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  • Focker
    Focker Posts: 8,364
    edited September 2017
    DoubleEgger said:
    Surprise Surprise we disagree once again. I fully support the rights of the players to stand, kneel, or do whatever they like during the anthem. Speaking out about the causes that are important to you is American as it gets. From British injustices in our colonial days to racial injustices in our society that continue today, we speak up when we want change.  The people of the status quo will always say that this isn't the time or place to protest. When and where is the proper place to protest? Protests cause angst among the status quo by design. 

    After reading your comments calling anthem protesters cowards @Focker, I understand what you meant a few weeks back about implied racism. Let that sink in. 
    You're getting desperate....again.  I do think the rest of the Steelers threw one under their short bus.
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  • henapple
    henapple Posts: 16,025
    Focker said.... Who give a sh"t? 
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  • pgprescott
    pgprescott Posts: 14,544
    edited September 2017
    DoubleEgger said:
    Surprise Surprise we disagree once again. I fully support the rights of the players to stand, kneel, or do whatever they like during the anthem. Speaking out about the causes that are important to you is American as it gets. From British injustices in our colonial days to racial injustices in our society that continue today, we speak up when we want change.  The people of the status quo will always say that this isn't the time or place to protest. When and where is the proper place to protest? Protests cause angst among the status quo by design. 

    After reading your comments calling anthem protesters cowards @Focker, I understand what you meant a few weeks back about implied racism. Let that sink in. 
    This is a stupid argument at best. You can do as you please of course, but you also should be prepared for the consequences. Hell, you cannot  celebrate a TD as you like. You cannot wear things on your uniform if you like. You cannot engage in behavior of any kind which th league might deem unfavorable to the league. What we have is a large portion of the country that doesn’t believe in personal responsibility and doesn’t believe there should be consequences, because they are correct and have noble intentions. The act itself is intended to Be divisive. How can the league now enforce rules on any form of expression? The union attorney will have a field day. Pandora’s box is now open. Hard to selectively enforce rules unless and only unless the individual volunteers to accept the punishment by the league. Yeah, RIght! 

    Total canard. 


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  • Eggdicted_Dawgfan
    Eggdicted_Dawgfan Posts: 1,912
    Protest on your own time. Not on the job. You are paid to play football, not speak your mind about your country views. 
    Snellville, GA


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  • pgprescott
    pgprescott Posts: 14,544
    Eggdicted_Dawgfan said:
    Protest on your own time. Not on the job. You are paid to play football, not speak your mind about your country views. 
    What if some nut jobs want to protest vulgar or unpopular views at the games? Uh, I don’t think so! It is not brave to do these things when it is obvious there will be no reprisals. Quite the contrary. 
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  • Legume
    Legume Posts: 15,936
    Whiskey Pete, are you agreeing with him or arguing?
    THANK YOU FOR YOUR ATTENTION TO THIS MATTER
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  • pgprescott
    pgprescott Posts: 14,544
    Legume said:
    Whiskey Pete, are you agreeing with him or arguing?
    Agreeing of course. Can you read?
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  • Legume
    Legume Posts: 15,936
    Ah, the personal insult.  Thank you.  For being.  You.
    THANK YOU FOR YOUR ATTENTION TO THIS MATTER
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  • pgprescott
    pgprescott Posts: 14,544
    Legume said:
    Ah, the personal insult.  Thank you.  For being.  You.
    You intended insult, I merely asked a question that seems reasonable given your question. 
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  • Eggdicted_Dawgfan
    Eggdicted_Dawgfan Posts: 1,912
    What percentage of these guys kneeling or hiding in the locker room would you say are doing anything to make things better after the anthem ends? Just curious if their passion goes beyond the anthem. 
    Snellville, GA


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  • DMW
    DMW Posts: 13,836
    The correct spelling of divisive is d i v i s i v e, not devisive, FWIW.
    They/Them
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  • pgprescott
    pgprescott Posts: 14,544
    Eggdicted_Dawgfan said:
    What percentage of these guys kneeling or hiding in the locker room would you say are doing anything to make things better after the anthem ends? Just curious if their passion goes beyond the anthem. 
    I won’t go that far. I am quite confident many of them do plenty. I just don’t see how this is ok with the league. It’s a clear double standard. I personally find it not helpful.
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  • pgprescott
    pgprescott Posts: 14,544
    DMW said:
    The correct spelling of divisive is d i v i s i v e, not devisive, FWIW.
    Got me! Oh dear!
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  • Legume
    Legume Posts: 15,936
    I wanted to call you Lewinsky but thought that would be insulting.  Missed opportunity I guess.
    THANK YOU FOR YOUR ATTENTION TO THIS MATTER
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  • HeavyG
    HeavyG Posts: 10,380
    Eggdicted_Dawgfan said:
    I didn't see a 15 minute video? I saw about 4-5min . So he is the only one who said bullshît I'm going to be out there when the NA starts regardless of what the "team" decides for me? Why would they mandate it be an all or nothing situation. If you want to keep your sorry aśs in the locker room ok but don't make everyone do it. I'm glad he came out with this. Too bad more people don't have that kind of love for this country. 
    The NFL didn't even routinely have its players on the field for the playing of the national anthem until about 2009. Before that they almost always stayed in the locker room.

    It was in 2009 or so that the DOD and National Guard started paying the NFL (and the MLB I believe) many millions of dollars to include patriotic displays in their events. That is when they started putting the players on the field during the anthem ceremony. 

    Kinda funny that now we hear such strong faux patriotism from NASCAR team owners about firing drivers that don't stand for the anthem cuz until just a couple decades their drivers used to be/remain seated in their cars during the anthem.
    “Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away.” ― Philip K. Diçk




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  • pgprescott
    pgprescott Posts: 14,544
    HeavyG said:
    Eggdicted_Dawgfan said:
    I didn't see a 15 minute video? I saw about 4-5min . So he is the only one who said bullshît I'm going to be out there when the NA starts regardless of what the "team" decides for me? Why would they mandate it be an all or nothing situation. If you want to keep your sorry aśs in the locker room ok but don't make everyone do it. I'm glad he came out with this. Too bad more people don't have that kind of love for this country. 
    The NFL didn't even routinely have its players on the field for the playing of the national anthem until about 2009. Before that they almost always stayed in the locker room.

    It was in 2009 or so that the DOD and National Guard started paying the NFL (and the MLB I believe) many millions of dollars to include patriotic displays in their events. That is when they started putting the players on the field during the anthem ceremony. 

    Kinda funny that now we hear such strong faux patriotism from NASCAR team owners about firing drivers that don't stand for the anthem cuz until just a couple decades their drivers used to be/remain seated in their cars during the anthem.
    Another canard. The intent is to divide by causing intentional insult. Again, you are talking about a league where if you do anything they perceive as detrimental to the leagues money machine you are punished. Often times these are incidents in the off season and are totally unrelated to football. It’s a simple issue really. It only becomes complicated when you attempt to remove the normal consequences from the acts. Then you must try to justify and convolute the issue. 
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  • thetrim
    thetrim Posts: 11,387
    Nice cut and paste there genius.  If the NFL prevents someone from twerking in the end zone, why isn't that protected free speech like blatantly disrespecting our Nation.  F the NFL. 
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  • DMW
    DMW Posts: 13,836
    thetrim said:
    Nice cut and paste there genius.  If the NFL prevents someone from twerking in the end zone, why isn't that protected free speech like blatantly disrespecting our Nation.  F the NFL. 
    Oh, the NFL could fire everyone now if they wanted, that would be their call. I don't think anyone is arguing that a private league should not be able do that.
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  • U_tarded
    U_tarded Posts: 2,083
    thetrim said:
    Nice cut and paste there genius.  If the NFL prevents someone from twerking in the end zone, why isn't that protected free speech like blatantly disrespecting our Nation.  F the NFL. 
    From my understanding the NFL has rules against touchdown celebration.  They have nothing outlined for the national anthem and how to behave durning such.  It is a very structured league as far as rules go they haven't covered this area.  
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  • pgprescott
    pgprescott Posts: 14,544
    DMW said:
    thetrim said:
    Nice cut and paste there genius.  If the NFL prevents someone from twerking in the end zone, why isn't that protected free speech like blatantly disrespecting our Nation.  F the NFL. 
    Oh, the NFL could fire everyone now if they wanted, that would be their call. I don't think anyone is arguing that a private league should not be able do that.
    Think again. Millions of sheep would argue precisely that point. Ridiculous as it is. That is where the canard of this being protected free speech comes from. People think that because you have the right to free speech, you shall suffer no consequences. Lol. 
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  • DoubleEgger
    DoubleEgger Posts: 19,170
    U_tarded said:
    thetrim said:
    Nice cut and paste there genius.  If the NFL prevents someone from twerking in the end zone, why isn't that protected free speech like blatantly disrespecting our Nation.  F the NFL. 
    From my understanding the NFL has rules against touchdown celebration.  
    Those rules were rescinded this year. 
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  • pgprescott
    pgprescott Posts: 14,544
    DoubleEgger said:
    U_tarded said:
    thetrim said:
    Nice cut and paste there genius.  If the NFL prevents someone from twerking in the end zone, why isn't that protected free speech like blatantly disrespecting our Nation.  F the NFL. 
    From my understanding the NFL has rules against touchdown celebration.  
    Those rules were rescinded this year. 
    Oh, not entirely. Again, half the story. 
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  • DMW
    DMW Posts: 13,836
    pgprescott said:
    DMW said:
    thetrim said:
    Nice cut and paste there genius.  If the NFL prevents someone from twerking in the end zone, why isn't that protected free speech like blatantly disrespecting our Nation.  F the NFL. 
    Oh, the NFL could fire everyone now if they wanted, that would be their call. I don't think anyone is arguing that a private league should not be able do that.
    Think again. Millions of sheep would argue precisely that point. Ridiculous as it is. That is where the canard of this being protected free speech comes from. People think that because you have the right to free speech, you shall suffer no consequences. Lol. 
    Actually, I was wrong, it would be up to the team owners to fire their players, which is what Trump suggested they do. And they chose not to.
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  • pgprescott
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    U_tarded said:
    thetrim said:
    Nice cut and paste there genius.  If the NFL prevents someone from twerking in the end zone, why isn't that protected free speech like blatantly disrespecting our Nation.  F the NFL. 
    From my understanding the NFL has rules against touchdown celebration.  They have nothing outlined for the national anthem and how to behave durning such.  It is a very structured league as far as rules go they haven't covered this area.  
    They have rules against ant behavior that is deemed detrimental to the league. Very broad and very frequently enforced. 
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  • thetrim
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    U_tarded said:
    thetrim said:
    Nice cut and paste there genius.  If the NFL prevents someone from twerking in the end zone, why isn't that protected free speech like blatantly disrespecting our Nation.  F the NFL. 
    From my understanding the NFL has rules against touchdown celebration.  They have nothing outlined for the national anthem and how to behave durning such.  It is a very structured league as far as rules go they haven't covered this area.  
    Umm, yeah they actually do.
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  • DoubleEgger
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  • U_tarded
    U_tarded Posts: 2,083
    edited September 2017
    thetrim said:
    U_tarded said:
    thetrim said:
    Nice cut and paste there genius.  If the NFL prevents someone from twerking in the end zone, why isn't that protected free speech like blatantly disrespecting our Nation.  F the NFL. 
    From my understanding the NFL has rules against touchdown celebration.  They have nothing outlined for the national anthem and how to behave durning such.  It is a very structured league as far as rules go they haven't covered this area.  
    Umm, yeah they actually do.
    That's why I said from my understanding.  Thanks for the thoughtful response.  


    Edit here here is all I can find somewhat of a grey area 

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.indystar.com/amp/699886001
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  • Dyal_SC
    Dyal_SC Posts: 6,536
    henapple said:
    Both sides are ignorant. Trump needs to stfu. Bigger problems. The protest aren't solving anything. Go give your money and time. 
    This. Thank you. 
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