Welcome to the EGGhead Forum - a great place to visit and packed with tips and EGGspert advice! You can also join the conversation and get more information and amazing kamado recipes by following Big Green Egg to Experience our World of Flavor™ at:
Facebook  |  Twitter  |  Instagram  |  Pinterest  |  Youtube  |  Vimeo
Share your photos by tagging us and using the hashtag #BigGreenEgg.

Want to see how the EGG is made? Click to Watch

“introducing EGGspander”

2

Comments

  • Biggreenpharmacist
    Biggreenpharmacist Posts: 4,343
    https://www.diynetwork.com/shows/the-vanilla-ice-project

    Little Rock, AR

    · Share on FacebookShare on Twitter
  • SonVolt
    SonVolt Posts: 3,316
    Biggreenpharmacist said:
    https://www.diynetwork.com/shows/the-vanilla-ice-project

    That's awesome. I saw him perform live back in the early 2000s as a metal band. I went as a joke, but it turned out to be a fun show. 
    South of Nashville  -  BGE XL  -  Alfresco 42" ALXE  -  Alfresco Versa Burner  - Sunbeam Microwave 
    · Share on FacebookShare on Twitter
  • TEXASBGE2018
    TEXASBGE2018 Posts: 3,831
    SonVolt said:
    TEXASBGE2018 said:
    SonVolt said:
    Ozzie_Isaac said:
    Just because you can, does not mean you should.


    Why? I remember this same "uproar" when IE came out and killed NetScape. Does anyone really care now? Nope. 

    Ask Queen how they feel about Vanilla Ice. Dude made millions of dollars and all he did was add 1 note to a song. Claimed it as his own.


    Not the best metaphor, but sure why not - I'll roll with that (in my 5.0). The surviving members of Queen are essentially British royalty and living a very posh life in Europe somewhere.  Vanilla Ice was struggling to stay relevant on VH1's Surreal Life over a decade ago... by this point he's probably a waiting tables at Denny's. I'd say it all worked itself out.  

    The guy is a multi-millionaire real estate developer now. That doesn't happen if he didn't rip someone off. As has been stated while competition is good, blatantly ripping someone off is no bueno. If BGE truly intended to rip off CGS, they will unfortunately probably win that battle because they have the $$$ to. This is one of the dark sides of free-market capitalism. If you owned CGS I bet you would be pretty pissed right now.


    Rockwall, Tx    LBGE, Minimax, 22" Blackstone, Pizza Party Bollore. Cast Iron Hoarder.

    · Share on FacebookShare on Twitter
  • NPHuskerFL
    NPHuskerFL Posts: 17,629
    SonVolt said:
    I understand what you're getting at... but how can you say you aren't cool with  stealing another company's ideas and then turn around and say "Red is looking better each day"?  KJ is essentially and total rip-off of the BGE... 
    Was referencing some of their new things like gaskets, closures, springs, etc.  Respectively they're all a ripoff from ancient China with much evolution to what they are now. 
    However, you do have a point.  
    I'm not necessarily hating on BGE.  But, I do have an issue if it was lifted from a small business like CGS. BGE & KJ have always had somewhat of a feud.  I own two BGEs and really have no interest in getting another kamado cooker regardless of brand. I'd be more apt to get a WFO.
    LBGE 2013 & MM 2014
    Die Hard HUSKER & BRONCO FAN
    Flying Low & Slow in "Da Burg" FL
    · Share on FacebookShare on Twitter
  • SonVolt
    SonVolt Posts: 3,316
    edited June 2018
    Only the bass riff was lifted and was credited later. Other than that, Ice Ice Baby and Under Pressure are wildly different songs in every possible way. Think of the bright side -  Ice Ice Baby was the first hip hop song to top the UK charts. So Queen actually had a hand in spreading rap across the globe. 
    South of Nashville  -  BGE XL  -  Alfresco 42" ALXE  -  Alfresco Versa Burner  - Sunbeam Microwave 
    · Share on FacebookShare on Twitter
  • SonVolt
    SonVolt Posts: 3,316
    edited June 2018
    NPHuskerFL said:
    SonVolt said:
    I understand what you're getting at... but how can you say you aren't cool with  stealing another company's ideas and then turn around and say "Red is looking better each day"?  KJ is essentially and total rip-off of the BGE... 
    Was referencing some of their new things like gaskets, closures, springs, etc.  Respectively they're all a ripoff from ancient China with much evolution to what they are now. 
    However, you do have a point.  
    I'm not necessarily hating on BGE.  But, I do have an issue if it was lifted from a small business like CGS. BGE & KJ have always had somewhat of a feud.  I own two BGEs and really have no interest in getting another kamado cooker regardless of brand. I'd be more apt to get a WFO.

    Point taken. If I get another cooker I'm going back to an off-set. 
    South of Nashville  -  BGE XL  -  Alfresco 42" ALXE  -  Alfresco Versa Burner  - Sunbeam Microwave 
    · Share on FacebookShare on Twitter
  • TEXASBGE2018
    TEXASBGE2018 Posts: 3,831

     

    I still say they are trying to knock off KJ.  I know the Daisy was on another post but it seems to me they are more worried about KJ than CGS. I wouldn't be a bit surprised if they came out with a "Rutland style" Gasket soon claiming they "perfected it"


    Rockwall, Tx    LBGE, Minimax, 22" Blackstone, Pizza Party Bollore. Cast Iron Hoarder.

    · Share on FacebookShare on Twitter
  • HeavyG
    HeavyG Posts: 10,380
    SonVolt said:
    NPHuskerFL said:
    @SonVolt Nope, I'm don't hold a business degree. I'm a regular Joe blue collar HVAC/R technician guy.  But, imho most entrepreneurs (& I know many of them) would lean hard that it's not cool to borrow, steal, etc another company's idea or invention.  I'm all for honest market competition.  It's a healthy and fair thing for businesses to have.
    It is no different to take somebody's invention and claim it as your own as it is to take someone's photograph of food and claim it as your own. I have only had to deal with this two times thus far. I know of several other people that have had this occur to as well. I believe @Griffin & @Dyal_SC may have had their photos lifted as well. :wink:
    Stealing is stealing.


    I understand what you're getting at... but how can you say you aren't cool with  stealing another company's ideas and then turn around and say "Red is looking better each day"?  KJ is essentially a rip-off of the BGE... 
    KJ just copied the same design that BGE copied so does that make KJ a ripoff of a ripoff?
    “Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away.” ― Philip K. Diçk




    · Share on FacebookShare on Twitter
  • SonVolt
    SonVolt Posts: 3,316
    edited June 2018
    It's rip offs all the way down. Honest question, I know Kamados existed in Japan but I really don't know my Kamado history enough to know if BGE is an actual rip off or just a version of. Was there a Kamado on the market in the US that resembled the BGE before 1974? 
    South of Nashville  -  BGE XL  -  Alfresco 42" ALXE  -  Alfresco Versa Burner  - Sunbeam Microwave 
    · Share on FacebookShare on Twitter
  • Biggreenpharmacist
    Biggreenpharmacist Posts: 4,343
    SonVolt said:
    Which brand did the BGE rip off? Was there a Kamado on the market in the US that resembled the BGE before 1974? Honest question, I really don't know my Kamado history. 
    Well shame on you. How the hell did you get approved to post without knowing your kamado history?

    Little Rock, AR

    · Share on FacebookShare on Twitter
  • Possumtrot
    Possumtrot Posts: 245
    I remember when Honda and some other motorcycles didn't come with fairings.. people bought Vetter, Wixom and others, then all of a sudden, the Gold Wing appeared and a few years later, Honda added their own fairing.  Not many (any?) aftermarket fairings now.  Did Honda make a deal with Craig Vetter? I don't know - but that's business.  BTW, I bought Woo and adjustable rig from Tom for my new XL.  Happens a lot - takes money to fight it.
    Near Music City in the Boro
    LBGE, Joe,Jr
    Free is better than cheap
    If it's worth telling, it's worth exaggerating


    · Share on FacebookShare on Twitter
  • Eoin
    Eoin Posts: 4,304
    blasting said:

    Smokeware, CGS, Kick Ash, have all stepped in to fill a complete lack of R&D from BGE.  These companies have provided great service and a great products.  They have helped BGE become the niche brand it is today.

    The classy move would have been to make a deal with these companies and sell bundles.  We on the forum are a drop in the bucket though, so it doesn't matter that we know how shady this is.


    A lot of companies have a devoted following for products and encourage aftermarket brands to provide accessories so that users can customise their purchase. They even work with these suppliers pre new product launch so the stuff is available from day one. They appreciate that people want to put their stamp on the product and that this encourages brand loyalty and makes the fan base more devoted and more likely to recommend their product.

    The smart move would have been to partner with approved accessory manufacturers and to encourage their innovation under the semi official banner. The fan boys get to modify their product with cool new stuff and promote the brand and the brand gets to learn from said accessory manufacturers and improve their product.
    · Share on FacebookShare on Twitter
  • Truckermatt
    Truckermatt Posts: 1
    Eggcited to get my eggsEggspa today!  I made it a hybrid by getting 2 of the 2 piece eggspander s.  One down, conveggtor basket then one up!  Four levels of cooking!!!!  This means I can do four spatchcocked turkeys at a time on a large!
    · Share on FacebookShare on Twitter
  • Kcheves
    Kcheves Posts: 92

    Went to a local dealer today to see if these were in stock.  Not cause I want one, just curious.  No joy.  Its also not clear from BGE's site if they have setups for different sizes. 

    For the record, I have a Woo and AR combo for my new-ish XL, which I like a lot.

    The one feature I kind of like in the BGE knockoff is the ability to use the lower piece to remove the platesetter.

    "Semper ubi sub ubi"

    San Diego, CA

    · Share on FacebookShare on Twitter
  • The Cen-Tex Smoker
    The Cen-Tex Smoker Posts: 23,179
    Ozzie_Isaac said:
    Maybe BGE didn't know about Tom, and some intern submitted it as her idea?

    Btw, plan to keep buying from Tom.
    They knew...
    Keepin' It Weird in The ATX FBTX
    · Share on FacebookShare on Twitter
  • The Cen-Tex Smoker
    The Cen-Tex Smoker Posts: 23,179
    edited June 2018

    SonVolt said:
    NPHuskerFL said:
    Patronage is earned. Stealing intellectual property and stamping your logo & calling it a  different name is still dirty.  Red is looking better each day especially when it comes to innovation.  They also apparently listen to their customer base and apply that in R&D.



    That's not how capitalism works. Does "Tom" have a patent on his products? If so he's got nothing to worry about. 
    His name is really Tom so no need to put it in quotes (edited). Very Odd. He does have patents and he does have something to worry about. Ask the guys that started the original bge forum...
    Keepin' It Weird in The ATX FBTX
    · Share on FacebookShare on Twitter
  • DMW
    DMW Posts: 13,836
    edited June 2018
    The Cen-Tex Smoker said:

    SonVolt said:
    NPHuskerFL said:
    Patronage is earned. Stealing intellectual property and stamping your logo & calling it a  different name is still dirty.  Red is looking better each day especially when it comes to innovation.  They also apparently listen to their customer base and apply that in R&D.



    That's not how capitalism works. Does "Tom" have a patent on his products? If so he's got nothing to worry about. 
    His name is really Tom so no need to put it in parentheses. Very Odd. He does have patents and he does have something to worry about. Ask the guys that started the original bge forum...
    Edited.
    They/Them
    Morgantown, PA

    XL BGE - S BGE - KJ Jr - HB Legacy - BS Pizza Oven - 30" Firepit - King Kooker Fryer -  PR72T - WSJ - BS 17" Griddle - XXL BGE  - BS SS36" Griddle - 2 Burner Gasser - Pellet Smoker
    · Share on FacebookShare on Twitter
  • The Cen-Tex Smoker
    The Cen-Tex Smoker Posts: 23,179
    DMW said:
    The Cen-Tex Smoker said:

    SonVolt said:
    NPHuskerFL said:
    Patronage is earned. Stealing intellectual property and stamping your logo & calling it a  different name is still dirty.  Red is looking better each day especially when it comes to innovation.  They also apparently listen to their customer base and apply that in R&D.



    That's not how capitalism works. Does "Tom" have a patent on his products? If so he's got nothing to worry about. 
    His name is really Tom so no need to put it in parentheses. Very Odd. He does have patents and he does have something to worry about. Ask the guys that started the original bge forum...
    Or quotes.
    Ha. Fixed it. Thanks. 
    Keepin' It Weird in The ATX FBTX
    · Share on FacebookShare on Twitter
  • milesvdustin
    milesvdustin Posts: 2,882
    Ok, which one of you guys is @Truckermatt?

    2 LBGE, Blackstone 36, Jumbo Joe

    Egging in Southern Illinois (Marion)

    · Share on FacebookShare on Twitter
  • bgebrent
    bgebrent Posts: 19,636
    I think it stinks.  Will buy from Tom if the need “want” arises.  A higher road could’ve been taken.
    Sandy Springs & Dawsonville Ga
    · Share on FacebookShare on Twitter
  • Dobie
    Dobie Posts: 3,458
    The little guy sold me what I needed and if I need again I will do the same if he’s still around....

    Vote with your wallet. 
    Jacksonville FL
    · Share on FacebookShare on Twitter
  • RRP
    RRP Posts: 26,457
    The Cen-Tex Smoker said:

    SonVolt said:
    NPHuskerFL said:
    Patronage is earned. Stealing intellectual property and stamping your logo & calling it a  different name is still dirty.  Red is looking better each day especially when it comes to innovation.  They also apparently listen to their customer base and apply that in R&D.



    That's not how capitalism works. Does "Tom" have a patent on his products? If so he's got nothing to worry about. 
    His name is really Tom so no need to put it in quotes (edited). Very Odd. He does have patents and he does have something to worry about. Ask the guys that started the original bge forum...
    That "guys" was the late Mr Miller who started the BGE forum with NO financial support from BGE. Miller was already deceased before Ed Fisher turned over the reins of the original BGE forum to the "new guy". The archives, users and even their passwords were turned over in good faith...
    Re-gasketing the USA one yard at a time 
    · Share on FacebookShare on Twitter
  • Hans61
    Hans61 Posts: 3,901
    edited June 2018
    BGE probably made a conscious decision based on the assumption that they’d make much more money making their own then they’d have to spend in a potential lawsuit with ceramic grill store 
    “There are three rules that I live by: never get less than twelve hours sleep; never play cards with a guy who has the same first name as a city; and never get involved with a woman with a tattoo of a dagger on her body.”
    Coach Finstock Teen Wolf
    · Share on FacebookShare on Twitter
  • alaskanassasin
    alaskanassasin Posts: 8,932
    Hans61 said:
    BGE probably made a conscious decision based on the assumption that they’d make much more money making their own then they’d have to spend in a potential lawsuit with ceramic grill store 

    BGE probably made a conscious decision based on the assumption that they’d make much more money (outsourcing to china) then they’d have to spend in a potential lawsuit with ceramic grill store 

    South of Columbus, Ohio.


    · Share on FacebookShare on Twitter
  • Hans61
    Hans61 Posts: 3,901
    alaskanassasin said:
    Hans61 said:
    BGE probably made a conscious decision based on the assumption that they’d make much more money making their own then they’d have to spend in a potential lawsuit with ceramic grill store 

    BGE probably made a conscious decision based on the assumption that they’d make much more money (outsourcing to china) then they’d have to spend in a potential lawsuit with ceramic grill store 

    Thanks for adding the correction :-) 
    “There are three rules that I live by: never get less than twelve hours sleep; never play cards with a guy who has the same first name as a city; and never get involved with a woman with a tattoo of a dagger on her body.”
    Coach Finstock Teen Wolf
    · Share on FacebookShare on Twitter
  • RRP
    RRP Posts: 26,457
    RRP said:
    The Cen-Tex Smoker said:

    SonVolt said:
    NPHuskerFL said:
    Patronage is earned. Stealing intellectual property and stamping your logo & calling it a  different name is still dirty.  Red is looking better each day especially when it comes to innovation.  They also apparently listen to their customer base and apply that in R&D.



    That's not how capitalism works. Does "Tom" have a patent on his products? If so he's got nothing to worry about. 
    His name is really Tom so no need to put it in quotes (edited). Very Odd. He does have patents and he does have something to worry about. Ask the guys that started the original bge forum...
    That "guys" was the late Mr Miller who started the BGE forum with NO financial support from BGE. Miller was already deceased before Ed Fisher turned over the reins of the original BGE forum to the "new guy". The archives, users and even their passwords were turned over in good faith...
    Can't believe I sent that before proofreading! 

    The Miller family turned over the archives, users monikers and pass words - NOT Ed Fisher! 
    Re-gasketing the USA one yard at a time 
    · Share on FacebookShare on Twitter
  • Cornholio
    Cornholio Posts: 1,048
    Thanks to this forum I have some things in my cart ready to order from CGS when I get back from vacation.  Had I not become active on here recently I probably would have bought the knock offs. 
    · Share on FacebookShare on Twitter

Categories