans of the Flameboss and a few others out there)?
edit - I doubt the amount of lump has anything to do with your issues, unless you don’t put enough in and your fire dies.
Memphis, TN
LBGE, 2 SBGE, Hasty-Bake Gourmet -
Welcome to the forum. I have been in your shoes many times. I’d suggest losing the water/juice in the drip pan. Not needed in an egg as it is in other cookers. You aren’t using too much lump. I have had the same issue with losing the temp overnight. Mine always goes south. I started trying to stabilize between 250-275° Instead of 225° and have not had any issues. Stabilize for at least 1 hour before putting protein on overnight. Temp will drop but should bounce back where it was. Also, make sure you aren’t using all large pieces of lump. But I’d say start with losing the drip pan with liquid in it and you should see improvement.
Snellville, GA -
Looks like I was too slow. Ditto the above comments. Looking forward to seeing the future briskets and other cooks!
Snellville, GA -
You'll get different answers from different people. Consider them all, maybe try a few different things and see what works for you. For me,
- Don't use a water pan. (a) They are necessary in some smokers but NOT kamados, and (b) they are heat sinks, so yep, the temp will change when the water runs out.
- Similarly, some smokers do their best work at 225° or even lower, but not kamados! A stick burner at 225° has a small fire but it's actually burning, NOT half-suffocating or smoldering. To keep a Big Green Egg that low, the fire has to be so tiny it's just barely smoldering. You get a different kind of smoke, you get less smoke, it just isn't as good. At 250°-275° BGEs just run better, smoke better, taste better, AND you are less likely to need to keep a fire burning near your house all night long, which is dangerous if you're not there watching it.
- Many people here swear that even higher temps ("turbo") produce results that are every bit as good as 250°-275°, but that drastically cut down on the hours needed for a long cook. Again, you don't have to be fussing with an all-night cook.
My 2¢. Probably worth less.
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Y'all are awesome, thanks! I'll ditch the liquid/drip pan and leave it a little hotter before getting some zzz's and we'll see what we get.
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Welcome aboard and enjoy the journey. Above all, have fun.
Solid advice above especially about ditching the water but if running low&slow you do need an air-gapped drip pan. Also on a relative scale, lump is cheap compard to sleep so if you continue to run w/o a controller (as do I) on over-night cooks, fire it up around 8-9 PM and get stable for a few hours before loading the protein for the over night run. FWIW-
Louisville; Rolling smoke in the neighbourhood. # 38 for the win. Life is too short for light/lite beer! Seems I'm livin in a transitional period. -
Like you I've never been able to achieve a full, overnight cook at 225 (I now have a Smobot but haven't tried it with that yet). 250-275 work fine, and you might get to have brisket at lunch along with dinner the next day!
For many years I lit my lump with a single paraffin square in the middle of the pile. One night, true to form, my Maverick woke me up at 0400 telling me the IT was below 200. I stumbled out onto the back patio (during that surreal period between happy drunk and hangover), pulled the grate/briskie out, and saw that the lump had burned almost a perfect cylinder, straight down, about the diameter of a V-8 can! Would've been an unbelievable photo, but again I was surreal and just stirred the lump, it took off again, I replaced the briskie, swatted a few mosquitoes and went back to bed. The beef was fine, next day.
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You are getting the right advice from a lot of pros. My egg likes 260 for low and slow cooks. It will sit there for 36 hours on a full load of lump so I let it do what it likes.
Keepin' It Weird in The ATX FBTX -
That's great, Botch! I failed to mention that my true intention is to enjoy that surreal period between happy drunk and hangover in peaceful slumber without worrying about what's happening on my BGE!
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Lo n slo not needed. I do my butts at ±320°. Start at 9-10AM, finish by dinner time. No overnight cooks, tastes the same.
I hate it when I go to the kitchen for food and all I find are ingredients!
MichaelCentral Connecticut -
I agree with @Carolina Q , run your butts and ribs turbo. Look for a habanero death dust rib thread I did a bit ago, they were done in two hours. If i need to do an overnight i set it to 275ish and start around 10pm. Then i can sleep and know my temp is going to be close to that in the morning. 225 my fire snuffs out.
2 LBGE, Blackstone 36, Jumbo Joe
Egging in Southern Illinois (Marion)
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Welcome Aboard!! Always Low and Slow here and using a Flame Boss has made it way easier!! No drip pan, never foil, just low and slow here at 225 for the Boston Butts. With the Flame Boss I sleep like a baby without a care in the world or maybe that's the alcohol, who knows???
Have fun and the people on this forum have been there done that and have so much knowledge, use them! I always do!!
Retired Navy, LBGE
Pinehurst, NC -
I remember a time when lots of people were complaining about not being able to keep a fire going overnight at 225. Seemed like the consensus was 225 was too small a fire and not enough airflow. Most people's Eggs, at least mine, like to hang out around 250. Try running 250 next time and like everybody else has mentioned ditch the water pan. And go ahead and start your fire earlier. Maybe right after dinner. You won't burn that much charcoal and you'll be more confident that its stable after its been going a few hours before you go to bed.
Rowlett, Texas
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i used to do alot of cooks at 225 overnight, bought a maverick temp alarm. realized after a while that setting the low alarm at 170 and high alarm at 270 that the cook worked just fine if i made adjustments in the morning cooking higher if the overnight was too low or cooking lower if the overnight temps were to high. the maverick just sits in the drawer now and i dont worry about it.......get rid of the water in the pan, it adds to this problem
fukahwee maineyou can lead a fish to water but you can not make him drink it -
Agree with all the above, get rid of the water pan.
Disagree about being able to hold 225 at grate level. Remember that the dome temp is higher than the grate.
The reason I purchased a DigiQ with my XL was for low and slow cooks.
Since then I have moved to the FB 300 and I can hold overnight cooks at 225 consistently. The temp may vary a few degrees but 225 is possible provided you have a decent controller.
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And then a sole dissenting voice whispered, “get a bigger drip pan”. Fond of my drippin’s.
Maryland, 1 LBGE -
Drippins are great but a water-pan is not needed which I think is the general flavor of posts. 😎
Louisville; Rolling smoke in the neighbourhood. # 38 for the win. Life is too short for light/lite beer! Seems I'm livin in a transitional period. -
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Good advice all around here.
I'll just add that the reason many recipes call for 225 is because that's an easy temp for traditional offset smokers to maintain. Kamados, not so much. And going with whatever temp your BGE is comfortable at won't ruin anything. It takes a fair amount of practice to learn the best vent settings for different temperatures, but the Egg is really good at keeping a stable temperature if used as it's designed.
Or you can just hook up a FlameBoss fan controller and it will do a good job of maintaining any temperature you want.
Cincinnati, Ohio. Large BGE since 2011. Still learning. -
I never USED to have problems with water pans and 225...
then i read this thread and the egg has been going haywire.
Cleaning out the ash from the bottom and using a high-q fire grate helps me out there, I think. The water makes me think I’m getting better mike flavor and a deeper ring.
Thats just me...
Large BGE and Medium BGE
36" Blackstone - Greensboro! -
Should you go down the water pan route the key to success is to make sure you keep water in the pan so you don't get the runaway temp spike. And yes, the more moist the meat surface the better adherence for the smoke particles. Whatever works for you to deliver the goods you are aiming for is all that matters. FWIW-
Louisville; Rolling smoke in the neighbourhood. # 38 for the win. Life is too short for light/lite beer! Seems I'm livin in a transitional period. -
I'll echo what @The Cen-Tex Smoker says.....my large's sweet spot is at 260.
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Peachtree Corners, GA -
I've only had a problem holding temp of 225 or better when I used cheap charcoal. Here'e a couple of things that I haven't seen in the suggestions that you have gotten thus far.
- ensure you are using quality lump charcoal. Cheap stuff can have a tendancy to not burn well.
- make sure your egg is thoroughly cleaned before doing low and slows. Airflow!
- usually people are reading the dome thermo which can be 20 plus degrees higher than the temperature at the grid level.
Keep these things and the other suggestions in mind and they all should help. Good Luck.
XL owner in Wichita, KS -
My egg won't hold anything under 250 without fan assist. I will run until the charcoal is gone at 250 but the fire will go out at 225.
_________________________________________________Don't let the truth get in the way of a good story!Large BGE 2006, Mini Max 2014, 36" Blackstone, Anova Sous Vide
Green Man GroupJohns Creek, Georgia -
I don't cook at 225 for that very reason. I cook at 250 at least, usually 275.
War Damn Eagle! -
@hhicks As already stated, ditch the water pan, I use this just to keep the crap off the placesetter :
And everyone has there favorite temperature controller but I prefer Flame Boss, I would suggest contacting @stlcharcoal as he give discounts for members of our forums... Not only that he is a great guy... FWIW Also... you can set alarms with the Flame Boss, if the grate temp or meat temp gets too hot it will text you if that will wake you up to address the situation...
Chicago, IL BGE XL BGE Mini Webber Charcoal / Elmhurst, IL -
As others have said, ditch the water pan.
The other thing that can screw with low and slows is wind. Also, check for gasket leaks and cracks in the base. If you see smoke coming out anywhere on startup, that's a place that can suck air as you really limit the intake / draft door.....especially with a wind change.
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If you want temperature stability while you sleep at night, get a temp controller. Otherwise there’s is no guarantee. Period. Even with a water pan.
Upstate SC
Large BGE, Blackstone, Weber genesis , Weber charcoal classic
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