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problem maintaining smoke

Ive had an XL Egg for a couple months now. I've noticed that when using the indirect heat with chunks of wood for smoke, I get really good smoke for the first 30 minutes or so and then the smoke is barely there.  The meat I've made up to this point has been good, but wondering if I'm missing out on more.  Seeing if anyone has any tips for getting smoke for longer durations through out the cook outside of taking everything out to get under the heat deflector to get into the coal bed to add fresh chunks.
-1 XL BGE
-1 Kamado Joe "Joe Jr"
-1 Traeger Scout 
-cast iron grate and pans
-pizza stone
-XL Adjustable Rig 2 Grid Combo from Ceramic Grill Store
-A-MAZE-N smoker pellet tray
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  • For low and slow cooks you can layer the wood chunks starting from the bottom up, also maker sure your wood isn't concentrated in the center or outskirts, make it even. When you start the fire make it in the center.


    Throughout every cook you are going to have some smokeless times unless you are strictly using wood. but this method has worked well for me.

    Blake.
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  • Hans61
    Hans61 Posts: 3,901
     I mix a couple handfuls of chips in with the lump in the center (it burns top down) then add a chunk or two toward the back on the edge of the fire -  doing this usually gives me 2+hrs of smoke which is plenty! 
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  • Carolina Q
    Carolina Q Posts: 14,831
    Try this, courtesy of stike, a long time egger.

    I hate it when I go to the kitchen for food and all I find are ingredients!                                                                                                                                                                                                                           

    Michael 
    Central Connecticut 

  • gdenby
    gdenby Posts: 6,239
    As mentioned, the first 30 min of smoke tends to be "bad" smoke. Water vapor, leftover VOCs from the charcoal making process and partially burning wood. The smoke from an Egg is mostly different than that from stick burners, which are burning wood, not charcoal. In a low and slow cook with a minimal airflow, the smoke wood cannot burn. It "pyrolizes" into more carbon and the aromatic compounds that make good flavor. As mentioned, it should be barely visible. So if the chips or chunks are mixed thru the lump, they will bake away into flavor compounds w/o hardly any sign.
  • ARoehr11
    ARoehr11 Posts: 41
    are you mixing the chunks in before getting the fire lit?
    -1 XL BGE
    -1 Kamado Joe "Joe Jr"
    -1 Traeger Scout 
    -cast iron grate and pans
    -pizza stone
    -XL Adjustable Rig 2 Grid Combo from Ceramic Grill Store
    -A-MAZE-N smoker pellet tray
    -Teken Wireless 4 Probe Thermometer
  • Hans61
    Hans61 Posts: 3,901
    ARoehr11 said:
    are you mixing the chunks in before getting the fire lit?
    Yes. And fwiw I think chips work better in the XL
    “There are three rules that I live by: never get less than twelve hours sleep; never play cards with a guy who has the same first name as a city; and never get involved with a woman with a tattoo of a dagger on her body.”
    Coach Finstock Teen Wolf
  • ARoehr11
    ARoehr11 Posts: 41
    cool thanks, I am doing a beef tenderloin for the future in laws this weekend and want to make sure I do it right
    -1 XL BGE
    -1 Kamado Joe "Joe Jr"
    -1 Traeger Scout 
    -cast iron grate and pans
    -pizza stone
    -XL Adjustable Rig 2 Grid Combo from Ceramic Grill Store
    -A-MAZE-N smoker pellet tray
    -Teken Wireless 4 Probe Thermometer
  • This is a real stupid question, pardon me, but you'r soaking the wood chunks first, right?
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  • Foghorn
    Foghorn Posts: 10,227
    ARoehr11 said:
    cool thanks, I am doing a beef tenderloin for the future in laws this weekend and want to make sure I do it right
    Be careful with that.  Don't go nuts.  You can definitely oversmoke a tenderloin.  I cooked one that tasted like an ashtray once.  

    XXL BGE, Karebecue, Klose BYC, Chargiller Akorn Kamado, Weber Smokey Mountain, Grand Turbo gasser, Weber Smoky Joe, and the wheelbarrow that my grandfather used to cook steaks from his cattle

    San Antonio, TX

  • lousubcap
    lousubcap Posts: 36,813
    Absolutely no need to soak any chips or chunks with the BGE (or any other smoker) as the amount of moisture penetration into the smoke wood and subsequent "smoke enhancement" is about zero.  Just load focused toward the back radiating out from the center as that is where the fire travels first.  The air-flow dynamics drive the fire direction.
    Louisville; Rolling smoke in the neighbourhood.  Life is too short for light/lite beer!  Seems I'm livin in a transitional period. CHEETO (aka Agent Orange) makes Nixon look like a saint.  
  • Rte1985
    Rte1985 Posts: 304
    This is a real stupid question, pardon me, but you'r soaking the wood chunks first, right?
    Some soak some do not.  I don't soak.  Somewhere I saw a study showing that soaking wood was almost pointless since the depth of moisture penetration in the wood from soaking was minimal.  That's just what I read though.  I mix chunks throughout the lump and sometimes my egg takes about an hour to get the good smoke.  At least get your egg to temp for 20-30 minutes to burn off some of the bad stuff
  • abpgwolf
    abpgwolf Posts: 564
    ARoehr11 said:
    cool thanks, I am doing a beef tenderloin for the future in laws this weekend and want to make sure I do it right

    I did Adam Perry Lang's Whole Beef Tenderloin with Honey and Worcestershire Crust for Christmas Dinner last year. The recipe is a bit complex but easy to follow and the results are Outstanding! It will definitely impress. 

    Like others have said, look for the thin blue (almost invisible) smoke that “smells good” and don’t add too much smoking wood for a beef tenderloin, you want a kiss of smoke that won’t overshadow the flavor of the beef. Good Luck!

    Lititz, PA – XL BGE

  • Rte1985
    Rte1985 Posts: 304
    I agree. A beef tenderloin will shine on its own.  Maybe a dab of pecan smoke if I were doing it.  Actually I might just use lump.  Good luck and let us know how it turns out! ( pics would be great too ;)
  • UncleBilly
    UncleBilly Posts: 225
    edited April 2017



    XL  Central Ohio
  • Hans61
    Hans61 Posts: 3,901
    lousubcap said:
    Absolutely no need to soak any chips or chunks with the BGE (or any other smoker) as the amount of moisture penetration into the smoke wood and subsequent "smoke enhancement" is about zero.  Just load focused toward the back radiating out from the center as that is where the fire travels first.  The air-flow dynamics drive the fire direction.
    Agreed ^ this dude knows his stuff! I don't smoke steaks or very little smoke with a beef roast. Maybe a little cherry would pair well with that 
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  • YukonRon
    YukonRon Posts: 17,261
    For centuries, boats were made from wood. There was a reason, and it was because wood did not absorb water very well. It has been my experience that true flavor smoke will come from the slow burning of the dry wood added to your lump. Soaking wood in water then burning it, usually provides an acrid aroma initially, and therefore an acrid smoke flavor initially as well, nothing like the flavor you would want when you select your wood for smoking.
    I think it is better to add more dry chunks for the heavier smoke flavor.
    As mentioned before on long L&S, disperse the wood throughout your lump. When I do something like a pork butt, and want a very smoky flavor profile, I will use 8-10 fist sized chunks of peach. Each wood will offer different strength, and experience will provide the number you need to make it perfect for your taste.
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    Louisville, Kentucky
  • Stormbringer
    Stormbringer Posts: 2,477
    Great thread, I was about to ask a similar question. I've been pre-soaking and tossing chips onto warm coals, ever since our very first LBGE cook nearly 18 months ago. I followed this method, since it was on the official BGE site, I assumed it was legit. The problem every time has been that the temp has dipped and needed encouragement to get back up, which meant opening the dome and smoke escaping.

    Also had no idea that the first 30 mins was bad smoke, this does explain why my warm smokes have had a generic smoke aroma rather than the actual flavour sensation I was looking for. I had achieved this using cold-smoking, so didn't understand why it wasn't working for warm smoking.

    So next time I'll mix the chips in with the lump. If I understand this correctly, the "bad smoke" will burn off leaving good smoke at about the same time that the Egg is at temperature.

    One question though, and the original one I was looking for when I found this thread. Does this approach work with small chips? I suspect that they will burn up, I was initially looking at "chips vs chunks" threads. If it doesn't work with small chips, I can get some larger ones. Planning on doing some low and slow pork with apple smoke this weekend.
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  • Ozzie_Isaac
    Ozzie_Isaac Posts: 21,681
    YukonRon said:
    For centuries, boats were made from wood. There was a reason, and it was because wood did not absorb water very well. It has been my experience that true flavor smoke will come from the slow burning of the dry wood added to your lump. Soaking wood in water then burning it, usually provides an acrid aroma initially, and therefore an acrid smoke flavor initially as well, nothing like the flavor you would want when you select your wood for smoking.
    I think it is better to add more dry chunks for the heavier smoke flavor.
    As mentioned before on long L&S, disperse the wood throughout your lump. When I do something like a pork butt, and want a very smoky flavor profile, I will use 8-10 fist sized chunks of peach. Each wood will offer different strength, and experience will provide the number you need to make it perfect for your taste.
    Witches are made of wood too.  For the same reason also, so they float.

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  • thetrim
    thetrim Posts: 11,387
    YukonRon said:
    For centuries, boats were made from wood. There was a reason, and it was because wood did not absorb water very well. It has been my experience that true flavor smoke will come from the slow burning of the dry wood added to your lump. Soaking wood in water then burning it, usually provides an acrid aroma initially, and therefore an acrid smoke flavor initially as well, nothing like the flavor you would want when you select your wood for smoking.
    I think it is better to add more dry chunks for the heavier smoke flavor.
    As mentioned before on long L&S, disperse the wood throughout your lump. When I do something like a pork butt, and want a very smoky flavor profile, I will use 8-10 fist sized chunks of peach. Each wood will offer different strength, and experience will provide the number you need to make it perfect for your taste.
    Witches are made of wood too.  For the same reason also, so they float.
    Very true.  They will, however, even after 30 minutes give your meat an acrid (almost gamey) smoke flavor if you try and smoke meat with them.
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  • Thomasc18
    Thomasc18 Posts: 197
    I have a med egg. Should I go with chunks or chips?  I've been using chunks. Not sure if it matters
    Madison, AL
  • Teefus
    Teefus Posts: 1,260
    I have a LBGE and always use chunks. I get bags of pecan chunks at Wally World. They range in size from golf ball to tennis ball. I don't add them until my coals are hot and all the bad smoke has stopped. That said, the amount of visible smoke I get on a Low and Slow is practically nil. You don't need to see it for it to add flavor.
    Michiana, South of the border.
  • I used to soak till i read a really good article on why it doesnt matter. Havent soaked since and i havent noticed a bit of difference. 
    Franklin, Tn
    LBGE - Cast Iron Grate - Flameboss 300 - BGEtisserie

  • lousubcap
    lousubcap Posts: 36,813
    Regarding chips or chunks, I have not determined any difference.  I used to use Jack Daniels chips, then found some JD chunks so switched.  Can't find the chunks anymore so back to chips.  As long as I load where the fire will likely travel all is well.  FWIW-
    Louisville; Rolling smoke in the neighbourhood.  Life is too short for light/lite beer!  Seems I'm livin in a transitional period. CHEETO (aka Agent Orange) makes Nixon look like a saint.  
  • Theophan
    Theophan Posts: 2,656
    Thomasc18 said:
    I have a med egg. Should I go with chunks or chips?  I've been using chunks. Not sure if it matters
    Different people seem to have different experiences.  Many people swear by scattering chips throughout the lump.  For myself (and I have a Medium and a Large), I get better results with chunks.
  • Try this, courtesy of stike, a long time egger.

    This is exactly what i do with my chunks and i always add a few on the top edges to get some late smoke on my long brisket cooks. 
    Franklin, Tn
    LBGE - Cast Iron Grate - Flameboss 300 - BGEtisserie

  • six_egg
    six_egg Posts: 1,112
    I have been reading Meatheads BBQ book. I know old news to most here. I think he says soaking chips is not a good idea. If your looking for smoke flavor put meat on grill while it is cold. If it is a low and slow Spritzing your meat will add more smoke flavor to your meat. Great Book BTW. 

    XLBGE, LBGE 

    Fernandina Beach, FL

  • td66snrf
    td66snrf Posts: 1,838
    IMHO I feel you get plenty of smoke from the lump. Usually people don't complain about not enough smoke but too much. 
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  • minniemoh
    minniemoh Posts: 2,145
    td66snrf said:
    IMHO I feel you get plenty of smoke from the lump. Usually people don't complain about not enough smoke but too much. 
    This can be true but there are differences. Some brands of lump create a smokier flavor than others in my experience. I like to use Rockwood as it is very smoke neutral, meaning I can add chips or chunks to dial in the level of smoke flavor.
    L x2, M, S, Mini and a Blackstone 36. She says I have enough now....
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