BigWader said:

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bigalsworth said:

I wish costco had the KJ road show in Canada.

Look at Lowes.  Price is about $550 Cdn.  Lots of times they have 10-15% off sales on everything in store and with the exchange on $399 USD and state sales tax you are probably about even without the drive plus get Canadian KJ warranty support...

acmoser76 said:

Crap. Just checked the Costco special events schedule. There's a KJ roadshow starting today at one of the Costco's I frequent. This may end badly...

HeavyG said:

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acmoser76 said:

Crap. Just checked the Costco special events schedule. There's a KJ roadshow starting today at one of the Costco's I frequent. This may end badly...

Or end very well.  Glass half full, my friend. 

Really...always look on the bright side of life...

https://youtu.be/WlBiLNN1NhQ

acmoser76 said:

Crap. Just checked the Costco special events schedule. There's a KJ roadshow starting today at one of the Costco's I frequent. This may end badly...

bigbadben said:

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yljkt said:

Didn't the owner and founder of KJ work for BGE? Bobby Brennan I think is his name? Guy who started Primo worked there too. These guys jump ship in a BIG way lmao!! 

Nope. Bobby never worked for BGE. He owned several and saw an opportunity...

pgprescott said:

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Darby_Crenshaw said:

I continually am amazed at how BGE never trademarked any of the design elements. I am not talking about patents. I simply mean trademark design (visual) elements

That thing is a red BGE. Same dimple pattern, profile, bevel at the bands, lower vent...

crazy

Could they have even done that?

The BGE and other similar kamados are almost literal copies of kamados that existed for decades before BGE came into being.

Of course the basic design of kamados is much older but BGE literally copied kamados that were being sold in Japan to US military folks after WWII.

My dad was in the USN for 30+ years and we lived in Japan for 4 years in the 1960s. We had a "green egg" while living there and my dad bought two brand new ones to ship back to the US when he got orders stateside.

The only thing I recall being noticeably different was the surface texture. The surface texture of the KJ is possibly different enough from the BGE rounder dimples to avoid such potential concerns. Perhaps.

The kamado itself is one thing. I'm talking about the design elements that contribute to the appearance

the dimples are nothing more than an awsthetic design decision. They are not a part of the process like they were when clay 'slip' was slapped on the earthenware pieces originally. That element is as old as the ceramics (or earthenware, i guess) making process. 

But the things are molded these days, in one piece. And the dimple pattern has changed over the years. It's purely aesthetic. And since they (BGE) came up with the dimple as a visual 'mark', they should have been able to trade mark it. 

Same for the bevel of the dome as it meets the band. ...and maybe some other aspects. 

I mean, grill done doesn't make them in green, right?

other kamados don't infringe (like the bubba leg for example) because they are so different

general kamado shape and fundamental elements wouldn't be trademarked. But non critical appearance related design elements and identifying marks, sure


A car company can't trademark having four wheels and a hood ornament. But they can trademark the design of their hood ornament (badge) and other elements which ID their brand 

Just seems odd. 

Obviously someone has done their homework though. Because a blatant ripoff wouldn't last long unless there was a loophole

i agree, can't trademark a kamado soecifically. But the appearance of it, brand-signifying stuff, shoulda been able to i'd think

I'm not so sure about the dimples. I believe them to be part of the structural integrity of the egg. Might want to research further. I'm not 100% sure, but I have a pretty good hunch. Like dimples on a golf ball, only for different reasons. 

Darby_Crenshaw said:

I continually am amazed at how BGE never trademarked any of the design elements. I am not talking about patents. I simply mean trademark design (visual) elements

That thing is a red BGE. Same dimple pattern, profile, bevel at the bands, lower vent...

crazy

pgprescott said:

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HeavyG said:

pgprescott said:

Darby_Crenshaw said:

HeavyG said:

Darby_Crenshaw said:

I continually am amazed at how BGE never trademarked any of the design elements. I am not talking about patents. I simply mean trademark design (visual) elements

That thing is a red BGE. Same dimple pattern, profile, bevel at the bands, lower vent...

crazy

Could they have even done that?

The BGE and other similar kamados are almost literal copies of kamados that existed for decades before BGE came into being.

Of course the basic design of kamados is much older but BGE literally copied kamados that were being sold in Japan to US military folks after WWII.

My dad was in the USN for 30+ years and we lived in Japan for 4 years in the 1960s. We had a "green egg" while living there and my dad bought two brand new ones to ship back to the US when he got orders stateside.

The only thing I recall being noticeably different was the surface texture. The surface texture of the KJ is possibly different enough from the BGE rounder dimples to avoid such potential concerns. Perhaps.

The kamado itself is one thing. I'm talking about the design elements that contribute to the appearance

the dimples are nothing more than an awsthetic design decision. They are not a part of the process like they were when clay 'slip' was slapped on the earthenware pieces originally. That element is as old as the ceramics (or earthenware, i guess) making process. 

But the things are molded these days, in one piece. And the dimple pattern has changed over the years. It's purely aesthetic. And since they (BGE) came up with the dimple as a visual 'mark', they should have been able to trade mark it. 

Same for the bevel of the dome as it meets the band. ...and maybe some other aspects. 

I mean, grill done doesn't make them in green, right?

other kamados don't infringe (like the bubba leg for example) because they are so different

general kamado shape and fundamental elements wouldn't be trademarked. But non critical appearance related design elements and identifying marks, sure


A car company can't trademark having four wheels and a hood ornament. But they can trademark the design of their hood ornament (badge) and other elements which ID their brand 

Just seems odd. 

Obviously someone has done their homework though. Because a blatant ripoff wouldn't last long unless there was a loophole

i agree, can't trademark a kamado soecifically. But the appearance of it, brand-signifying stuff, shoulda been able to i'd think

I'm not so sure about the dimples. I believe them to be part of the structural integrity of the egg. Might want to research further. I'm not 100% sure, but I have a pretty good hunch. Like dimples on a golf ball, only for different reasons. 

I think the chances of the dimples being a necessary structural feature are pretty close to nil. Neither Primo or Grill Dome kamados have dimples or dimple like impressions in the surface of their moldings. Primos are made in a factory that used to make toilets. I've never seen dimpled toilets and I'm guessing Primo thought if toilets didn't have dimples why should their kamados eh?.

You might be right. But why just put dimples in them? For looks? Seems odd to me.  The primo surface seems to get increasingly rougher, or not smooth if you will. I would think that the dimples could help.  

So what you are saying is I'm stupid, because some Kamados don't have dimples and neither do toilets? 

pgprescott said:

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HeavyG said:

pgprescott said:

Darby_Crenshaw said:

HeavyG said:

Darby_Crenshaw said:

I continually am amazed at how BGE never trademarked any of the design elements. I am not talking about patents. I simply mean trademark design (visual) elements

That thing is a red BGE. Same dimple pattern, profile, bevel at the bands, lower vent...

crazy

Could they have even done that?

The BGE and other similar kamados are almost literal copies of kamados that existed for decades before BGE came into being.

Of course the basic design of kamados is much older but BGE literally copied kamados that were being sold in Japan to US military folks after WWII.

My dad was in the USN for 30+ years and we lived in Japan for 4 years in the 1960s. We had a "green egg" while living there and my dad bought two brand new ones to ship back to the US when he got orders stateside.

The only thing I recall being noticeably different was the surface texture. The surface texture of the KJ is possibly different enough from the BGE rounder dimples to avoid such potential concerns. Perhaps.

The kamado itself is one thing. I'm talking about the design elements that contribute to the appearance

the dimples are nothing more than an awsthetic design decision. They are not a part of the process like they were when clay 'slip' was slapped on the earthenware pieces originally. That element is as old as the ceramics (or earthenware, i guess) making process. 

But the things are molded these days, in one piece. And the dimple pattern has changed over the years. It's purely aesthetic. And since they (BGE) came up with the dimple as a visual 'mark', they should have been able to trade mark it. 

Same for the bevel of the dome as it meets the band. ...and maybe some other aspects. 

I mean, grill done doesn't make them in green, right?

other kamados don't infringe (like the bubba leg for example) because they are so different

general kamado shape and fundamental elements wouldn't be trademarked. But non critical appearance related design elements and identifying marks, sure


A car company can't trademark having four wheels and a hood ornament. But they can trademark the design of their hood ornament (badge) and other elements which ID their brand 

Just seems odd. 

Obviously someone has done their homework though. Because a blatant ripoff wouldn't last long unless there was a loophole

i agree, can't trademark a kamado soecifically. But the appearance of it, brand-signifying stuff, shoulda been able to i'd think

I'm not so sure about the dimples. I believe them to be part of the structural integrity of the egg. Might want to research further. I'm not 100% sure, but I have a pretty good hunch. Like dimples on a golf ball, only for different reasons. 

I think the chances of the dimples being a necessary structural feature are pretty close to nil. Neither Primo or Grill Dome kamados have dimples or dimple like impressions in the surface of their moldings. Primos are made in a factory that used to make toilets. I've never seen dimpled toilets and I'm guessing Primo thought if toilets didn't have dimples why should their kamados eh?.

You might be right. But why just put dimples in them? For looks? Seems odd to me.  The primo surface seems to get increasingly rougher, or not smooth if you will. I would think that the dimples could help.  

So what you are saying is I'm stupid, because some Kamados don't have dimples and neither do toilets?