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Embrace Failure (Makin' Bacon)

Whilst attempting my first go at making bacon I f'ed up the dry cure by using twice as much Pink Salt #1 than I should have. It's now been trashed. Attempt #2 will be attempted this weekend, perhaps using the brine method.

Anyways, we all suck sometimes. All of us...That's what makes us better in the end
~ John - Formerly known as ColtsFan  - https://www.instagram.com/hoosier_egger
XL BGE, LG BGE, Med BGE, BGE Chiminea, Ardore Pizza Oven
Bloomington, IN - Hoo Hoo Hoo Hoosiers!

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  • billt01
    billt01 Posts: 1,899
    ColtsFan said:
    Whilst attempting my first go at making bacon I f'ed up the dry cure by using twice as much Pink Salt #1 than I should have. It's now been trashed. Attempt #2 will be attempted this weekend, perhaps using the brine method.

    Anyways, we all suck sometimes. All of us...That's what makes us better in the end
    just sad to see all that pork belly go to waste....
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  • lkapigian
    lkapigian Posts: 11,549
    I did my first a couple weeks ago, liked it so much I have another 10 LB Belly in the fridge---When did you realize the error? 
    Visalia, Ca @lkapigian
  • lkapigian said:
    I did my first a couple weeks ago, liked it so much I have another 10 LB Belly in the fridge---When did you realize the error? 
    This morning, which would have been day 3 with the cure. 
    ~ John - Formerly known as ColtsFan  - https://www.instagram.com/hoosier_egger
    XL BGE, LG BGE, Med BGE, BGE Chiminea, Ardore Pizza Oven
    Bloomington, IN - Hoo Hoo Hoo Hoosiers!

  • CtTOPGUN
    CtTOPGUN Posts: 612
     Trashed? That is a shame. You could have saved the rub by turning it into a wet brine to the safe percentages. But good thing you realized the error. Curing salts in quantity are quite bad.
    LBGE/Weber Kettle/Blackstone 36" Griddle/Turkey Fryer/Induction Burner/Royal Gourmet 24" Griddle/Cuisinart Twin Oaks/Pit Boss Tabletop pellet smoker/Instant Pot

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       Jim
  • Failure is the best teacher.

    Thanks for sharing. May you learn from your mistakes and emerge victorious in your next attempt. 
  • CtTOPGUN said:
     Trashed? That is a shame. You could have saved the rub by turning it into a wet brine to the safe percentages. But good thing you realized the error. Curing salts in quantity are quite bad.
    Yeah, I thought about that, but decided to go ahead an sacrifice a 3lb belly
    ~ John - Formerly known as ColtsFan  - https://www.instagram.com/hoosier_egger
    XL BGE, LG BGE, Med BGE, BGE Chiminea, Ardore Pizza Oven
    Bloomington, IN - Hoo Hoo Hoo Hoosiers!

  • lkapigian
    lkapigian Posts: 11,549
    ColtsFan said:
    CtTOPGUN said:
     Trashed? That is a shame. You could have saved the rub by turning it into a wet brine to the safe percentages. But good thing you realized the error. Curing salts in quantity are quite bad.
    Yeah, I thought about that, but decided to go ahead an sacrifice a 3lb belly
    3 lbs, I know I probably shouldn't but I just would have eyeballed a little more than 1/2 a teaspoon ..I know it's wrong and be careful with cure....I did 10# of belly Monday, I did cure for 10 pounds...I cut 10# belly in "half" but did not way...I put both "1/2" bellies in a container a rubbed the entire 10# mix on the 2 "halves" don't know if it was exact as it is supposed to be but I'm sure it will be OK ( ducking as I post this ) ...
    Visalia, Ca @lkapigian
  • @lkapigian yeah, probably aborted the mission prematurely. Got skeered 
    ~ John - Formerly known as ColtsFan  - https://www.instagram.com/hoosier_egger
    XL BGE, LG BGE, Med BGE, BGE Chiminea, Ardore Pizza Oven
    Bloomington, IN - Hoo Hoo Hoo Hoosiers!

  • lkapigian
    lkapigian Posts: 11,549
    ColtsFan said:
    @lkapigian yeah, probably aborted the mission prematurely. Got skeered 
    I will say, no matter it is far superior than store bought....
    Visalia, Ca @lkapigian
  • I used equal parts coarse sea salt and sugar in the raw to avoid the nitrates.
    LBGE, and just enough knowledge and gadgets to be dangerous .
    Buford,Ga.
  • lkapigian
    lkapigian Posts: 11,549
    I used equal parts coarse sea salt and sugar in the raw to avoid the nitrates.
    You still Cold Smoke?
    Visalia, Ca @lkapigian
  • onedbguru
    onedbguru Posts: 1,648
    Got a 10# belly in the works now - should be ready to smoke tomorrow as this is week 3 of the cure.  salt, br.sugar,pepper.
  • nolaegghead
    nolaegghead Posts: 42,109
    With 2x it was still perfectly safe.  And you could have soaked after a cure and removed most of it.

    Here's a little on the history of nitrites in the US: (pay attention to what I put in BOLD)

    Key points

    • Saltpeter (potassium nitrate), a natural contaminant of salt, contributed historically to the pinkish-red color in salted meats

    • Nitric oxide, derived from nitrate/nitrite reduction, when combined with myoglobin produces as the color pigment in cured meat products

    • Nitrite prevents sporulation of Clostridium boutlinum in cured meats

    • In 1925, the United States Department of Agriculture (USDA) approved nitrite’s use in curing brines and formulas at a maximum ingoing level of 200 ppm

    • Residual nitrite declined in cured meats from 1930s to 1970s and has remained low since the 1980s mitigating the formation of N-nitrosamines

    • USDA regulations restrict ingoing levels of nitrite and nitrate (if allowed) to specific levels in meat product categories

    • Residual nitrite levels in conventional and “organic” cured meats is <10 ppm in the United States

    • Naturally occurring nitrate in raw vegetables at retail in the United States ranges from 200 to 3,000 ppm

    • Nitrates in the municipal water supply of 25 metropolitan U.S. cities is <5 mg/L

    • Nitrite contributes to the safety of cured meats and currently no suitable alternative is available


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  • nolaegghead
    nolaegghead Posts: 42,109
    The worst part about nitrites is when they are "bejeesus-cooked" they can form N-nitrosamines, which are carcinogenic.  Not a big deal unless you cook the crap out of your cured meat (bacon is usually cooked that way).

    I read microwaving bacon (vs pan fried or baked) creates much more nitrosamines, so obviously it really just gets bad when you really cook it crispy.

    However, chemistry to the rescue.  If you add an antioxidant to your cure, like citric or ascorbic acid, it mitigates the nitrosamine conversion.  For this reason, and because I like crispy not floppy bacon, I add it to my cure.  Just don't mix it up concentrated, it will start reacting with the nitrites and you'll smell it. 

    Stuff like corned beef it's not a problem at all as it's boiled or smoked at low temps.  Nitrites are not bad for you.  The nitrosamine is.

    Hope that helps next time.

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    I love lamp..
  • Awesome Info, @nolaegghead. Thank you! 
    ~ John - Formerly known as ColtsFan  - https://www.instagram.com/hoosier_egger
    XL BGE, LG BGE, Med BGE, BGE Chiminea, Ardore Pizza Oven
    Bloomington, IN - Hoo Hoo Hoo Hoosiers!

  • GATraveller
    GATraveller Posts: 8,207
    With 2x it was still perfectly safe.  And you could have soaked after a cure and removed most of it.

    Here's a little on the history of nitrites in the US: (pay attention to what I put in BOLD)

    Key points

    • Saltpeter (potassium nitrate), a natural contaminant of salt, contributed historically to the pinkish-red color in salted meats

    • Nitric oxide, derived from nitrate/nitrite reduction, when combined with myoglobin produces as the color pigment in cured meat products

    • Nitrite prevents sporulation of Clostridium boutlinum in cured meats

    • In 1925, the United States Department of Agriculture (USDA) approved nitrite’s use in curing brines and formulas at a maximum ingoing level of 200 ppm

    • Residual nitrite declined in cured meats from 1930s to 1970s and has remained low since the 1980s mitigating the formation of N-nitrosamines

    • USDA regulations restrict ingoing levels of nitrite and nitrate (if allowed) to specific levels in meat product categories

    • Residual nitrite levels in conventional and “organic” cured meats is <10 ppm in the United States

    • Naturally occurring nitrate in raw vegetables at retail in the United States ranges from 200 to 3,000 ppm

    • Nitrates in the municipal water supply of 25 metropolitan U.S. cities is <5 mg/L

    • Nitrite contributes to the safety of cured meats and currently no suitable alternative is available


    The worst part about nitrites is when they are "bejeesus-cooked" they can form N-nitrosamines, which are carcinogenic.  Not a big deal unless you cook the crap out of your cured meat (bacon is usually cooked that way).

    I read microwaving bacon (vs pan fried or baked) creates much more nitrosamines, so obviously it really just gets bad when you really cook it crispy.

    However, chemistry to the rescue.  If you add an antioxidant to your cure, like citric or ascorbic acid, it mitigates the nitrosamine conversion.  For this reason, and because I like crispy not floppy bacon, I add it to my cure.  Just don't mix it up concentrated, it will start reacting with the nitrites and you'll smell it. 

    Stuff like corned beef it's not a problem at all as it's boiled or smoked at low temps.  Nitrites are not bad for you.  The nitrosamine is.

    Hope that helps next time.

    That's some interesting and very informative sh!t you just dropped on us @nolaegghead
    Much appreciated!!!

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