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Daisy Wheel Question

vcool
vcool Posts: 26
edited October 2017 in EggHead Forum
BGE calls it the "Dual Function Metal Top."  What are the two functions?  Temperature control and....?

I use a Smokeware Cap, but a friend and I were discussing some Egg things last night as he considers purchasing one.  I mentioned that it comes with the Daisy Wheel instead of the cap, AKA the DFMT and he asked.  I was stumped.  Is BGE pulling a fast one on us, making us think the daisy wheel is twice as useful as it actually is? 

*the last line is a joke, but seriously I've never thought about the official name for it up until now.

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  • buzd504
    buzd504 Posts: 3,877
    It's either because it has two ways to open it (the petals or wide open) or that you can both control temp and snuff the fire with it.

    I have a smokeware too.
    NOLA
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  • hoosier_egger
    hoosier_egger Posts: 6,808
    The "dual function" come from its ability to drastically set temps with the large adjustable cover or precision tune with the petals.

    I think anyways...may be wrong
    ~ John - Formerly known as ColtsFan  - https://www.instagram.com/hoosier_egger
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  • stlcharcoal
    stlcharcoal Posts: 4,759
    edited October 2017
    It's more dual "actuation" or "movement" maybe??  The early ones only had a daisy wheel on them for low and slow.  Then they came out with a second top that had the slider on it which gave you better control for 350-400+.  So they combined the two, and voila, "dual function metal top".  I can't remember if that was originally their terminology, or something that originated on the old eggheadforum. 

    Based off the pics we've seen here and the graphic in the new assembly instructions, looks like it may be going back to the single function slider though.
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  • lousubcap
    lousubcap Posts: 36,812
    Here's straight from the BGE web site:
    "Dual Function Metal Top

    Replacement Dual Function Metal Top for all EGG sizes.

    The multi-variable daisy wheel design allows for precise temperature control – rotate the larger opening for higher or lower temperatures, and simply adjust the smaller openings to fine-tune the cooking temperature as desired. For best results, open fully when lighting the EGG.

    Cast iron. Do not scrub.
    Store inside EGG when not in use, cover dome opening with ceramic cap."

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  • vcool
    vcool Posts: 26
    SoCalTim said:
    vcool said:
    BGE calls it the "Dual Function Metal Top."  What are the two functions?  Temperature control and....?

    I use a Smokeware Cap, but a friend and I were discussing some Egg things last night as he considers purchasing one.  I mentioned that it comes with the Daisy Wheel instead of the cap, AKA the DFMT and he asked.  I was stumped.  Is BGE pulling a fast one on us, making us think the daisy wheel is twice as useful as it actually is? 

    *the last line is a joke, but seriously I've never thought about the official name for it up until now.

    hey brother vcool, the daisy wheel IS actually very functional, myself .. I never jumped on the Smokeware bandwagon, the DW works just fine - for me at least .. the meat i smoke on my egg has no idea I'm using an inferior product, lol
    Don't get me wrong, I used one for a few years before I got the shiny cap as a gift.  I know the daisy wheel is super functional, and I wouldn't say inferior, just different. 

    My question was what the second function was besides temperature control.  I take it from the replies above that the two functions seem to be the ability to dial the petals, as well as rotate the larger opening. 
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  • jtcBoynton
    jtcBoynton Posts: 2,814
    I think they needed a new name when they modified the design. The older style is what I call the SFMT since it had a single temp control.  The newer style has dual controls.  Maybe they were thinking of low temp and high temp controls as separate functions, thus dual function.


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  • blasting
    blasting Posts: 6,262
    edited October 2017
    vcool said:

    I wouldn't say inferior
     

    I'll say it - it's inferior.  If for no other reason than it's rain protection and it won't rust.

    I also prefer the way the Smokeware Cap looks, and how it functions.

    A thought for new eggs - when you buy an egg, sell the new snuffer cap and daisy wheel before you use it on ebay.  You'll get about double the cost of a Smokeware cap.
    Phoenix 
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  • stlcharcoal
    stlcharcoal Posts: 4,759
    blasting said:
    vcool said:

    I wouldn't say inferior
     

    I'll say it - it's inferior.  If for no other reason than it's rain protection and it won't rust.

    I also prefer the way the Smokeware Cap looks, and how it functions.
    For me, it's that I can leave it open to vent the BGE's I don't use very much.  Otherwise, the DFMT lets rain in.  Cuts down on the mold.
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  • GregW
    GregW Posts: 2,678
    I love the daisy wheel, it does exactly what it's supposed to do. I provides really good temp control. I know it's just my opinion, but I wouldn't trade the daisy wheel for a free Smokeware cap, but then again my egg sits in a covered area and I don't need any water resistance.
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  • nolaegghead
    nolaegghead Posts: 42,109
    I love my daisy wheels so.  So much I can't bear to let them sit on the hot smokey egg and oxidize and get creosote and pig fat all over their sexy metal sides. 

    I just wish the hole was bigger.
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  • GregW
    GregW Posts: 2,678
    nolaegghead said:  
    I just wish the hole was bigger.
    That's what she said too.
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  • Botch
    Botch Posts: 17,380
    I clocked my neighbor's yappy Schitt Terrier with it, shut her up for almost 6 minutes.
    I need a bigger one.  

    "Dumplings are just noodles that have already eaten"   - Jon Kung

    Ogden, UT, USA


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  • Biggreenpharmacist
    Biggreenpharmacist Posts: 4,343
    In my mind its pretty simple. If you cook under a roof, daisy wheel is fine. Out in the open, get the smokeware. The “dual” part is because it slides open AND rotates to adjust the petals. 

    Little Rock, AR

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  • Legume
    Legume Posts: 15,936
    Anyone ever wish they hadn't opened a thread? Me neither, just checking.
    THANK YOU FOR YOUR ATTENTION TO THIS MATTER
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  • WeberWho
    WeberWho Posts: 11,532
    The daisy wheel is meant to be used above 300 degrees? ;) Nah
    "The pig is an amazing animal. You feed a pig an apple and it makes bacon. Let's see Michael Phelps do that" - Jim Gaffigan

    Minnesota
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  • vcool
    vcool Posts: 26
    Legume said:
    Anyone ever wish they hadn't opened a thread? Me neither, just checking.
    I was just thinking along these same lines...
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  • UNCHeels08
    UNCHeels08 Posts: 116
    I had a bunch of rain during a long pork butt cook recently, which made me think about the Smokeware cap. 

    It seems like it would work great for cooks under 350-400. But from the pictures, the opening looks pretty small to me when fully opened, compared to the daisy wheel when all the way open. Does this cause issues for high temp cooks or the searing part of a reverse sear?

    For really high cooks it’s easy to remove the daisy even if it’s realy hot, is the Smokeware cap also easy to remove mid-cook? 

    I’ve never seen one in person so it’s hard to judge how much max airflow it allows. 
    Raleigh, NC

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  • hoosier_egger
    hoosier_egger Posts: 6,808
    I have no issue with the daisy wheel other than losing my settings when I open the dome. That's another advantage to the smokeware. I use both but most of the time the top is off unless I'm doing <350*
    ~ John - Formerly known as ColtsFan  - https://www.instagram.com/hoosier_egger
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  • WeberWho
    WeberWho Posts: 11,532
    ColtsFan said:
    I have no issue with the daisy wheel other than losing my settings when I open the dome. That's another advantage to the smokeware. I use both but most of the time the top is off unless I'm doing <350*
    Keep the screw on the daisy wheel facing towards the front of the egg. That should help you from losing your vent settings when you open up the dome
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  • lousubcap
    lousubcap Posts: 36,812
    Here's a link that has pics to help with the alignment mentioned by @WeberWho.  http://www.nakedwhiz.com/ceramicfaq.htm#dwsetting  
    BTW- the main website contains a wealth of ceramic cooking material.  
    Louisville; Rolling smoke in the neighbourhood.  Life is too short for light/lite beer!  Seems I'm livin in a transitional period. CHEETO (aka Agent Orange) makes Nixon look like a saint.  
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  • Joel6011
    Joel6011 Posts: 1
    GregW said:
    nolaegghead said:  
    I just wish the hole was bigger.
    That's what she said too. That's definitely not what HE said!

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  • gmac
    gmac Posts: 1,814
    I was cooking in the rain once with the daisy wheel. I put a little piece of tin foil over it, tucked it in under the lip on each side and let it stick up a bit above the openings. 

    Now I'm so embarrassed that I went with the 10 cent solution instead of buying something else for the egg. 
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  • SamIAm2
    SamIAm2 Posts: 2,006
    UNCHeels08 said:
    I had a bunch of rain during a long pork butt cook recently, which made me think about the Smokeware cap. 

    It seems like it would work great for cooks under 350-400. But from the pictures, the opening looks pretty small to me when fully opened, compared to the daisy wheel when all the way open. Does this cause issues for high temp cooks or the searing part of a reverse sear?

    For really high cooks it’s easy to remove the daisy even if it’s realy hot, is the Smokeware cap also easy to remove mid-cook? 

    I’ve never seen one in person so it’s hard to judge how much max airflow it allows. 
    Realize there are three openings of that size on the Smokeware cap, not just the one "opening" you mentioned. The cap is easy to remove mid-cook but you will need to protect your hands, it gets quite hot to the touch. 
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  • bgebrent
    bgebrent Posts: 19,636
    Smokeware cap is preferable for me.  My eggs exist in the wild.
    Sandy Springs & Dawsonville Ga
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  • DoubleEgger
    DoubleEgger Posts: 19,182
    edited October 2017
    bgebrent said:
    Smokeware cap is preferable for me.  My eggs exist in the wild.
    Oh yeah. It's the Wild West in your cove.  ;)
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  • bgebrent
    bgebrent Posts: 19,636
    Tornados and all, feeling lucky. :|
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  • vcool
    vcool Posts: 26
    Although I have the cap (and regrettably started this now derailed discussion), I never really saw rain as a big concern when egging.  The openings in the DFMT are small enough not much rain would get in, or if they are bigger then the heat of the exhaust should deal with the rain.  Although I'm sure there could be enough rain that it would get in the egg, I suspect I would tap out before the egg would.
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  • nolaegghead
    nolaegghead Posts: 42,109
    Dual function: 

    1. regulate air flow with dual valves

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