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Out of Mustard

Doc_Eggerton
Doc_Eggerton Posts: 5,321
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I am doing two brisket points tomorrow.  I normally slather them in mustard and then rub, but I am out of mustard and not going to make it to the store.  I have lots of ketchup, anything wrong with using that as a binder?  Seems to me that the binder disappears, but tomato is not a bad flavor to have lingering a bit anyway.  I also have a bunch of Sweet Baby Ray's but I think that might introduce more sweetness than I want. 

Opinions please.

Will post the cook tomorrow.

XXL #82 out of the first 100, XLGE X 2, LBGE (gave this one to daughter 1.0) , MBGE (now in the hands of iloveagoodyoke daughter 2.0) and lots of toys

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  • LRW
    LRW Posts: 198
    edited March 2016
    Never used ketchup. I use olive oil. Works great
    Volant, PA 1 LBGE ,Smokeware Cap, igrill2
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  • dougcrann
    dougcrann Posts: 1,129
    Olive oil here as well... 
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  • blasting
    blasting Posts: 6,262
    I use olive oil interchangeably with mustard for butts.  With brisket, I don't use a binder.  Not sure why, but I've never had a problem with the SPG not sticking.
    Phoenix 
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  • ar15203
    ar15203 Posts: 86
    I tired hot sauce the other day on a brisket and it was great
    XLBGE, Egging in NH
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  • SmokeyPitt
    SmokeyPitt Posts: 10,490
    IMO, the rub will stick fine with no binder.  There is typically plenty of moisture on the meat.  If I was going to use a binder I would use worcestershire sauce or perhaps some oil.  I would be concerned that ketchup or sweet baby rays might burn during a long cook.  

    Which came first the chicken or the egg?  I egged the chicken and then I ate his leg. 

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  • DoubleEgger
    DoubleEgger Posts: 19,499
    I'd just put your rub on and rock and roll. 
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  • luckyboy
    luckyboy Posts: 284
    Speaking of being out of mustard, the Costco here in charleston quit selling it. Has anyone noticed this?
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  • Doc_Eggerton
    Doc_Eggerton Posts: 5,321
    SmokeyPitt said:
    IMO, the rub will stick fine with no binder.  There is typically plenty of moisture on the meat.  If I was going to use a binder I would use worcestershire sauce or perhaps some oil.  I would be concerned that ketchup or sweet baby rays might burn during a long cook.  
    Didn't think about burning.  The mustard does not.  I may give the ketchup a shot, but skip the high sugar Ray's.  I use the coffee finish method, so any burned bark will melt.

    XXL #82 out of the first 100, XLGE X 2, LBGE (gave this one to daughter 1.0) , MBGE (now in the hands of iloveagoodyoke daughter 2.0) and lots of toys

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  • Carolina Q
    Carolina Q Posts: 14,831
    I have never used anything and the rub sticks quite well. As for ketchup... that sounds even worse than mustard!!! Much worse, actually. Plus it has a ton of sugar. Water would work, as would oil - though like mustard, they are completely unnecessary.

    Mustard is for hot dogs. Ketchup is for fries. That's about it. =)

    I hate it when I go to the kitchen for food and all I find are ingredients!                                                                                                                                                                                                                           

    Michael 
    Central Connecticut 

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  • SmokeyPitt
    SmokeyPitt Posts: 10,490
    Yes it is a matter of personal taste, but hot ketchup and the ketchup residue left behind just doesn't sound appetizing to me.  You know that dried stuff around the top of the ketchup cap?  I picture that all over the finished briskey :) 

    Which came first the chicken or the egg?  I egged the chicken and then I ate his leg. 

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  • Doc_Eggerton
    Doc_Eggerton Posts: 5,321
    Carolina Q said:
    I have never used anything and the rub sticks quite well. As for ketchup... that sounds even worse than mustard!!! Much worse, actually. Plus it has a ton of sugar. Water would work, as would oil - though like mustard, they are completely unnecessary.

    Mustard is for hot dogs. Ketchup is for fries. That's about it. =)
    LOL, I use mustard for pulled pork and brisket, doesn't affect the flavor at all and holds the rub well.  My schedule changed a little so I won't start the cook until a little later, so a trip to the store will happen in the morning.



    XXL #82 out of the first 100, XLGE X 2, LBGE (gave this one to daughter 1.0) , MBGE (now in the hands of iloveagoodyoke daughter 2.0) and lots of toys

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  • bhedges1987
    bhedges1987 Posts: 3,201
    Half mustard half pickle juice. The secret of champions!  

    But you don't need anything honestly. 

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  • Dobie
    Dobie Posts: 3,458
    I brush with oil on anything I want to add some seasoning sticktion. Chicken,beef, pork, turkey, veggies works on everything and cheap. Save my mustard for hot dogs. 
    Jacksonville FL
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  • lwrehm
    lwrehm Posts: 381
    bare brisket + black pepper + kosher salt + low heat + smoke = delicious!

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  • Doc_Eggerton
    Doc_Eggerton Posts: 5,321
    http://eggheadforum.com/discussion/1190570/fast-brisket#latest

    XXL #82 out of the first 100, XLGE X 2, LBGE (gave this one to daughter 1.0) , MBGE (now in the hands of iloveagoodyoke daughter 2.0) and lots of toys

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  • NPHuskerFL
    NPHuskerFL Posts: 17,629
    Go naked
    LBGE 2013 & MM 2014
    Die Hard HUSKER & BRONCO FAN
    Flying Low & Slow in "Da Burg" FL
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  • dougcrann
    dougcrann Posts: 1,129
    KY...it is water soluble 
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  • Mattman3969
    Mattman3969 Posts: 10,458
    Hey Doc I've gone to straight up water as a rub binder.  Wet the meat first the sprinkle a lil more water if you want to add more rub.  

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  • DMW
    DMW Posts: 13,836
    If the meat is damp, no need for a binder. I've used Worcestershire sauce with good results if the meat is dry and you need something to dampen the surface.
    They/Them
    Morgantown, PA

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  • NPHuskerFL
    NPHuskerFL Posts: 17,629
    Anything wet and moist will due :wink: 
    LBGE 2013 & MM 2014
    Die Hard HUSKER & BRONCO FAN
    Flying Low & Slow in "Da Burg" FL
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  • Botch
    Botch Posts: 17,715
    I've always put the rub directly on the meat.
     
    If you need a binder, I'd try mayo before ketchup.  (mayo on the outside of a grilled cheese becomes a good, crunchy, brown coating that tastes nothing like mayo, just as mustard doesn't)

    The average life expectancy of a (russian) soldier on the (Ukranian) front line during an assault is 20-35 minutes.  

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  • annjamaican
    annjamaican Posts: 152
    Doc_Eggerton said:
    I am doing two brisket points tomorrow.  I normally slather them in mustard and then rub, but I am out of mustard and not going to make it to the store.  I have lots of ketchup, anything wrong with using that as a binder?  Seems to me that the binder disappears, but tomato is not a bad flavor to have lingering a bit anyway.  I also have a bunch of Sweet Baby Ray's but I think that might introduce more sweetness than I want. 

    Opinions please.

    Will post the cook tomorrow.
    Had I seen this earlier, I would've recommended Amazon one-day shipping. :P
    - Jamaican living in rural Western Washington
    - Got my first egg (XL) in October 2015
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  • lousubcap
    lousubcap Posts: 37,834
    I'm with @DMW re: using worcestershire in lieu of the mustard.  Given you have two to cook, I would go with the worcestershire on one and nekked with the other.  I'm sure you won't be able to tell the difference.
    Louisville; Rolling smoke in the neighbourhood.  Life is too short for light/lite beer!  Seems I'm livin in a transitional period. CHEETO (aka Agent Orange) makes Nixon look like a saint.  
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  • bgebrent
    bgebrent Posts: 19,636
    #third world problem brother  ;). Mustard is irrelevant.  Rub directly and enjoy your cook.
    Sandy Springs & Dawsonville Ga
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  • Lit
    Lit Posts: 9,053
    Didn't read it but I use mayo on chuck roasts for pulled beef all the time. 
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  • theyolksonyou
    theyolksonyou Posts: 18,459
    I use mayo on my pulled meat. 
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  • Phatchris
    Phatchris Posts: 1,726
    Mayo on ribs works
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  • Legume
    Legume Posts: 15,938
    It puts the mayo on the brisket or else it gets the hose again.
    THANK YOU FOR YOUR ATTENTION TO THIS MATTER
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  • Rascal
    Rascal Posts: 3,923
    A While back I did 2 butts, side by side, one slathered with mustard, and rubbed, the other sans the mustard.  Absolutely no difference in taste or texture between the two!!~~
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  • ChokeOnSmoke
    ChokeOnSmoke Posts: 1,942
    I always use worcestershire or nothing if I run out.
    Packerland, Wisconsin

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